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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:44 AM
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David Swanson: Pelosi Says She Would Impeach Bush If Somebody Knew Of A Crime He'd Committed - List
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Pelosi Says She Would Impeach Bush If Somebody Knew of a Crime He'd Committed

Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2008-07-29 01:00. Activism Congress Impeachment

Pelosi told "The View" today that she'd impeach Bush if anybody knew of a crime he'd committed. Here's a list of crimes (PDF) drawn up by Conyers 2.5 years ago. Could a few thousand people fax it to her please?
Fax: 202-225-8259, Phone: 202-225-0100, Email: sf.nancy@mail.house.gov

Could someone also deliver it to her at her appearance with Politics and Prose bookstore of Washington, D.C., on Saturday, August 2 at 3 p.m. at Friendship Heights Village Center, 4433 S. Park Avenue, Chevy Chase, Maryland. (There is no cost for this event. Please sign up in advance by calling the Village Center at 301-656-2797.)

Bush has repeatedly instructed current and former staffers to refuse to comply with subpoenas and contempt citations.

Bush has violated numerous laws and claimed the right to do so in signing statements, as documented by the Government Accountability Office.

To watch a video of Bush admitting to violating FISA (thereby committing numerous felonies) go to the White House website here, and watch the December 19, 2005, press conference. You'll notice that Bush claims he began these crimes after September 11, 2001, which is not true; he began them earlier. You'll notice that Bush claims to have legal justification for violating the law, but those claims have completely collapsed. He also claims the spying is limited in ways that it is not. And when asked why he didn't try to change the law rather than violating it, he said he just doesn't have to because he's the president.

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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:55 AM
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1. Ignore Vincent Bugliosi?
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:58 AM
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2. She's a one-person batallion in the mindwar, isn't she? nt
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:06 AM
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3. History will be very unkind to everyone in this ear of American politics.
It is up to our politicians to redeem themselves by doing the right thing.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:47 AM
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4. What a smart and witty smack-down of Impeachment advocates.
She sounds just like a republicon.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:33 AM
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20. my thoughts exactly -- was the Disaster Nancy or the rye smile of Lieberman?
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:27 PM
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64. The "rye' smile of Lieberman? Guess he had rye bread for lunch and some seeds are still
stuck in his teeth.

But he is a disaster, anyway you look at it!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:56 AM
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5. k&r
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:58 AM
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6. Yes, all healthy and lawful governments have a Torture Team
Everyone knows that.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:04 AM
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7. Pelosi knows all the Crimes Busholini has committed.
She was complicit in them.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:13 AM
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13. and this part from the interview
Just after the exchange about Bush having committed no crimes.

Walters: When, when we first... when I interviewed you last year, you had just begun, and you were going to clean up the mess, remember? ("the mess" being Bush's mess)

Pelosi: We did.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:59 PM
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93. SHE SAID THAT???????
unnnnnnnbelievable!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 09:00 AM
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124. The video link is in post number 8 - by orleans
She said it.



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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:54 PM
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97. "clean up the mess"
"Pelosi: We did."

Well she sure have cleaned the table thoroughly.

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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:38 PM
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109. "The Blind Leading The Testicularly Impaired". n/t
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:09 AM
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115. Pelosi is a lying sack of shit and a disgrace to the Office of Speaker.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:31 AM
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8. i just saw this and posted this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=162744&mesg_id=162744

she has gone beyond pissing me off--she makes me SICK

She is a fucking puke! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:46 AM
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9. how can i copy that pdf so i can put some of it here in a post?
(or can you do it?)
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:01 AM
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17. TEXT OF THE PDF FROM ORIGINAL LINK:
SUMMARY

This Minority Report has been produced at the direction of Representative John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee. The Report is divided into two principal parts - Part I, released in draft form in December, 2005, concerns “The Downing Street Minutes and Deception Manipulation, Torture, Retribution, and Cover-ups in the Iraq War; ”and Part II, released in June 2006, concerns “Unlawful Domestic Surveillance and Related Civil Liberties Abuses under the Administration of George W. Bush. ” (At the conclusion, we include an Addendum including additional matters which have come to light since Part I of the Report was issued in December, 2005 and Part II was written in May, 2006).

