Thank You President Bush

[AllentownJake]

President Bush,

I just want to thank you for destroying America's ability to stand on any leg with the current crisis in Georgia. Your pre-emptive war in Iraq has now given the go ahead to all large countries to invade their smaller neighboors for pre-emptive reasons. You've created a world where we can no longer criticise tyrants and thugs like Putin and it will take 25-50 years before America has the moral standing it had after you left office assuming someone of decent moral character occupies the oval office.

Thank you for making the United States and the rest of the world a less safe place to live.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. It's really amusing, isn't it,

to watch Fuckface ostensibly scold Russia for invading Georgia?

Yes, we're all the way through the looking glass now.

[AllentownJake]

3. It be amusing if the political reality in Europe

Wasn't being set back 100 years.

[Mike Nelson]

2. Great post

the Bush policy should have all nations frightened

[izquierdista]

4. Will you quit shilling for the Georgians?

Let me guess, you are Georgian on both sides of your family and see absolutely nothing wrong with the way the Georgian government has acted in all that led up to this, right?

How about dialing back the violence on BOTH sides, get some UN peacekeepers in to separate the armed camps, and try to negotiate which neighborhoods will speak Russian and which neighborhoods will speak Georgian? Get everyone to lay down their arms and learn to live with people who are not exactly like them. And as for the Americans, they should butt out unless they want to host some kind of negotiation. Certainly, they shouldn't be arming/training/spying for either side.

[AllentownJake]

7. Actually I'm Swiss-Irish

This isn't about Georgia this is about the re-emergence of Russia as a threat to Europe and using black mail over the past 3 years with naturual gas to get their way.

Do I see things wrong with Georgia...Yes. I also believe that South Ossetia was starting shit as well at the encouragement of the Russians. Georgia took the bait.

We didn't help matters either by not emphasizing to Georgia not to take Russia's bait.

I didn't know it was a liberal position to not like the idea of re-emerging Russian Empire under the control of Tsar Putin I.

[izquierdista]

9. Protecting ethnic minorities is a liberal position

Which is where Russians living in South Ossetia find themselves to be in today's world. Putin is stepping in primarily to protect ethnic Russians and I will save judgment about this being about toppling the Georgian government or grabbing the trans-Caucasus pipeline until later. If they push beyond Abkhazia or South Ossetia, then I will question the Russians' motives.

There is much discrimination being hatched in Eastern Europe, spurred on by NATO or the EU or the US waving some prize if only one group will turn on their former Communist bloc neighbors and treat them like shit. Crossing the border from the former Soviet Union into the EU really highlights it, as I experienced traveling from Ukraine into Poland. The new EU state is a modern, civilized country and they treat the FSU citizens trying to cross like refugees with typhoid. I'm still convinced that left to their own devices, Eastern Europeans could work out their differences, now as equals instead of the Russians being more equal than all the rest. What really stirs up the shit is when outsiders who were glad when their economies went into the toilet fly in waving money to see which group will prostitute themselves first.

[AllentownJake]

10. After Chechnya

the poisoning of journalist, the poisoning of the Ukranian President, the gas shut offs.

I can't believe Russia is suddenly a force for human rights in the world.

By the way the Western Europe was built up over 50 years after WWII Eastern Europe was second class citizens to the Soviet Empire for 50 years...do you think that might have anything to do with Eastern Europe's current situation. Infrastructure doesn't build itself in a day as the US is finding out right now with our own collapsing bridges.

[knitter4democracy]

14. Exactly!

As much as I love Russia and revere and respect my patriarch, I'm more than a little concerned with the direction they're headed in on this. They have expanded the front into Georgian territory, and it's getting worse by the hour.

[AllentownJake]

15. No problem with the Russian people

However Putin scares the shit out of me. The fact that he's still there after two terms as President shows he isn't ever going to relinquish power.

It would be like if McCain wins and he makes Cheney Speaker of the House.

[Blue_Roses]

18. now that is a horrible, horrible thought

:scared:

[izquierdista]

20. But these are their own

They wouldn't give a shit if these people living in South Ossetia were anything but Russian. Since they are, they will beat the hell out of whoever is giving them trouble. Just think of them as a big dysfunctional family -- kind of like Al Bundy's.

Yes, infrastructure doesn't build itself in a day, but Poland has made amazing progress in the last 10 years. A little more progress and all the Polaks in Chicago who left because Poland was a dump in the '80s and '90s will leave because of America's deterioration.

[knitter4democracy]

21. So were the Chechens in the first war there after the fall.

That was Yeltsin's reason for going in, or one of them at least.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

11. omg,...this is the funniest "talks" I've read on DU. Please continue.

[AllentownJake]

16. I don't know what to make of that

[no limit]

17. You really are quite naive

in case you haven't noticed Russia already went past south ossetia today. There is no indication they are willing to stop. So please, do come up with a new excuse, this one isn't working any more.

I love the fact that people here would actually argue that Russia should be the new world police, it's as if some of you haven't learned shit in the past 8 years. Russia's mission here has as much to do with human rights as our Iraq mission did. Grow up.

[AllentownJake]

19. There seems to be a problem after the past 8 years

that is Bush's fault that American citizens will instantly take the opposite side of the government becuase the government has lied so much. Bush is the boy who cried wolf right now.

[nerddem]

8. haha

w.w.c.d?

[tblue]

13. Can we do that in Darfur first, pls.?

And remember, one 'camp' is unarmed.

[Swamp Rat]

5. It's down hill from here ......... steeper and steeper and steeper and steeper and steeper .........

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

6. BUSH THE BUTCHER,....is more like, reality. Unilateral action by unitary executive spells,....

,...D-I-C-T-A-T-O-R-S-H-I-P!

The BushCO neocons are tyrants who should be prosecuted not only for war crimes but also treason (having intentionally organized a campaign of deception AGAINST THIS COUNTRY'S NATIONAL INTEREST AND SECURITY), punishable by DEATH DEATH DEATH which those over-inflated ego maniacs advocate and mock because they figure themselves demi-gods, the worst human evil.

[Kazak]

12. Hey, while we're at it, thanks for relaxing protected species regulations too, buddy.

With friends like these, who needs enemas?

:mad: