The perfect crime.. Shock Doctrine USA! We've been had. It's over folks.

[Joanne98]

Bush is looting the entire country. He created this crisis on purpose. The private equity firms are eating things up right now. Banks, mortgages, pension funds, public property.. EVERYTHING!

Governors are going to have to put everything up for sale. Roads, bridges, airports, schools, libraries, everything.

Even the police and fire will be privatized.

Grover Norquist has won.

The beauty of the mortgage crisis, is that it depletes the property tax revenue. That's why they will get everything. Not enough taxes to save them.

Carlyle, and the groups will steal the country for pennies on the dollar.

Even if we win the WH, it will be too late. Everything will be up for sale.

The antrax story is a message. "Say one word about what we are doing and we will kill you".. And it's working..

Will NOBODY stand up and tell the American people what's happening?

Silence.

I'm not focusing on anything else but this from now on.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114x41887

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114x41880

This is to depressing. I'm going to bed.

[fascisthunter]

1. but, but, but... he's really incompetent and stupid

who is dumber... he got everything he wanted.

[Lorien]

13. Oh, and "there's no such thing as conspiracies". n/t

[elleng]

82. There's no such thing as

'coincidences.'

[ForeignSpectator]

17. That's because he is...

... but he has not been running things the last 7 years at all. That's what I am convinced of, he is just the boy they put out front to get into office because he was oh-so-electable ( "want to have a beer with" etc ). But he didn't run things, cheney and others did, imo.

[redqueen]

58. Yup... he's a dumbass. A puppet. (nt)

[NBachers]

97. Hey Kids!! What Time is It???

Ok, I'm dating myself. I know, don't compare these beloved icons to the treasonous genocidal RICO republicon crooks. But it illustrates a point.

[Hydra]

28. People don't want to get it

These people were never "incompetent" or "stupid"- including Bush. They were and are evil geniuses.

"All too easy."

[Dr.Phool]

34. Al Gore said it in the first chapter of his book.

George W. Bush is not stupid. He is an extreme right-wing ideologue.

From "The Art of War",
If you are wise, make them think you are stupid. If you are strong, make them think you are weak. If you are competent, make them think you are incompetent. Not an exact quote, but you get the gist.

[Hydra]

37. Yes, and it works in practice

It just drives me crazy sometimes when I see threads about how stupid Bush is. Underestimating your opponent is DEADLY.

[Marr]

90. Bush *is* stupid.

That's largely why he's in the Oval Office. He's Reagan, v.2.0. An empty-headed, empty suit to strut for the cameras while the same old Reaganites and Nixonites run the same old plays.

How easy he must be to manage. Just play to his enormous ego and and let him think he's making the decisions. Many have remarked on how incurious GW Bush is.

You know how Cheney chose himself for the VP spot? I expect that was the tone of the entire presidency. An idiot, strutting about and thinking he's in charge of it all, when in reality his handlers are presenting him with only the options they find acceptable.

[Politicalboi]

103. This is how it happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQWO5zBwSy8&feature=related

[femrap]

87. He's a sociopath....no conscience.

These are the only people capable of climbing to the top. He is true evil...a sadistic sociopath who gets off on the pain and suffering of others.

Just wait for the false flag....I figure biologic. WASF.

[vssmith]

96. I hate to disagree with Gore but my perception

is that he is an opportunist with out any conscience.

[natrat]

81. people just dont want to believe their "government" will fuck them

[elleng]

83. And 'we'

are simpleminded fools.

[The Wielding Truth]

75. His "crime family" and cohorts aren't stupid, and these pull his

strings. Greed can be quite ruthless and savagely clever.

[Kaleko]

2. Yeah, this is the elephant in the room

that so many of us have been pointing at for years.

It's staggering to behold their "Shock and Awe" applied to America.

[screembloodymurder]

3. You're absolutely right.

They're serial killers and we know who they are. What ya gonna do about it, Suckers.

[robinlynne]

4. I know. Otherwise sane people do not get that the Iraq war was all for $.

They actually believe he believes his own shit....

[tridim]

5. If they succeed, they lose their labor pool.

And without us they are worth nothing.

America will be ripe for revolution if it gets to that point.