In preparing this Report we reviewed tens of thousands of documents and materials, including testimony submitted at two hearings held by Rep. Conyers concerning the Downing Street Minutes and warrantless domestic surveillance; hundreds of media reports, articles, and books, including interviews with past and present Administration employees and other confidential sources; scores of
government and non-profit reports, hearings, and analyses; numerous letters and materials submitted to Rep. Conyers; staff interviews; relevant laws, cases, regulations, and administrative guidelines; and the Administration’s own words and statements.

In brief, we have found that there is substantial evidence the President, the Vice-President and other high ranking members of the Bush Administration misled Congress and the American people regarding the decision to go to war in Iraq; misstated and manipulated intelligence information regarding the justification for such war; countenanced torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment in Iraq; permitted inappropriate retaliation against critics of their Administration; and approved domestic surveillance that is both illegal and unconstitutional. As further detailed in the Report, there is evidence that these actions violate a number of
federal laws, including:

- Making False Statements to Congress, for example, saying you have learned Iraq is attempting to buy uranium from Niger, when you have been warned by the CIA that this is not the case.

- The War Powers Resolution and Misuse of Government Funds, for example, redeploying troops and initiating bombing raids before receiving congressional authorization.

- Federal laws and international treaties prohibiting torture and cruel, inhuman, and
degrading treatment, for example, ordering detainees to be ghosted and removed,
and tolerating and laying the legal ground work for their torture and mistreatment.

- Federal laws concerning retaliating against witnesses and other individuals, for example, demoting Bunnatine Greenhouse, the chief contracting officer at the Army Corps of Engineers, because she exposed contracting abuses involving Halliburton.

- Federal requirements concerning leaking and other misuse of intelligence, for example, failing to enforce the executive order requiring disciplining those who leak classified information, whether intentional or not.

- Federal regulations and ethical requirements governing conflicts of interest, for example, then Attorney General John Aschcroft ’s being personally briefed on FBI interviews concerning possible misconduct by Karl Rove even though Mr. Rove had previously received nearly $750,000 in fees for political work on Mr. Ashcroft ’s campaigns.

- The National Security Act, for example, failing to keep all Members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees “fully and currently informed ” of intelligence activities, such as the warrantless surveillance programs.

- Violating FISA and the Fourth Amendment, for example intercepting thousands of communications “to or from any person within the United States, ” without obtaining a warrant.

- The Stored Communications Act of 1986 and the Communications Act of 1934, for example, obtaining millions of U.S. customer telephone records without obtaining a subpoena or warrant, without customer consent, and outside of any applicable “emergency exceptions."

With regard to the NSA’s domestic surveillance programs, we have also found that members of the Bush Administration made a number of misleading statements regarding its operation and scope; the legal justifications proffered by the Bush Administration are constitutionally destabilizing; there is little evidence the programs have been beneficial in combating terrorism and may have affirmatively placed terrorism prosecutions at risk; and the programs appear to have designed and implemented in a manner designed to stifle legitimate concerns.

The Report rejects the frequent contention by the Bush Administration that their pre-war conduct has been reviewed and they have been exonerated. No entity has ever considered whether the Administration misled Americans about the decision to go to war. The Senate Intelligence Committee has not yet conducted a review of pre-war intelligence distortion and manipulation, while the presidentially appointed Silberman-Robb Commission Report specifically cautioned that intelligence manipulation “was not part of our inquiry. ”There has also not been any independent inquiry concerning torture and other legal violations in Iraq; nor has there been an independent review of the pattern of cover-ups and political retribution by the Bush Administration against its critics, other than the very narrow and still ongoing inquiry of Special Counsel Fitzgerald into the outing of Valerie Plame.

There also has been no independent review of the circumstances surrounding the Bush Administration’s domestic spying scandals. The Administration summarily rejected all requests for special counsels, as well as reviews by the Department of Justice and Department of Defense Inspector Generals. When the DOJ Office of Professional Responsibility opened an investigation, the Bush Administration
effectively squashed it by denying the investigators security clearances. Neither the House nor Senate Intelligence Committee have undertaken any sort of comprehensive investigation, and the Bush Administration has sought to cut off any court review of the NSA programs by repeatedly invoking the state secrets doctrine.

