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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 05:06 PM
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Bushco's Law: 'ANY Belligerency By "Nonprivileged Persons" Is NOW A War Crime'-Marty Lederman
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 05:34 PM by kpete
Wednesday, August 06, 2008

What Are the "War Crimes" For Which Hamdan Was Convicted?

Marty Lederman


Under current U.S. domestic law, this alleged conduct would be a crime. Between 1996 and late 2001, however, such conduct was probably not criminal under U.S. domestic law. In any event, Hamdan was not tried for violating U.S. domestic law -- he was convicted for violating an alleged law of war.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/d2007Hamdan%20-%20Notification%20of%20Sworn%20Charges.pdf

This raises at least two huge legal questions. First, the charges themselves require that there have been an "armed conflict" during the period in question -- and the laws of war only permit trial of offenses committed within the period of an armed conflict. It's not clear which, if any, of Hamdan's alleged acts occurred after September 11, 2001 -- and it also is uncertain whether the conflict that triggers the laws of armed conflict commenced before 9/11/01, when al Qaeda engaged in other terrorist acts against the U.S. Four Justices in Hamdan thought the armed conflict did not begin until September 2001 (see note 31 of the Stevens opinion); but it remains an unresolved question.

Second, it is not clear that Hamdan's conduct of "material support" to terrorism (and, in Specification 2, to al Qaeda), in the form of of transportation and "body guard" services, was conduct that violated the laws of war in the period from 1996 to 2001. Judge Allred ruled (see page 2 here) that if such conduct was not a war crime at the relevant time, then Congress is barred by the Ex post Facto Clause from designating such conduct as a war crime after the fact. Were these forms of "material support" to terrorist acts -- or, even more broadly,to an organization that commits terrorist acts (Specification 2) -- a violation of the laws of war between 1996 and 2001? A very interesting and important question. See pages 3-6 of Judge Allred's opinion, in which he holds that even though there is no recognition of such a war crime in any international instruments, or U.S. field manuals, and even though the Congressional Research Service found no historical support for it, there is some evidence of similar "support" conduct being tried by military tribunals in the Civil War, and thus it was within Congress's broad authority under the Law of Nations Clause to determine that such conduct was a war crime when Hamdan acted. Whether that holding is correct will be a major issue on appeal.

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Perhaps even more important are the charges on which Hamdan was acquitted, at least three of which deal with the allegation that he was delivering surface-to-air missiles to the Taliban in Afghanistan. Now, such a delivery of missiles would probably make someone detainable. But what's the theory under which it is a war crime? The government's argument is that any attempt, like this one, to aid in the killing of U.S. forces on a battlefield is a violation of the laws of armed conflict if it is committed by an unprivileged combatant, i.e., a nonuniformed person.

This is a fairly radical theory -- that any belligerency by nonprivileged persons is itself a war crime. If I'm not mistaken, it would mean that CIA officials and many U.S. Special Forces are not only regularly violating the domestic laws of the nations where they operate, but are committing war crimes. Can that be right? Kevin Heller doesn't think so. Yet that is the basis of many of the war crimes charges the Pentagon has brought against other detainees. Judge Allred's charge to the jury in the Hamdan case failed to reflect the government's broad theory, and the jury acquitted Hamdan of the charges as they were specified by Judge Allred. The answer to this important question, then, apparently will have to await another case.

more at:
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-are-war-crimes-for-which-hamdan.html
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 05:20 PM
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1. In a nutshell
it would seem that his "crime" was in not wearing a recognised uniform. A fact to which I would guess most "insurgents" whatever will soon wise up.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 05:22 PM
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2. "not wearing a recognised uniform"
EXACTLY!, kp
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 05:38 PM
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4. In other words, the fashion police reign.
:eyes:

The Cheney/Bush regime are so far through the looking glass in a totally logic-free world that there's no possible way to impose reason and logic on their behavior. None.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 05:31 PM
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3. Ruh Roh! Osama's French maid better run!
His nanny and butler too. The Republics recognize the servant class on sight.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 06:35 PM
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5. so basically, the american revolutionaries were war criminals?
because they didn't stand in uniform and in proper columns, right?

that was the british argument, wasn't it?

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:15 PM
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6. It also means fighting back against illegal invaders is "committing war crimes".
NT!

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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 07:30 PM
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7. Illegally trying somebody for a War Crime would be a Crime Against Humanity...
no? Trying somebody for a crime using laws of Ex Post Facto is egregious, a high crime, and should be met with impeachment and a subsequent criminal trial. Alas.....
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:06 PM
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8. well see, they're only crimes
if someone else did it. if we do it, it's legal.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:52 PM
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9. Does this mean that factory workers need to wear military uniforms?
Is it a war crime to build arms if you are not wearing a recognized uniform?
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