[datasuspect]

20. that's when they write executive orders or put in force existing ones

that allow for conscription and movement of the workforce into industries the government deems necessary for "national security."

[OnionPatch]

22. They have huge labor pools.

In China, Taiwan, Malaysia, India...................

[tridim]

25. Who is going to run the loading docks?

[bvar22]

31. With Unions destroyed, and "Privatized Police",

the same starving people who worked the docks during the Guilded Age will work them again.

[kestrel91316]

67. That's "gilded". Gold-plated. Guilds have nothing to do with these freaks.

[OnionPatch]

65. They'll probably bring them in from somewhere else on special visas.

That is until we all become so desperate that we're willing to work for slave wages. That's the goal here, I believe, anyway.

[The Backlash Cometh]

68. It would be so comical if it weren't so sad.

They used the small business man's vote and support to pass on all the jobs to everyone else, so there's no one else here to keep the small businesses in business.

[Dr.Phool]

35. How are you going to have a revolt during a commercial break for Survivor?

If Karl Marx were alive today, he would say,

"Turn off that fucking opium box, already"!

[tridim]

36. If this comes to fruition, Survivor will not be in production.

Nothing will.

Commercial television requires viewers who can afford to consume.

[DemReadingDU]

45. we won't be able to afford the electricity to turn on the TV

assuming there is electricity

[behave]

6. yes & kicked and recommended

[Political Heretic]

7. Life will go on.

[screembloodymurder]

9. But freedom will die

and there will be blood on your hands.

[Political Heretic]

18. and life will still go on.

If you are born an American you've had plenty of blood on your hands already. Hasn't stopped the sun from rising yet.

[Occulus]

44. Bye n/t

[Political Heretic]

88. Cheers! I'm sorry that the truth is unpalatable.

I've devoted my life to doing what I can - in my community, and in real people's lives. As long as there are people out there still willing to do that, the sun will go on rising and setting, no matter what hard times we face.

[BlueJac]

99. In your dreams

[Political Heretic]

107. Life won't go on?

Who's dreaming now...

[azul]

8. China and Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and other sovereign wealth funds

are big money sources for these private equity groups. And that is the money that was fleeced off the US consumers in purchasing gas and crapola: the money will not come back in balanced trade but as vulture capital investments. And the public won't have a cow cause the source of the cash is hidden, privately.

Eat some chocolate or hard cheese before you go to sleep, if you please :)

[Joanne98]

23. Is that what's happening? The SWF's are financing private equity?

Wow. That's really sneaky. But it makes sense. I was wondering where private equity got so much money. They have about 400 billion. It didn't sound right especially since Blackstone got it's ass kicked. but yeah. I think your right.

[Subdivisions]

61. Ok, Joanne. How about a primer for us finance idiots...? n/t

[napoleon_in_rags]

10. Yeah, yeah yeah. So what comes NEXT?

I've talked about this as well, but my theory has always been that the forces involved in bringing down the government were at least international if not foreign, because the US nation state will not WORK with everything privatized. I mean it could, if you had a free market but that's not what will happen. The corporations involved in the takeover will give themselves power over the market to stay on top, which is what governments do. They will ensure their cut of smaller company profits, which is what governments do. So does what exactly changes?

[azul]

11. We get the bloody game of roller-ball? And corporate states?

Sort of like the old company store on steroids, with company armies and navies. Yea!

[napoleon_in_rags]

15. But if were taking the red pill/donning the tinfoil...

why not go all the way? Some might say this country has been an oligarchy for some time, in that while we are given choices, our options seem very limited, even controlled. Could it be that an illusion of democracy is more effective at controlling at the masses than an overt authoritarian presence? In some ways that is more scary a path. We could already be authoritarian, have been for some time, or just be rounding the corner now, but we'd never see it, we'd just find ourselves in an invisible system of control.

edit: I need to post more on this thread, just to get some stuff out of my head. (which I do by writing feel free to ignore) The Architect from one of the Matrix movies was an incredible symbol of control:

"The Architect redesigned the Matrix to reflect human history and culture, but it still failed. The solution to this problem was discovered by the Oracle: a version of the Matrix that gave humans the unconscious choice of accepting it. This version was accepted by nearly 99% of all test subjects."