As a result of our findings, we have made a number of recommendations to help prevent the recurrence of these events in the future, including:

- obtaining enhanced investigatory authority to access documentary information and testimony regarding the various allegations set forth in this Report.

- reaffirming that FISA and the criminal code contain the exclusive means for conducting domestic warrantless surveillance and, to the extent that more

personnel are needed to process FISA requests, increasing available resources.

- requiring the President to report on the pardon of any former or current officials who could implicate the President or other Administration officials implicated by pending investigations.

- requiring the President to notify Congress upon the declassification of intelligence information.

- providing for enhanced protection for national security whistle-blowers.

- strengthening the authority of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board.

We also make a number of additional recommendations within the jurisdiction of the House Judiciary Committee to help respond to the ongoing threat of terrorism, including:

- increasing funding and resources for local law enforcement and first responders and insuring that anti-terrorism funds are distributed based on risk, not politics.

- implementing the 9-11 Commission Recommendations, including providing for enhanced port, infrastructure, and chemical plant security and ensuring that all loose nuclear materials are secured.

- banning corporate trade with state sponsors of terrorism and eliminating sovereign immunity protections for state sponsors of terrorism.

- enhancing laws against wartime fraud.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:32 PM
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51. Thanks, but ...
... is that long list of "crimes" as harmful to America as the stain on Monica's dress?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:38 PM
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58. thank you! n/t
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:53 PM
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68. Thanks Hissyspit!
Copied and pasted into Word doc for easy reference.

I can't keep all of these in my head when I need them.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:26 PM
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73. Nice free fax service
https://faxzero.com/

The PDF's are a little to long to be allowed, but copying the above into their text box works fine.

There's an ad on the cover page, but I figure Pelosi's staffers can tolerate it.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:50 AM
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10. Joy Behar asked her the question and I literally applauded her but so disappointed that she didn't
follow-up.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:53 AM
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47. Bawbwa made sure that didn't happen by breaking in and promoting Nancy's book. n/t
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:01 AM
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11. Our Comedians Defend The Constitution -- Madame Squeaker Defends War Criminals
At least this strategeric "charm offensive" means that we're making them nervous.

Keep Talking Impeachment Everyone.

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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:05 AM
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12. kr
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:22 AM
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14. I had ro walk out of the room last nighr when she came on The Daily Show.
That vacant grin says it all.

What is it? loads of Prozac?
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:22 AM
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15. she really said that?
Error: You've already recommended that thread.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:25 AM
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18. VIDEO HERE:
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:27 AM
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24. thank you hissyspit
i couldn't watch it - talk shows in general and pelosi in particular. i'll take your word for it.

i often wonder how these people get to sleep at night, knowing the deaths and the suffering they've caused. with pelosi, she is in the position to start the process of restoring a democracy, and she refuses. and writes a book while holding a supposedly full time job. isn't that special.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:15 AM
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36. It's easy for her to say that when MSM keeps America in the dark.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:25 AM
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16. K&R
Like Bush/Cheney said..."Appeaser"

Like I said...Collaborator.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:26 AM
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19. She said with fingers in her ears.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:49 AM
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21. I will fax AND greet her at politics and prose.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:30 AM
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25. please post afterward
with your experience.

so i take it this tool is on the book circuit selling her book when the country is in such a bad way?! am i getting this correctly?
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:39 AM
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27. Yes, she was pimping her book on "The View" yesterday.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:54 AM
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22. If Pelosi isn't aware of any Bush crimes, it's only because she has her head
in the sand (or up her ass), her fingers in her ears, and is chanting "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" repeatedly.

Give me a fucking break, Nancy. Why don't you ask Dennis Kucinich to provide you with evidence of Bush and Cheney crimes? I'm sure he'd be happy to oblige.

