Just when I thought I couldn't be more pissed over the Ivins/Anthrax thing...

[Junkdrawer]

The man was working on his sobriety before they leaned on him, his wife and his children...

...

It was around the time that FBI agents showed Ivins's 24-year-old daughter pictures of the victims who had died in the 2001 anthrax attacks and told her, "Your father did this," the scientist said. The agents also offered her twin brother the $2.5 million reward for solving the anthrax case -- and the sports car of his choice.

Ivins "was e-mailing me late at night with gobbledygook, ranting and raving" about what he called the "persecution" of his family, said the scientist, a recovering alcohol and drug user who had been sober for more than a decade. The scientist, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that he had been contacted by a co-worker of Ivins's at the sprawling Army biodefense laboratory in Fort Detrick and that the co-worker said the veteran anthrax researcher "has really gone down the tubes."

....

According to the scientist, who said he spent about 80 hours with Ivins to help him recover from his addiction, the FBI agents pressured Ivins's children, and they were pressuring Ivins in public places. One day in March, when Ivins was at a Frederick mall with his wife and son, the agents confronted the researcher and said, "You killed a bunch of people." Then they turned to his wife and said, "Do you know he killed people?" according to the scientist.

...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/05/AR2008080503747.html?sid=ST2008080503796&pos=

They found the most fragile person at that lab, cracked him, and then hung him publically in the press.

:mad:

[rucky]

1. And all they had to do was detain him under the Patriot Act

if they were so sure.

[Canuckistanian]

27. Now THERE'S a good point

They could have arrested him, then claimed the evidence was "classified" and invoked the "States Secret" clause.

He would have disappeared and no one would be the wiser.

[MadMaddie]

2. So they convicted him without a trial or jury....destroyed his

family and he committed suicide. Ivans may have the last laugh on them, they screwed this case up from the very beginning and any top lawyer will be able to destroy their case.

If Ivans is in fact guilty of the crimes, then the evidence must be examined by an outside party...outside of the government. There is no way any truth can come from any of the government agencies.

This is truely a sad day, the Rethuglicans have destroyed any faith in the DOJ, FBI and CIA. All organizations have be tainted.

[Junkdrawer]

3. This is getting personal...

As a person with long-term sobriety, I know that anyone with long-term sobriety goes to hell FAST if they start drinking again.

But for the grace of God go I...

[Muttocracy]

4. I now think they were crushing him for a confession and got a suicide. nt

[Gold Metal Flake]

7. No, they were crushing him for a suicide, because the dead make for easier patsies.

The psycological stress experts IDed this guy as the best prospect for a stress suicide, and decided to drive him to death and hang the case on him.

The real anthrax killers remain free.

JMO.

[Muttocracy]

11. yeah, you're probably right. nt

[Muttocracy]

5. wait, I think it's the other scientist who had been sober - Ivins was driven to drink recently? nt

[EFerrari]

8. I also read it as the other scientist who had the time.

But it doesn't matter, finally.

[Junkdrawer]

10. Rereading it, you're right. But there are hints throughout the piece...

that Ivins was in recovery before they leaned on him...

[Muttocracy]

12. oh, yeah, all those stories of refusing a beer after work ~ 5 years ago.

This story just gets worse and worse.

[Supersedeas]

6. some Americans can be proud of?

[Muttocracy]

9. and now we learn the Duley woman had to change her name to escaper her drug past?!

[LiberalHeart]

16. Whittman was her maiden name, wasn't it?

[Muttocracy]

19. oh, maybe that's all - weird the way the article wrote it and I was reading too fast. nt

[suffragette]

13. Tons of info in that article

some of which is inconsistent with the earlier narrative.

Also, lots more on Duley.

First, absolutely agree with you, Junkdrawer. What they've done to him and his family is vile. They destroyed him and the family has been put through extreme harassment. Accosting them in a mall - low down and dirty.

Next, where to start.

So the FBI trying to bribe his son is now getting media coverage.

On Duley: "Jean C. Duley, who worked until recent days for Comprehensive Counseling Associates in Frederick, is licensed as an entry-level drug counselor and was, according to one of her mentors, allowed to work with clients only under supervision of a more-seasoned professional."

So, if this was the case, who was the professional and why didn't they start process against Duley the minute he made the threats Duley alleges he did in the group session? Makes no sense.

And how do "two sets of therapy sessions" add up to a 6 month contact with Duley?

[Junkdrawer]

14. Maybe, just maybe, this is the "At long last, have you no shame" moment...

for this administration...

for the FBI...

for the lapdog media...

[suffragette]

21. It's been a long time coming, hasn't it?

Maybe it is finally here.

[LiberalHeart]

17. Yeah, and how did she have 6 months of contact if she was under house arrest?

[EFerrari]

18. Good question. How? n/t

[suffragette]

22. Very good question

Yet another part that doesn't add up.

[LiberalHeart]

15. Holy manure!

The more that comes out, the more sickening it is. Thanks for the link.

[EFerrari]

20. I want to know where that Eagle Scout Mueller has been

during the time his agency hounded this man to death.

Bob? You should have resigned in 2004. Maybe this man would be alive today.

[Junkdrawer]

24. They'll have to invent a new Merit Badge for this activity...

"Intimidating a Patsy to Suicide"

[Triana]

23. that's a long-standing tradition in the BFEE - finding the most fragile person and implicating...

...him. Goes all the way back to the 1940s ...

[suffragette]

25. K&R for morning readers

[DearAbby]

26. Where is the presumed innocent until proven guilty?

they tried & convicted this man, and tormented his family...this is America?