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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:00 PM
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Larisa Alexandrovna: More terrorism, of the bio-right-wing kind?
Edited on Fri Aug-01-08 04:28 PM by robertpaulsen
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August 01, 2008
More terrorism, of the bio-right-wing kind?

Call me far too rational if you wish, but I do not believe the Anthrax attacks were a form of right-wing terrorism that we see coming from the Christian fundamentalists, such as the Knoxville shooting this week. By now you have likely heard that a suspect who was about to be indicted conveniently offed himself this week. http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Suicide_raises_questions_about_attempts_to_0801.html Now let's examine the facts of what happened during the anthrax attacks:

1. Starting a week after 9/11, a series of letters were mailed containing weapons grade anthrax to:

2 Dem leaders in the Senate
5 letters were mailed to the "liberal media" and strangely, to the New York Post (all in NYC) as well as a tabloid publication in Boca Raton, Florida. It is this letter that I think unravels the idea that this was a right-wing terrorist attack.
The above letters came from New Jersey
The Post anthrax was different from the rest, as it was darker in color and more thick (this letter also shows that whomever was behind the attacks may have meant to use the Post letter as cover, to distract from the targets all being left-leaning)

2. Despite scientists examining the anthrax spores concluding it was weapon's grade anthrax http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s726834.htm, the FBI told Washington Post later that it was not.

3. The envelopes with the anthrax contained letters incriminating someone of Muslim origin in the crimes, as they all repeatedly stated "death to Israel," "death to America," and "Allah is Great."

4. The anthrax strain, known as the Ames strain, is not easily found (as one might find a gun to use in a shooting), nor can it be easily purchased. In fact this strain of anthrax was distributed by ONE location, Ft. Detrick MA and distributed to a small group of defense contractors.

5. The water used on the Anthrax spores http://pubs.acs.org/cen/government/84/8449gov1.html was determined to have come from the Northern US, and that the strains were cultured no more than two weeks before the attacks (that is to say, BEFORE 9/11).

To summarize thus far, a military grade, American-made form of Anthrax was released on US soil targeting liberals, the "liberal press" and publication in Boca Raton. All evidence pointed to Ft. Detrick, including the water used in the cultivation of the Anthrax spores. Whomever sent the strains of Anthrax were not targeting "liberals" because the attacker was a conservative, rather, the attacker attempted to implicate Muslisms. Despite the Anthrax attacks beginning a week after the 9/11 attacks, the bio-weapon was cultured roughly two weeks before the 9/11 attacks. Now, let's continue:

6. The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Determined that the type of make-up of the Anthrax was similar to that of the type of Anthrax made by Iraq http://www.afip.org/images/public/nl081002.pdf(this detail supports the notion that this was not a right-wing terrorist of the Christian veriety, but rather, something else http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/1360627/Building-the-case-against-Iraq.html):

"THE Taliban regime may be the current target in America's war on terrorism but the Bush administration is already building a case against a much bigger foe - Iraq.

James Woolsey, a former director of the CIA, ambassador and Pentagon official who now describes himself as a "private citizen", is the man entrusted with investigating Iraqi involvement http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/1340799/Saddam-may-be-target-Americans-are-looking-for.html in the September 11 attacks and anthrax outbreaks.

The Iraqi National Congress, the exiled group that opposes Saddam Hussein, said it recently held meetings in London with Mr Woolsey. Administration sources have said his trip was funded and approved by Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defence secretary.

Such is the sensitivity of the Iraq issue, Mr Woolsey will make no comment about the exact nature of his brief. He told The Telegraph: "I was in London and that's it."

But he made clear that he believed there were "substantial and growing indications" that a state was behind the attacks.

The milled, "weaponised" anthrax that virtually shut down Congress and killed two postal workers has increased his suspicions. So too have reports of meetings involving Mohammad Atta http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1341111/US-points-finger-of-suspicion-at-%27rogue%27-states.html, a leading hijacker, in Prague."

Remember that we now know that no such meeting occurred, but was rather fabricated out of OSP to help Cheney make his case against the Iraq war.

7. The FBI took 7 years to investigate a weapon that a). few people had access to, b). could have ONLY originated from a single source-facility (based on both the water and the strain), and MOST importantly, were unable to use a genetic comparison http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9804EEDF1738F93AA35752C1A9679C8B63 because:

"Shortly after the first case of anthrax arose, the F.B.I. said it had no objection to the destruction of a collection of anthrax samples at Iowa State University, but some scientists involved in the investigation now say that collection may have contained genetic clues valuable to the inquiry.