What a waste of good air. Pelosi is CROOKED, probably just as bad as Bush. SHE NEEDS TO GO.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:23 PM
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86. She is not the only one
There are over 400 members of the house of Representatives. Have we heard any hew and cry from 250 or so of these people calling for impeachment. No.
A few have called for it but the remainder are a silent as stones. Do they not think crimes have been committed. Where are these people. If they would get off of their fat lazy asses, they could force the issue with the Speaker. If she did not respond, they have the power to oust her from the Speakers position.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:58 AM
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23. Sandra Day O'Connor's doppelganger. And she'll enjoy the same reputation.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:34 AM
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26. Maybe Nancy should have attended the hearings Friday
I hate that woman. I hope she is finally run out of office next election cycle.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:42 AM
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28. god help us
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:42 AM
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29. So perjury about a personal private matter is an impeachable offense,
but outright lying to involve the U.S. in an illegal war isn't? The little pissant would lie his a$$ to a grand jury if it were even possible to get him under oath. That won't happen. And saying that impeachment is off the table only serves to embolden these lying thugs.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:51 AM
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30. Note The Word "Crime"
Yes...this regime is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt of a myriad of political crimes that demand investigation and impeachment. But note the word "crimes" a little closer.

To date, there's no direct link between boooshie and any CRIMINAL activities that could lead to a CRIMINAL proceeding...such as being named an unidicted co-conspirator or charged with perjury for lying about what "is is". The closest direct evidence I can think of is Cheney's notes in the Plame case...a smoking gun that shows he could have ordered her outing, but with Scooter pardoned, and the "sand in the umpire's eyes" through executive privildge and even a shell game of trying to say the OVP is not in the Executive, getting that direct evidence at this time is nearly impossible. Again...look at the word crime in a criminal sense, not a political one.

I'm certain in the future a lot of the dirty secrets of this regime will come out. There will be a ton of books that will be written...especially if the GOOP loses the White House and with it will start to flow the evidence...yes for a price. We've seen it with McCleland...and I suspect that the post-boooshie years will be a long string of buck passers and flame throwers who will help unravel the real smoking guns.

Also...this job belongs to an independent prosecutor...one outside of political pressure and able to freely subpoena and compell testimony. Right now any attempt to push this through Congress will be met with the biggest stonewall in the Senate...there's no way to get even the 60 votes for cloture...at least for now. But with a larger Democratic majority and a Democratic executive, those numbers will change fast and THEN we should be adamant to demand REAL inquiries...not expecting politicians to do the work of real prosecutors. In the end, we need a full accounting and not just from two figureheads, but to bust this entire syndicate...prosecute the Monica Goodlings and then move up the chain from there. Eventually a smoking gun will show...and one that could lead to war trials in the Hague.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 10:20 AM
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41. Independent investigation, full accounting, war trials in The Hague.
Music to my ears.

Impeachment would have been so appropriate and necessary to heal the nation. However, I can settle for war trials in The Hague.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:24 PM
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50. Elizabeth Holtzman said that impeachment uses a different standard
When they were being schooled in preparation for the Nixon impeachment, they were told that criminal activity was not required. The case for impeachment fell to more of the abuse of power category.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:05 PM
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53. Impeachment Is Political
In essence you can impeach for any reason you care to. Don't like his hair? Don't like his friends? There doesn't need to be any real justification...and we saw with the Clinton Inquisition that the bar isn't too high either.

Again...the term "crimes" was used and that's what I was addressing. While criminal charges aren't required, they sure go a long way in turning an impeachment from a political/partisan show into something far more serious. As we saw last Friday (and I was surprised to see so many GOOPers there), they called the proceeding "political" and thus brushed away all serious charges. Put a criminal indictment or conviction to the charges and then you have a different situation.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:13 AM
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31. To pretend there is some question as to whether bush has
committed impeachable offenses is to lie to the American people without blinking or conscience.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:31 AM
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38. From today's perspective, it certainly is. Life in a bubble??
How can one not know about Bush's crimes at this point?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:22 AM
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32. what about the 35 articles of impeachment that Dennis
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 08:28 AM by alyce douglas
introduced, oh, this woman is really delusional she is only protecting herself.

