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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:52 AM
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Anthrax Killer's Therapist's Restraining Order
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 07:58 AM by Prefer
Looks like she was already subpoenaed when she wrote this. Was there already legal pressure on her to produce this? "FBI involved - I have been subpeonaed..."

I don't know, this seems manufactured. Did someone uin the FBI suggest to her that she should get a restraining order?

oop, Bingo! - from Bradblog:
"The Frederick News-Post then notes today that apparently the FBI encouraged Duley to seek the restraining order. "She decided to get the peace order after an FBI agent working the case suggested it," they write."
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6247#more-6247




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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:56 AM
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1. I trust she's a better therapist than speller.
This whole case stinks, and I don't think those of us on DU are the only ones who feel this way.

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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:01 AM
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15. I'm pretty sure she's just as good a therapist as she is a speller
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 10:02 AM by librechik

In fact, I believe this woman is a random psychotic the FBI is exploiting, using her fear of prosecution.

I want to know what drugs Ivins was being counseled out of.
Couldn't be Tylenol and Codeine, could it?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:59 AM
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2. no question the FEDS encouraged her to go--apparently when she herself did not see the
necessity to go ON HER OWN.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:00 AM
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3. odd things
the misspellings. How can a therapist misspell THERAPIST (theripist). Also Psychologist was originally spelled wrong and then crossed out and re-spelled.

Testify is misspelled (tetisfy). Subpoena is spelled correctly, but not used correctly.

The handwriting is erratic and does not flow well. Small to large, tilted. Print and cursive. Looks like the handwriting of an 8th grader, or someone who is drunk.

Someone else in another thread brought up the idea that maybe this woman's account and spelling is so blatantly...wrong...as a subtle way to inform others that she was under duress when writing this account. I think that my family would be suspicious if I wrote a note and misspelled my professional title, Registered Nurse, or wrote in a way that was not normal for me, not my regular handwriting or vernacular....
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:20 AM
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6. she appear to have been under severe duress when she wrote that
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:30 AM
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9. I think
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 08:32 AM by Heddi
when she wrote this

1) she was copying word for word what someone was telling her as they were telling it to her. A quick dictation if you will. That's why there's the disjointed and unnatural cadence to what is written because she couldn't keep up with what was being said and key parts of grammar are missing

2) she is under the influence of some substance. Alcohol. Drugs. I don't know, but I am a nurse, take care of inebriated patients on a nightly basis, and my very unprofessional and unsubstantiated opinion is that her handwriting is like handwriting I have seen from people who are very drunk or very high/stoned/whatever

3) she was under duress and wrote this way out of fear

4) she was under duress and wrote this in such a way as to make red flags for anyone who read this and who happened to know her and know her style of writing, spelling, grammar, diction, etc.

5) she's a batshit loon that really can't spell therapist or psychologist or testify and has the handwriting of an 8th grader with mild chromosomal abnormalities. I mean, I do know several adults that have atrocious handwriting and spelling, not even being able to spell their professional title or place of business correctly. I mean to say that I work with nurses who cannot spell "registered nurse" or "hospital" correctly. Yes, I'm serious

6) Her accusations are correct. The guy in question was a homicidal and psychopathic killer. She felt threatened by him. She wrote the account she felt necessary to get a restraining order against him. Her handwriting and grammar/spelling/diction are not important because that is how she writes and spells. She was never good in the English classes, but with spell-check, was able to get through her degree-seeking program with acceptable grades.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:01 AM
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11. Someone who is under pressure - say by someone looking over
their shoulder - may make stupid mistakes AND scribble.

Just saying..... :tinfoilhat:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:15 AM
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4. Wow, she obviously didn't do very well in English
and Spelling. :eyes:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:25 AM
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8. Can't spell "therapist" or "testify," but correctly spells "subpoena."
I misspell subpeona about 50% of the time, but spell-check catches it (subpoena!, you idiot!). That's why I never submit hand-written, unedited documents for public consumption.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:55 AM
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14. I always mispronounce it accidentally on purpose
(LOL) sub-poEENA, and then I never forget.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:19 AM
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5. They probably put the squeeze on her
Threating to charge her with some crime if she did not co operate.
That works most of the time.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:20 AM
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13. Bingo
Thats why she needed lawyers and lost her job.
Duley's had trouble with drugs and /or alchohol.
Bet she got caught using.

FBI has got a foot on her neck.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:24 AM
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7. Yes, I have read this and there seems to be a lot wrong with it.
First off, it was definitely coached and second, I don't think she would have had all the deliberation details. The bad writing aside, she gives the goivernment's case as if a court expert for the prosecution. A restraining order need only give threats against her.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:34 AM
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10. exactly
Why doesn't she say "he threatened to cut my tits off" or whatever it was that he said or did that made her seek a restraining order. Having hear-say accusations from a psychiatriast that he's a homicidial maniac without any PROOF of that is hardly a way to get a restraining order. I mean, you just don't get a protective order because you THINK someone's crazy. Or you HEARD they were disjointed. Usually you have to have some, you know, compelling evidence to even get CLOSE to getting that piece of paper
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:07 AM
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12. Any handwriting analysts in the house here?
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 09:18 AM by Whoa_Nelly
Also needed: Clippie, the Grammar and Spell Check-Nazi






Seriously...that "note" looks like it was written by at least two different people.

And what the hell is "tetisfy?
Can it be used in a song to rhyme with "satisfy"?


I can't get no
Tetisfaction
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:39 AM
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16. Some call it a "suggestion", most people call it coercion.
Me thinks me psychologist has something in her past she wants kept buried.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:05 PM
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17. She is almost illiterate. I do NOT believe a word she says. If it was
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 03:06 PM by MasonJar
group therapy, why not get statements from others in the group? That should settle that.
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