<snip>

Last month, after consulting with the F.B.I., Iowa State University in Ames destroyed anthrax spores collected over more than seven decades and kept in more than 100 vials. A variant of the so-called Ames strain had been implicated in the death of a Florida man from inhalation anthrax, and the university was nervous about security.

<snip>

If the archive still existed, it would by no means solve the mystery. But scientists said a precise match between the anthrax that killed four people and a particular strain in the collection might have offered hints as to when that bacteria had been isolated and, perhaps, how widely it had been distributed to researchers. And that, in turn, might have given investigators important clues to the killer's identity."

Why did Iowa University suddenly destroy Anthrax spores they had (Ames strain) after keeping them up to that point for 70 years? Who at the FBI gave the order for the spores to be destroyed?

8. Today we learn that a man named Bruce E. Ivens, a researcher at Fort Detrick was about to be indicted for the Anthrax attacks, but before the authorities could indict him, he killed himself. For 18 years this guy was the top Anthrax researcher and never once during that time did he decide to culture spores and then send them out into the world. What prompted him to culture spores before 9/11 and send them out a week after, blaming Muslims in the process? Why did the military attempt to tie these spores to Iraq?

One man could not have done all of this and one man had no reason to do so in the way he did. Most strikingly of all: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/aponline201158_000.htm

"On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was "a precaution," according to one person directly involved.

At that time, nobody could guess the dimensions of the terrorists' plot.

Now, Bush said on Tuesday, "There's no question that the evil-doers are continuing to try to harm America and Americans."'

Now it is likely the case that someone working at Ft. Detrick was directly involved and it is possible that this person was Bruce E. Ivens. But he did not and could not have acted alone. He could not have informed the White House to start taking Cirpro. He could not have had a private interest to start a war with Iraq and somehow insert the talking points into the Armed Forces Institute of Pathathology report. He could not have told Iowa University to destroy the spores. He had no reason to target the National Inquirer. He had no reason to blame the attacks on Muslims. Even if he was the most extreme Christian fundementalist, why would he have an interst in blaming the attacks on Iraq and then someone manage to insert that connection into the Dick Cheney talkings points on Prague?

Is this conspiracy theory? No. This is a criminal conspiracy, period. The two questions that remain are a). who is part of this conspiracy and b). what is the nature of this conspiracy (to politicize a bio-terrorism attack vs. ordering a bio-terrorism attack)? These questions will continue to remain unsolved, I think, for a good long time. Do I have my suspicions? Yes. But right now, it is best to simply look at all of the evidence and ask ourselves some very painful questions. Of course this is just my opinion and entirely based on historical information and public statements by government officials. I could be entirely wrong that this was not some lone psycho and it surely would not be the first time I was wrong. But I do think we have to look at all of the evidence before we pin all of this on a single, conviniently dead, American terrorist working for a government bio-weapons lab.

Also see the following:

Glen Greenwald over at Salon asking about the Iraq issue http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/01/anthrax/
Thing Progress has footage of McCain trying to tie Anthrax to Iraq http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/01/mccain-anthrax-iraq/

http://www.atlargely.com/2008/08/more-terrorism.html
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:04 PM
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1. small correction, should be 2 years, not 2 weeks...
still leaves the same questions obviously, but want to to be accurate:)
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:05 PM
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2. wait, is there no way to include the source
materials/llinks?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:06 PM
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3. Sorry, let me try editing that.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:29 PM
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4. Links added.
Sorry if its a bit sloppy.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:38 PM
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5. Kicked, and here's another link:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:03 PM
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6. Thanks for the link.
Let's hope we shine more light on this before the DOJ says "case closed":


No decision to close case
Authorities were investigating whether Ivins released the anthrax as a way to test his vaccine, officials said. The Justice Department has not yet decided whether to close the investigation, officials said, meaning it's still not certain whether Ivins acted alone or had help. One official close to the case said that decision was expected within days.

If the case is closed soon, one official said, that will indicate that Ivins was the lone suspect.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25961053
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:17 PM
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7. One criticism I have...