I would be happy to fax the information to her, to bring her back to reality. So stupid and so shameful, they are listening to the American people those of us who are clear thinkers.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 10:27 AM
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43. Beyond frustrating. It really is.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:35 AM
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33. kicking this
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:42 AM
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34. This is Nancy's Big Lie. Disgusting.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:11 AM
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35. boy just reading this is getting me infuriated
she doesn't know what crime was committed??? :wtf:
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:19 AM
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37. Can Congresscritters Be Impeached?
She must GO. Now I want her behind bars with the rest of those bastards.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 10:25 AM
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42. no
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:05 PM
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62. Wasn't the first impeachment in this country a Senator's?
Fein was talking about that last Friday.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:35 AM
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39. link to pdf
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:37 AM
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40. Oh, please.
Nancy, are you that stupid?

I guess so.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 10:49 AM
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44. I called.
The live woman who answered the phone told me she couldn't take my comment so she put me through to the comment line. It would nice to know if anyone actually listens and records those comments. :eyes: Anyway, I cited lying the country into war, domestic spying, claiming unitary executive privileges, and torturing prisoners. Of coure those were just the few things that popped immediately into my head.


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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 10:54 AM
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45. in my previous post I left out
that Pelosi is NOT listening to the American people, something is wrong with Nancy, she is not dealing in reality.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:08 AM
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46. Nancy, wake the fuck up and smell the coffee.
That woman has got to go...

How can someone in her position be so freakin' ignorant?
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:56 AM
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48. K &R ...
:kick:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:14 PM
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49. is she just stupid?
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:05 PM
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69. She's not remotely stupid. She's lying.
The why is the question, I lean toward concern for her complicity rather than blackmail.

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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:07 PM
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85. she must have bought into the bush garbage from the beginning
and now can't challenge it without putting herself in jeopardy.
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:03 PM
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95. Yeah, bought into it, supported it, participated in it...
for whatever reason, I don't care honestly. But she's in it deep, I think, as most of the accommodating Dems are. They don't want investigations because their skeletons come out too.

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:18 PM
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70. Not stupid; she's complicit.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 12:35 PM
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52. the 16 words...
are the most easily discernable and directly impeachable offense. lying to congress is a felony. there is proof he knew he was lying because he was informed that the yellow cake info was bad and he kept it in the speech anyway.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:16 PM
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56. If she can't see his crimes, which is a lie, doesn't that make her
pretty much a sociopath, too?

And people like Nadler are going on Washington Journal and saying Bush needs to be prosecuted. That must be one thick bubble she's trying to maintain because the crime is ALLLLLLLLLL around her.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:28 PM
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54. I am without comment. I just can't even answer that one.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:13 PM
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55. The last time I saw Pelosi at the SF Opera, she mentioned that her
Cut of Di Feinstein's husband's illegal war contracts were just too lucrative, and that even if Bush was caught fornicating with children and a pet goat on the WH lawn, she would really really have to think about whether that would be worthy of impeachment.

I'd say more, but they are paying our rent here for the next twelve months, and in return, my lips are sealed!!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:33 PM
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57. Kick
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 02:54 PM
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59. The book that she is peddelling is quite ironic.
She talks about empowerment yet her actions as Speaker have mostly been those of an Appeaser to Busholini.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:03 PM
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61. Her whole office has been instructed to invalidate her constitutents,
basically. It's a big gaslighting operation.

Empowerment, my @ss. Next, Cheney will write a book about transparency in government.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:39 PM
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74. you guys know what to do..
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 04:39 PM by frylock
current DU rules preclude me from stating outright what should be done, but I think you get the gist. cough*cindysheehan*cough
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:02 PM
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60. Is she still on Comedy Central or something?!