When I think of Repubs standing up and talking about Al Qaeda being international, well financed, bent on destroying our liberties, it always sounds to me like they are describing themselves. Perhaps this isn't a mistake; it might be that they must say what it is or the "Matrix" can be subconsciously accepted, or else the whole thing falls down.

[arcadian]

47. A lot of people hold two contradictory ideas in their heads at the same time.

I know people who are not tinfoil aficionados who are genuinely afraid that the government is reading each and every one of their emails, like really good friends and family. People from different groups that do not overlap. Yet these same people will also tell you that we live in a free and democratic society. Go figure.

[napoleon_in_rags]

76. Yeah, that's the power of the unconscious acceptance

It allows them to believe that the duality has always existed, that the government always read people's letters and went through their things because they can believe that it was always subconsciously accepted, never overtly acknowledged. So the 4th amendment lies in the realm of the overtly acknowledged "freedom" while the government surveillance programs exist in the realm of the covertly acknowledged totalitarian state.

[Golden Raisin]

14. Next is "enforcement" by Blackwater.

[Subdivisions]

63. They're already conditioning us for it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3731341

and more specifically:





History repeats itself.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

94. Blackwater should be closed down and

everyone affiliated with it executed or sent to Gitmo for the rest of their lives. They are the 'privatized" version of the SA and the Geheime Stats Polizei and serve exactly the same evil function.

[Selatius]

64. We saw a test run of that in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. Mercs were on the streets. nt

[lonestarnot]

12. You couldn't have just figured this out at this late date. I've read your posts.

:)

[shanti]

16. yes

this is what i've thought too, makes too much sense. there will be nothing left when (if?) they leave. follow the money...

[datasuspect]

19. it's a fire sale

[katty]

50. been a fire sale for 7+ yrs

[earth mom]

21. Many of us have been warning that this was their plan. Say hello to the North American Union.

Where the powers that be will OWN and CONTROL everything and we peons will have ZERO property or rights.

Bye bye, USA, Canada, Mexico! :cry:

[dysfunctional press]

24. property taxes still get paid on foreclosed properties...

whoever holds the paper on the house is responsible for paying the property taxes. if someone has their house foreclosed on- the bank that takes the house is on the hook for those taxes.

[alllyingwhores]

79. The same banks that are having our tax dollars funneled to them as a corporate welfare bailout?

[GeorgeGist]

26. The giveaway is in the Preamble to the Constituton.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Now ask yourself: Who Wrote those Words?





















Self-ordained oligarchs, that's who!

[Bobbie Jo]

27. Have to give this one a "bottom line" Rec!

x(

[Marie26]

29. Everything must go.

It's an out-of-business sale w/steep discounts & great deals for the hedge funds. Desperation means the business will cut prices far below even what they paid wholesale. They're even selling the shelves & the doors of the store to try to break even. So a fund can by the products, the infrastructure, the entire business for pennies on the dollar. And the business doesn't even realize that the buyer was the one who drove them to bankruptcy in the first place.

[Evoman]

30. Argentina, all over again.

[galileoreloaded]

33. Yup. n/t

[hfojvt]

32. serendipity now

Much like the Seinfeld episode which featured the phrase 'serenity now' in the book 'The power of positive thinking' Norman Vincent Peale wrote that we often make ourselves unhappy by worrying about things which have not happened yet and oftentimes which never will happen.

Your OP is hard to refute, being about the future rather than the past or present. Your comment about the anthrax story does not fit though, since Ivins was not saying anything, was he? Maybe I should read some of those anthrax threads.

"Never hurry, never worry."

Once in a hotel room I was fixing a tiny garbage can that was overflowing. My dad said 'don't worry about that'. I replied 'I am not worrying. I am doing something about it.'

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. The chemtrails are robbing us of our ability to fight back...

Right?

[Hestia]

55. Either chemtrails or all those antidepressants they've been giving

us through the water system. (I can't find the link right now, but there was an article
that most of sewage discharge is loaded with antidepressants. The small percentage that
takes them cannot 'discharge' that much, country wide.)

[graywarrior]

39. And don't think for a moment that McSame is not in on it.

He been baptized into the fold, baby!