The fact that the letters were trying to implicate the Muslim community seemed all too transparent. I saw through that immediately and I suspect that many people who watched this on the news saw through it as well. If this was a well coordinated military conspiracy then they needed more assistance from the psyops divisions.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:31 PM
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8. It wasn't the content of the letters that seemed transparent to me.
But the date in the corner 09/11/01 instead of 11/09/01 was a dead giveaway that this was the product of a sick American. As far as psyops goes, I don't mind the deliberate sloppiness of the letter except for that one detail.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:39 PM
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9. Cheney could have been involved...

he's turning out not to be the brightest bulb in the White House. Suggesting that Navy seals pose as enemy combatants seems pretty reckless.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:18 AM
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14. One more theoretical point regarding psyops.
As with the Niger yellowcake forgeries, they might have known the subterfuge wouldn't last, that even a half-assed FBI investigation helmed by Captain Ahab would still uncover the undeniable fact the anthrax was homegrown, not Iraqi shipped. But the key was for the subterfuge to last long enough for the Blame Saddam Propaganda Machine to get into gear. Then switch the focus to other types of WMD before anyone got wise to the truth of the anthrax origins. Once the truth could no longer be denied, find a patsy. Or two.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:51 PM
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17. Good point, the real undeniable crime that we can point to...
is the conspiracy to use this incident as false evidence that Saddam was using weapons of mass destruction and that we should attack Iraq because of it. As Keith O. pointed out, even John McCain was spreading this propaganda on the Letterman show! Not only do we have a golden opportunity to investigate the sources of this propaganda for evidence that we were being lied into war, but we could also use this against McCain as evidence that he was participating in these crimes. Hopefully the war-enabling Democrats won't get in the way of this.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:31 PM
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20. KO was OK last night.
I'm glad he highlighted McCain's role in being part of this Mighty Iraq Wurlitzer just one month after the 9/11 attacks. I can understand bringing Gerald Posner on even though I personally despise him; he wanted to mull over the possibilities without appearing too :tinfoilhat:. But I was disappointed that Olbermann neglected the Salon piece from Greenwald. Hopefully Keith is deliberate starting slowly and will build up to that revelation next week. We've got to find out who the four ABC News sources were.

BTW, was it ever revealed who the sources were that tried to frame Hatfill? I know he sued some reporter or news organization that wouldn't reveal their two sources and the judge threatened them with jail and a fine. I know the appeals court threw out the fine, but I don't know if the sources were revealed or if Hatfill settled for his $5.8 million so that the government could keep the identity of those sources secret. Wouldn't it be something if the identity of any of those sources just happened to match the identity of any of the ABC News sources? Or the Richard Cohen source?
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 06:22 PM
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12. robertpaulsen, I am so glad I'm not the only one that noticed
the date format. That was the first thing I noticed. I knew then it was bullshit.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:26 AM
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15. Yeah, that stood out right away.
But then the bumbling FBI investigation, with the Ahab-like obsession over Stephen Hatfill and now, seven years later, they were on the verge of arresting someone who in reaction to their spotlight commits suicide. How much incompetence can the incompetence theory take before it takes on the appearance of willful neglect, i.e. a cover-up?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:21 PM
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19. Also, the clunky use of "Allah is Great".
"Allahu akhbar" is usually translated (by everyone, including Arabic speakers) as "God is great".

Reminds me of the damning letter from Ivins' "counselor" in which she misspells "therapist".
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:46 PM
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10. K&R
Sad that the "liberal media" won't be covering this... so the vast majority of people will remain blissfully unaware.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 06:04 PM
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11. OMG> Iraq. They were going to use the anthrax murders
to justify invading Iraq. Iraq. Iraq, did you know has OIL? Lots and lots of it and you don't have to drill. Easy Money. Well I remember well the anthrax murders b/c I am an employee of the P.O. I clearly remember stand ups telling us to wear protective gloves. I clearly remember two postal employees murdered by anthrax. I clearly remember NOTHING being done about them. I clearly remember Sen Leahy being justified in his anger towards Mukassey....... They must be getting close.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:26 PM
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13. you can't make this shite up...
al qaeda #2 dead
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/01/eveningnews/main4316193.shtml

sort of, because CBS "has not been able to confirm it"
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:38 AM
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16. He could not have informed the White House to start taking Cirpro.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:21 PM
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18. Now I'm convinced I'm not so paranoid after all...
Great piece.
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