Ivins-His most recent statement regarding the attacks came two days ago on Wednesday-he revealed...

[kpete]

ODD, yes odd, kp

This is from a July 11, 2008 affidavit seeking a search warrant.

Ivins-His most recent statement regarding the attacks came two days a
His most recent statement regarding the attacks came two days ago on Wednesday, July 9,2008. While at a group therapy session in Frederick, Maryland, he revealed to the Licensed Clinical Social Worker and other members of the group that he was a suspect in this investigation. He stated that he was a suspect in the anthrax investigation and that he was angry at the investigators, the government, and the system in general. He said he was not going to face the death penalty, but instead had a plan to kill co-workers and other individuals who had wronged him. He said he had a bullet-proof vest, and a list of co-workers, and added that he was going to obtain a Glock firearm from his son within the next day, because federal agents are watching him and he could not obtain a weapon on his own. Based on these statements, the Social Worker called the Frederick, Maryland, police department, and they took custody of Bruce Edwards Ivins on Thursday, July 10,2008, for a forensic evaluation at Frederick Memorial Hospital, where he remains as of this writing.

http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/08-433%20affidavit.pdf

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http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/08-082-M-01%20search%20warrant%20return.pdf

[MadMaddie]

1. and then he was conveniently released for making Terroristic

threats? And then he commits suicide?

Sorry too convenient and too nicely wrapped with a bow.

[RC]

10. I still haven't heard anything to convince me that he wasn't suicided.

[MadMaddie]

12. Agreed! I think he was mentally losing it and he was going

to spill the beans over what he had done and who ordered it. I am also betting someone had a little chat with him...someone who would have unfettered access, someone who would not be questioned, ..someone who has no problem shooting friends in the face and someone who has no problems setting up an individual for a fall.

Someones hands are all over this...:tinfoilhat:

[EFerrari]

17. We have no proof he did anything. He passed two polygraphs

and his home and car were clean. :shrug:

[MadMaddie]

19. Well there is that "framed" option also

I don't buy any of it and I don't think many Americans do either....

[EFerrari]

21. If FBI had so much on him, why did they need to recruit

a newly graduated low level mental health worker to repeat wild, unsubstantiated talking points in public and spark a media storm? That lady had about zero sobriety and money problems. They call her a "licensed clinical social worker" in their docs when she was no such thing.

It stinks.

If their case was decent, he'd be in custody right now, not dead.

[MadMaddie]

23. No real Psychologist would air any of the stuff this woman

did...

If the FBI had so much evidence this guy should have been arrested two or three years ago.

[Muttocracy]

2. wait, so not because he was a bioterrorist but because he might go postal? nt

[marylanddem]

3. Everything about this Ivins thing is bizarre

Including a "therapist" who spells her profession as "theripist"
From what I've read about her, she was not a "social worker" as we know it, but rather an addict who somehow qualified to counsel other addicts.

[EFerrari]

4. And who has had several recent slips. n/t

[marylanddem]

7. Yep.

[EFerrari]

5. Who is this licensed clinical social worker?

Duley claims to be the program director and she isn't one of those. :shrug:

[bicentennial_baby]

6. That's what I was wondering...

:hi:

[marylanddem]

8. Me too.

[EFerrari]

9. So, his son, all the members of his group and the recipients of

SCORES of emails -- that's units of 20, right? -- all haven't come forward?

Wow. That's more than I could do. :shrug:

[L. Coyote]

11. I don't know if this is relevant here or not, but

there are many ways to make people go postal, or become less than credible, not the least of which is psychotomimetic substances in low and continuous dosages. Even the victim does not realize that someone else is responsible for their mood and behavior alterations. In larger doses, it can be an effective covert method to induce suicide, accidents, or law enforcement contacts that result in death or mental illness diagnosis.

There are lots of ways to make "political enemies" behave abnormally, even to doubt themselves and their own sanity.

[EFerrari]

16. They seem to have played him like a violin. n/t

[librechik]

18. ! n/t

[defendandprotect]

13. Sounds like more BS . . . not believable --- and I don't know how

many were in the group . . . but the investment of the FBI/government in smearing

this man seems to be heavy --- !!! $1.5 million promised to the son --- and a sports car?!!

What are they promising to those in the therapy group who probably all have problems

with addiction and maybe criminal records---????

[EFerrari]

15. But we know our government would NEVER fabricate evidence, right?

:shrug:

[screembloodymurder]

14. I'd be pissed too.

Empty threats made under extreme duress. As for the vest and gun, he needed protection from the FBI.

[LuckyLib]

20. Ms. "Theripist" should have excused herself and called authorities to pick him up immediately.

Confidentiality or no, any adult who spouts off like that needs to be taken very seriously. He should have been walked out of there in handcuffs.

[EFerrari]

22. If it happened. n/t

[skip fox]

24. The more I read about this the stranger it seems. But if it IS a set-up

the more people involved (including therapist and other people there) means it's more likely to come out if something is amiss . . . like the gov. trying to stop the investigation by killing off their suspect.

More and more people are asking questions about this:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/4/anthrax

[EFerrari]

25. That's a great segment and it demolishes the FBI case.

I agree. There are already colleagues, former co-workers, neighbors and friends raising question.

The problem with that is that we all mostly want to believe our government, anthrax is scary and so is mental illness. Even if all of those people know better, they have a hard job pushing back against all of that. But, I hope they do keep pushing. Because the FBI's case is slim to none and until we know what happened, we are at risk.