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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:07 PM
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Anthrax: FBI Now Considers an affiliation with the AFA and a dislike of the ACLU=Terrorist
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 03:10 PM by kpete
So the FBI is pinning the anthrax terrorism on Ivins' donations to the AFA.

Leahy and Daschle

The FBI then goes on to provide a relatively weak explanation for why Ivins targeted Leahy and Daschle--because they are pro-choice Catholics who opposed (particularly Leahy) PATRIOT. The FBI bases that on an Ivins comment similar to the kind a bunch of wingnuts were uttering in September 2001.

" On September 26, 2001, in an e-mail to a fiend, Dr. Ivins writes "The news media has been saying that some members of Congress and members of the ACLU oppose many of the Justice Department proposals for combating terrorism, saying that they are unconstitutional and infringe too much on civil liberties. Many people don't know it but the official ACLU position is to oppose all metal detectors in airports and schools and other public buildings. It's interesting that we may now be living in a time when our biggest threat to civil liberties and freedom doesn't come from the government but fiom enemies of the government. Osama Bin Laden has just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans, but I guess that doesn't mean a lot to the ACLU. Maybe I should move to Canada. . . ."

So I guess the FBI now considers an affiliation with the AFA and a dislike of the ACLU to be probably cause that a person is a terrorist?

Well, that's the probable cause behind the first search warrant. I'll grant that the laboratory-specific stuff is pretty damning. But the stuff that goes to motive? We'd have to indict half of Michelle Malkin's readers if that stuff amounted to probable cause.

And, given what I said in my last post, I'll repeat that if an obsession about anthrax vaccines amounts to probable cause, Scooter Libby is as likely a culprit as Bruce Ivins.

more at:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/06/the-case-against-ivins-search-warrant-one/#more-2543
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:08 PM
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1. AFA?
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 03:09 PM by Radical Activist
Spelling it out once in the post would help. In fact the whole post is kind of confusing. Guess I'm not up on the background.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:11 PM
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3. American Family Association.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:10 PM
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2. They also used his "many letters to Senators" as a reason he was guilty
How many here would fit THAT definition?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:12 PM
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4. I send nasty letters to my Rep. and Senators regularly..
I'm stuck with a blue dog dem and two Repukes, so I can't help it.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:25 PM
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8. that one floored me. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:49 PM
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11. I'd like to see those letters, if they exist. n/t
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:13 PM
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5. Well, that's refreshing.
It used to be liking the ACLU and not liking the conservative AFA made you a terrorist.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:13 PM
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6. good one...
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:14 PM
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7. Closer to 90%
It's not a motive it's a conspiracy theory. Why not arrest the whole terrorist group.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:32 PM
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9. It stinks.
It stinks to high heaven.

This was probably just one of many False Flag attacks conducted by the Bush administration.

There could be another to initiate a war with Iran.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:48 PM
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10. Time to raid the American Enterprise Institute!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:49 PM
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12. So why did 'he' target the photographer
who published those naughty Bush girls photos.
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:55 PM
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13. Yeah, interesting
how they conveniently neglected to omit that murder from the discussions.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:59 PM
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14. More and more serious people asking good questions:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/4/anthrax

But of course now we can stop looking. Right?

Why was he proscribed Tylenol with codeine? Do we know?
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