[earth mom]

57. And Obama hasn't been? Have you heard him lately?

Wake up and smell the corruption.

[Auggie]

40. It was evident to me after finishing Ms. Klein's book last year

Destroying the economy and the creation of wealth disparity have been specific goals. What's more, these goons already have "solutions" ready to propose to the desperate (and gullible) masses when things really turn bad.

[SidneyCarton]

41. The ultimate truth of the Bush Administration...

Not Fascism,
Not Theocracy,

Just thievery on a grand scale. These are the greatest thieves in the history of the world, in 8 years they have stolen everything not nailed down, and managed to smash much that they couldn't pry up.

There will be no universal health care, not for a while at least. The country is broke, Norquist has won indeed, for now.

[frog92969]

42. They've been extremely competent

A few mistakes here and there but no major set backs to speak of.

The illusion of Democracy should be lifted soon, maybe then we'll have the numbers to confront them...maybe not.

[Indenturedebtor]

43. Their method of control is doomed to failure though

When things get bad enough their lies won't work anymore. There will be either peaceful or bloody revolution. That's my hope anyways.... whether it takes a couple of hundred years or a couple of decades is the real question though.

And personally I'm not going to be a part of it. Liberty thrives in other parts of the world, and I'm going to go to one of those parts. The wife and I are "other" anyways. We've spent our whole lives hearing about how we don't really belong and aren't wanted. I'm not bitter... just don't care anymore :hi:

[katty]

52. failing, Not soon enough!!

[Indenturedebtor]

56. I think things will have to get even worse though. The bread and circus are still

Keeping the masses satisfied for the moment. I don't think we'll be running out of circus any time soon, but I'm getting pretty low on "bread" myself.

[november3rd]

46. Make 'em pay "The Ulitmate Tax"

Then we can start over and cover our Bushdebts.

[NoSheep]

48. Where 'ya been Joanne?

;)

[katty]

49. Yup, this was always poppy bush & co's plan-the boy did for him

[DemReadingDU]

51. So can this crime be stopped?

What can people do to prevent a total meltdown in banking, housing, infrastructure?

Maybe it's too late to stop it?

What should be done to prepare for it?
stock up on canned goods, can opener?
buy a bicycle?
have cash at home?
pay off loans?

[katty]

53. stopped, it's been happening...slippery slope already in prog

[Hestia]

54. The only sure way is to kick out the Federal Reserve -

almost all of our debt is interest owed to the FR. Seriously. Enact Presidential Order #11110 (JFK) and take back the mint. Viola! Everyone is paid off (bonds) and we can have a functioning gov't again. All roads and fingers point to the FR.

[katty]

59. totally agree! that is it--so simple and it CAN be done

[Greyhound]

60. Yes, but it is not llikely to happen.

The solution is simple, but far too scary for the sheeple to contemplate, we just have to refuse to play anymore. Their power, wealth, everything, comes from our willingness to do as they tell us.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

95. Those are smart things to do...

regardless of the total meltdown. (I've been on this planet four decades and am astonished at how little common sense there seems to be these days.) I know many are putting much faith in Obama, but I don't see this juggernaut stopping.

[johnnie]

62. Clinton's pee pee

:yoiks:

[The Backlash Cometh]

66. They just made one terrible mistake.

Where are they going to go, really? Everywhere outside our borders, there are people of all kinds of nationalities ready to drag these people to the Hague. And on our soil, we have citizens ready to make citizen's arrest which will become national heroes for doing it. I mean, really. What were they thinking?

[xyouth]

70. They were thinking that they had all the money in the world, and could finance a private army

[mikehiggins]

69. Don't be fooled--November will settle nothing

No matter who wins the "powers that be" will still be the powers that count. It will take years to dissassemble the disaster BushCo has created and no one should think for a second that the bad guys are going to somehow just give up, even if we get the White House AND control both Houses and put good guys on the Supreme Court and all the rest.

Like the Terminator, they will just keep on coming and coming because that is all they know how to do. On Inaugeration Day, a really appropriate event to celebrate the election of our guy would be to have Bush, Cheney and company arrested on the spot and sent to Guantanamo Bay.