If there is evidence of treason, should this not be investigated? What could be much worse than manipulating intelligence and lying in order to bring the nation and world into an illegal war?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:52 PM
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77. Maybe torturing innocents or not warning NOLA the levees were breached
but, I'm not a lawyer.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 01:18 AM
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121. It's a videotaped proven fact that he lied us into a war, that he obstructed Justice in the Plame af
and 9/11. Pelosi is just appeasing republicans and conservatives to justify her refusal to impeach. Bush could shoot her child on national tv and she still wouldn't impeach. She is contemptible.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:21 PM
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63. Try "Criminal Negligence", Nancy, or maybe "Voluntary Manslaughter",
or, at the very least, "Fraud"! There is no crime if your look the other way, bitch!:mad:
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:37 PM
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65. Pelosi MUST BE IMPEACHED FIRST
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:43 PM
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66. Pelosi should be recalled on account of
she's too stupid to be a Congressperson.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:52 PM
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67. Madam Speaker's breezy declaration was reckless in the extreme!
I've written her on a regular basis in favor of impeachment and received meek rebuttals in return. Too divisive. It's a distraction.

And just now it occurred to me what an impact her careless smilely little declaration on a favorite US talk show could have on people. I can imagine them thinking as a result that--

Well, the Speaker of the House didn't seem to think the President had committed any crimes. She said that if someone could just show her ONE, she'd impeach him, and she hasn't done so yet...

There I was getting exercised about that New Yorker cover and here goes Speaker Nancy making a breezy declaration that does a lot of damage in a similar way-- it gives gut level reinforcement to a huge falsehood -- that Bush has not committed blatant impeachable offenses.

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:23 PM
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71. pelosi is a prime example of the peter principle..
clearly not at all qualified for the position. i hope whatever dirt the repubs has on her come to light and force her out of politics.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:24 PM
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72. My letter to Ms. Nancy
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 04:37 PM by Hekate
A List of Bush Crimes for You

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi

Madame Speaker:

As a California constituent and a Democrat I was very pleased when you became Speaker of the House of Representatives. I was less than pleased when you announced that "impeachment (of Pres. George W. Bush) is off the table." What happened?

In the history of the United States there has never been an administration so destructive of our basic principles, Constitutional protections, economy, environment, and reputation in the world as that of George W. Bush. The fact that you and others in the House refuse to act on this matter makes me wonder if Bush and Cheney are literally blackmailing you and/or threatening members of your family. I'm not joking. They are dangerous men and yours is not the only about-face that has occurred in the past 7 years.

Today you said that you would impeach Bush if anybody knew of a crime he had committed. For starters, would you please consult with your colleagues John Conyers and Dennis Kucinich? They have boxes of evidence.

Below my signature I include evidence collected by others of Bush's crimes. It's not too late to re-establish not only the rule of law but Congress's place as a co-equal branch of government.

Sincerely yours,

XXXXXXXXXXXX


edited to add Kucinich
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 03:19 AM
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123. Hear Hear!
Well said, Hekate!

I'm not in Pelosi's district (I'm next door, but considering a move into her district in the next two years). Your letter caught my sentiments very well. Alas, I must agree with Pelosi that impeachment at this juncture is impractical and not worth the candle. Best not distract the country.

But I don't know what she's thinking that no crimes were committed. I think crimes have been committed by members of the Bush administration, including war crimes, and those should be prosecuted (after Bush leaves office).

As for the abusive mis-administration of the country, republicans will justly pay a heavy price for that in the next election. But I for one haven't forgotten the responsibility some democrats have for the problems, and remind that many democrats are also to blame, even if to a lesser degree. Dems had enough votes and power, even as the minority, to filibuster or stop some of the nonsense, but didn't. As a result I'm not standing so tall or holier than thou as a democrat either, and I'm a little pissed off that I can't stand tall and proud as a democrat, because that's how I'd prefer to be standing. But at least I'm still standing, not down on all fours or slithering on my belly like a reptilican.





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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:47 PM
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:50 PM
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76. Maybe Kucinich should file impeachment papers against Pelosi.
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:54 PM
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78. Pelosi Should Be Replaced!
:grr:
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:00 PM
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79. Sorry Representative Palosi, No More B.C. Bud chased with Gin & Tonics..
While in some sort of purple :crazy: haze,
you are not much of an inquisitive person.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:50 PM
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84. Don't knock the herb. I'm a daily patient and *I* know b*s* committed crimes.
She's just a lying complicit coward.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:29 PM
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80. She's a Liar... She Knows Bush has Committed Impeachable Offenses
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:31 PM
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81. who does she think she's foolin'?
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 06:24 PM by spanone
that's an absolutely insulting statement.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:32 PM
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82. I wonder if she's afraid to impeach Bush b/c of the potential horrors of
an even ever-so-brief Cheny presidency?

Then again, why not impeach Cheney first? He is, after all, the real President anyway.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:36 PM
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83. Nancy Pelosi is a friggin complicit criminal!
We need to get her out! :grr:
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:25 PM
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87. Kicked, Rec'd & Faxed! nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:29 PM
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88. That woman has some selective hearing, I must say. I do believe
she's been told enough times of his crimes. It's almost like she's covering for him. Just because it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and talks like a duck, doesn't mean it's a duck. Or does it?
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:29 PM
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89. Maybe cross post this on the Maryland board? Love to see a big turnout for her this Saturday. nt
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:30 PM
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90. K & R
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:30 PM
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91. Nancy was playing with the very wealthy in Montana over the weekend
at San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsome's wedding. She can't be bothered with the trivial.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:56 PM
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92. Perhaps Nancy is a tad senile. She surely heard Kucinich's list
of the 35 impeachable offenses.

Maybe we should have Dennis fax her a copy of the House record.

This statement proves she's not paying attention to her job, or is completely senile. Neither option is acceptable for this position of power.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:57 PM
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98. "Nancy is a tad senile"
McSame and her would make a lovely couple.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:57 PM
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105. The movie version would be called:
"100 Years of War & the Horse He Rode in On"

(:evilgrin: & :cry:) both a comedy & a tragedy at the same time
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:59 PM
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106. Lol.
I prefer to laugh than cry.:)
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FunMe Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:01 PM
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94. Oh gosh, is that woman still with her dog & pony "show"
Geez, can someone just IMPEACH PELOSI?

Is she that dense that she does not get why her Congress is LOWER in approval ratings than the President?

Please San Francisco - take her away!
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:47 PM
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96. Is this a joke?
First, you don't know if a person committed a crime until you frickin' INVESTIGATE that person... hellllllooooo? Earth to Nancy!

It is true. They do have pictures of her in her underwear. Or maybe in bed with Trent Lott. I know it wouldn't be Larry Craig but either she's incredibly unfit to hold office or they have something they're holding over her head. Either way, we need someone else.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:03 PM
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100. "either she's incredibly unfit to hold office or they have something they're holding over her head"
You forgot 2 possibilities:

1-She was bought and paid for.

2-All of the above.

And on this pic she looks pretty happy:




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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:39 PM
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104. all of the above.
or she is totally daffy.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:00 PM
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99. Done...
Well, I'm no Nancy Greggs, David Swanson or even a Mad Floridian when it comes to letter writing, but here is the letter I faxed to Mrs. Pelosi as a cover letter to the list of crimes assembled by Mr. Conyers.

Madam Speaker,

You stated on "The View" today that you'd impeach President Bush if anybody knew of a crime he'd committed. Here's a list of crimes drawn up by John Conyers 2.5 years ago. I hope you find this list useful in holding him accountable for the crimes he has committed, especially those against the Constitution that he took an oath to uphold, just as you did. Many progressive democrats have given up hope of this current administration ever being held accountable for their many crimes, and feel that Congress and you in particular because of your "impeachment is off the table comments", are no longer listening to the voices of the American people. The window of opportunity is rapidly closing for you to prove them wrong, show the administration that laws do matter, despite what they seem to believe, and to live up to the oath of office you took by doing what you were asked to do in the 2006 elections. Please do the right thing, and either hold these criminals accountable, or do the honorable thing and step aside and let someone else do it. Just as history will remember what President Bush and his administration have done to our beloved country, it will also remember what you have or have not done, and right now, I doubt it will look kindly at you. Please do what you must know is the right thing, and make all of us Democrats proud of our party once again.