Won't happen but that's the level of thing that will HAVE to happen if there is to be any chance of rebuilding this Country as a nation of laws, and a law abiding nation, not a rogue state in the service of the corporations.

[tblue]

72. So what the hell do we do??????????????

[liberalla]

71. The scope of the scam is massive,

and the results are truly devastating.

I must be naive, because I can't understand how people could do this... It will destroy the country. Why would they want that? The answer to that is something I can't get my head around...

... and I'm naive enough to keep thinking (or hoping) something will happen or someone will step in to stop the crimes in progress and prevent the worst from happening. (but we'll still be in a world of hurt)

[Greyhound]

73. This has been in the works for well over 30 years.

The 60s scared the shit out of the rulers and a plan was made to prevent any re-occurrence.

It has been well implemented by our masters and the parties they own.

[valerief]

74. If only some secret service agent or soldier "did the right thing." You know, "sent a message to

America."

I'll stop now before I'm Gitmoed.

[natrat]

93. that wouldn't do anything-countless more behind the curtains

[frog92969]

105. Gotta start somewhere.

[Vidar]

77. K&R.

[pokercat999]

78. Stay calm and take heart

The big pendulum of life has swung it's full arc to the right and is now about to start it's swing to the left. When it reaches the far left we will have nationalized most of the industries that are "taking over" anyway. So the privatization will have backfired and made it easier for the government to pick up health care and all insurance etc.

[windbreeze]

80. finally, someone is catching on....systematically, plotted and planned...yep n/t

[windbreeze]

91. forgot one...and executed...n/t

[gateley]

84. K&R !! nt

[bagrman]

85. If someone was to stand up and lay out the crap item by item.......

the American public would just yawn and go back to their TV and bucket of chicken. Ignorance is bliss.

[MissDeeds]

86. Who cares that this country is getting screwed?

We want to know who is being voted off the island! Who won Dancing with the Stars? Who are you going to vote for on American Idol? Is Li-lo really living with that female DJ? Is Britney making a comeback? Will Jennifer Anniston EVER get over Brad Pitt? Did he and Angelina Jolie really have in vitro? Is Star Jones' ex gay or not?!

Please don't bother us with such inane stuff as this. Geez...!

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[ClusterFreak]

89. Ergo...

...nothing matters.

Ah.

Well...off to hang myself now.:sarcasm:

[mmonk]

92. You can't save a country from your bed.

You have to outlast the opposition. For those of us for whom the Shock didn't take, we must reorient our country.

[BlueJac]

98. Totally correct, and they are not finished

[Canuckistanian]

100. I suppose they have the money now

Or at least enough to buy the media. And that's 99% of the battle.

NOTHING get done unless it's on the TeeVee.

[DirtyDawg]

101. We'll just fucking take it back from the bastards...

...with new leadership in Washington, along with proof of the collusion and deceit that has taken place, we'll throw 'em all in jail, freeze their assets and if they decide to try and make a run for it...well, we can deal with that too.

[mvd]

102. It's very depressing

There seems to be a conspiracy that's completely behind the curtain. Even some Democrats like Pelosi have acquiesced. Even the ball parks have been corporatized - I went to Citizens Bank Park tonight to watch a Phils game, and some bad signs - small seats with little leg room, no stand concessions, far away food stops that charge high prices with long lines.. even the look and feel was more corporate.

[Politicalboi]

104. In 2000 they steal an election

Nobody did anything about it. On 09/10/01 2.3 Trillion dollars goes missing at the Pentagon. Nothing is done about it. They attack us on 9/11. Nobody is held accountable. Pallets of money goes missing in Iraq. Nothing is done about it. All they have to do is attack the internetS and shut it off and were all fucked. No money from the banks, no gas, no real communication to find out what is going on in the world. Stores will be looted, mass hysteria in the streets. And thats just the internet. We rely on computers for everything now. How can you prove you have money in the bank? Statements won't tell them anything. All their info is on the computer. Now everybody is broke. How's that gonna work? And you can't tell me that they spend 12 Billion a month in Iraq.

[frog92969]

106. Bullets aren't cheap

and those Hummers and Warthogs get lousy mileage you know.
:sarcasm:

It seems like we're a small minority that even cares anymore.
Most Americans think it's none of their business.