Respectfully,
My name and address


sadly, it went through on the first try, I would have preferred the lines be jammed with other people doing likewise. But in any case, I did as you asked, and now on pray it didn't fall on deaf ears, as I suspect it did.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:14 PM
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101. My rating:
Two thumbs up. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Excellent letter ImForGore.You should add a couple of pages,print it and send it to her by mail.The

tittle:Impeachment for Dummies. :)
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:34 PM
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103. Thanks.
I wanted to get my point across without being too insulting, and thereby putting her immediately in defensive mode (though I imagine she pretty much lives there lately). I find it sad that with the August recess so close, she is out pushing her book when there is so much that needs to be done. Definitely a HUGE disappointment, given the high hopes I had for her.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:20 PM
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102. Address for those not in her district
I got this auto-reply:

Thank you for contacting my office.

Congressional courtesy prevents me from replying to emails if I cannot determine that you are a constituent of mine.

If you are not a resident of California's 8th Congressional District and are contacting me in regard to my role as Speaker, please email me at AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov.

If you are a resident of the 8th District of California, please contact my office in Washington, DC at (202) 225-4965 to be added to our database.

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:17 PM
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107. Fuck you Pelosi, your hands are dirty just as much as Bush
Who is worse, the person who does the evil deed or those who have the power to stop it and don't?

She had to say this to Americans? She is in another world I don't know anything about I guess.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:20 PM
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108. Election Fraud. Warrantless Spying. Lying America into War. War Profiteering...
...Outing an NOC CIA agent and her Org, Criminal Negligence re Hurrican Katrina.

That's for starters, off the top of my head.

Hey, Nancy! Need a link?
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postman07 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 10:34 PM
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110. I emailed her
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 10:42 PM
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111. Error: You've already recommended that thread.



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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 10:53 PM
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112. Boycott San Francisco!!!!
Don't wait until after the election. Do it now. Boycott San Francisco. Let the people of San Francisco know how the rest of the country feels about Nancy Pelosi.

This woman does not represent the people. She represents herself. And George W Bush.

First it was there would not be the votes. Now it is he has not committed any crimes.

Maybe that is acceptable to the people in San Francisco. It is not acceptable to anyone else. Except for Republicans. They love her.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:05 PM
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113. It's so disgusting of her to say this after she helped give him immunity for the crime
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 11:05 PM by Marr
he ADMITTED to committing on national television (domestic spying).
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 11:46 PM
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114. OMG are you serious? WTF is wrong with her?
She doesn't appear to be mentally afflicted. :shrug:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:14 AM
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116. Did Whoopi and Joy laugh her ass off the soundstage?
seriously, is she THAT intentionally obtuse?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:21 AM
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117. Email sent
she's a pathetic excuse for a sentient human being.
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Aunt Anti-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:25 AM
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118. I sent an e-mail
It will probably wind me up at Guantanamo Bay, but I don't care. I'm really pissed off and so sick and tired of this bullshit. We did everything we could to support these people to get them into power to fight the right and they do nothing:

Dear Ms. Pelosi,

I saw the comments you'd made on "The View" today and I was a bit outraged. You said that you would impeach George W. Bush if anyone could name a crime he'd committed. You are a very intelligent woman. I've respected you and admired your work, but I was simply at a loss for words when I heard you say that.

You know as well as I do that he's committed crimes. The entire administration is corrupt and for once I wish like hell one of you, who are supposed to be representing us, would have the nerve to stand up and do the right thing.

He's violated numerous international obligations as well as being found guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity by The Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity on Wednesday, September 13, 2006. Have you taken the time to read Senator Kucinich's Articles Of Impeachment that was drawn up some two years ago?

I appeal to you to do some more investigation in this matter but I know you'll continue in your complicity because it seems that no one is left with the common sense to be moral and just in this country. Apparently, you've been bought and you will no longer have my support or my admiration or that of any of my peers.

Sincerley,
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:40 AM
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119. If we survive Bush (and he's not gone
or done yet --- he could still bomb Iran), Pelosi will not be treated well by History. This Congress of enablers and her "leadership" have been disastrous, dangerous to the Constitution and insulting to us citizens. For me she has joined that small group (like Bush, Cheney) who when I see their face appear on my TV screen I cannot change the channel fast enough.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 12:47 AM
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120. That proves she's just as guilty as he is.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:29 AM
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122. My take is that she is showing contempt for
us peons just as her friend bush does. she is really a piece of work and should be thrown out of office.
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