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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:01 PM
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Help!! My head is exploding! McCain rally in York Pa. Rant
Of interest, I did get interviewed by talk radio (910) . . .that is one of the local Lumbaugh stations (all we have around here). . .
the reporter liked my answer but I doubt it will get air time.
First, though, the reporter asked the woman behind me what her impression was. She was very unsure, uncertain, and the timidity
and uncertainty clearly came through in her voice as she said: "He definitely seems experienced and qualified". There
was no 'definitely' in the tone of her voice. She looked and sounded dazed and confused. In no way was she fired up
and ready to go. (But I sure am!!!)

Her problem was that she didn't know anything more when she left then when she went in, I can attest to that.

I turned around and said into the radio recorder: I'll tell you what my impression is. He didn't have an answer or a plan for anything. For energy,
our industries will take care of that. For poverty, Bill Gates is taking care of that. For other things, yes we need to
address that. . . but no plans for anything. I said I thought McCain was about change. He just said everything is fine
as it is, or offered no plans.

I hope McCain comes near here again. He said he is going to do a city by city bus tour. I will be there. But this time,
I will shout out after his 'answers' But what are YOU going to DO about it? WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR ACTION?

Here's what I heard today, as my blood pressure rose and my face was clearly glowing an angry red (and for an hour afterwords).

Energy: America has always been the leader. Americans created every useful advance and invention ever done (that's a crock).
Summary: the problem will be handled by our industry. USA USA USA. His plan for action? None given. (I guess energy issues are psychological too).

Housing: People should be able to get a HUD loan for the CURRENT VALUE of their homes at a fixed rate. Ok, so if you only owe the current value,
you might not be in that much trouble anyway. What do you do about the other $25k you still owe??

Extreme poverty causing terrorism: McCain nicely had a group of young people from ONE, who just came back from volunteering
in Rwanda. He gave them a nice little talk up (of course, his subliminal point being hey, volunteers, that's the way, no government!@!!)
Then he let one of them speak. And that one young man said As it is well known that extreme poverty such as that in the 3rd world
is a major cause of terrorism and other disruptions in the world, what will YOU do as President to alleviate this poverty? McCain't's answer:
Bill Gates is handling that. He was given an opening on terrorism and his answer: Bill Gates. Gee, is Gates running for Pres too? Of course he
can't support eradicating 3rd world poverty because that would destroy his base's advantage of economic colonialism. ARRGGHHHH.

Vet's benefits: Rah rah sys boom bah our US soldiers are the greatest in the world. Let's applaud them. And we should give them a little
white card so that for NORMAL CARE they can go to a local hospital. NORMAL? care??? So, someone like my Mom's friend who ends up hospitalized
several months a year will still have to drive 150 miles . . . but then, if he dies on the way to the hospital, hey, we saved money!!!!!! AAAHHHHHH!
My husband's vet friend dropped dead of a heart attack while waiting the months required for an appointment. He wasn't even 50 yet, and he dropped
dead in his wheelchair waiting for this country to give him what he earned in active combat.

Agriculture: a woman who owns a family farm that has been in her family for many generations asked how he would help the little farmers to
survive. The little farmers who feed all of us local Pennsylvanians. His answer: Free trade with Colombia and the rest of the world.
Europe rejects our farm goods because they are genetically modified and our meats are loaded with chemicals and hormones. Our genentically modified
seeds provide plants that are sterile, so 3rd world subsistence farmers must re-buy seed every year out of their near-starvation level incomes. That's
why farmers have a tough time exporting. Free trade won't eliminate that. Did McCain offer help for this woman's family?????

Higher education: A young man said he was a former Hillary supporter and now he wanted to find answers on issues. He spoke of struggling to get
through college and didn't know how he would ever pay off his debts. McCain's response: We need to do something (what I say what what what???) to
support math and science education. Next he smugly bragged about his daughter's recent graduation with a degree in Art (I thought ouch that's like
rubbing it in the face of a student who doesn't have a rich daddy. Ignorant). Then he speaks of how we already have programs to handle this issue,
like the one that covers Teacher's tuition and the Peace Corps, etc., and adds we should expand on those types of things (compare to Obama's specifics).
Finally, he says we need to do that (ever-elusive) "something" about the credit situation so students can get loans. The guy asking the question HAS
loans . . . it was THAT burden that was killing him.

Health care: McCain proposes a $5000 per family (or $2500 per individual though he didn't mention that) tax credit for health care. If the individual
chooses an 'innovative' program (I interpret that as doesn't cover crap) costing less, the additional credit can be put in a health savings plan . . .
per his website, he didn't bring that part up. I don't know anyone paying $5000 a year in Fed taxes. My family's earnings over the past 5 years have
been $65-$85k, and last year we paid less than $2000. Our only investment is our home that we bought 2 years ago, and we got a $600 credit for buying
a hybrid Toyota Camry. SO how does this credit help people who don't pay $5000 in taxes? I called two different numbers for McCain. They couldn't tell
me. I asked the first person to find someone who could answer the question. No one could (what I expected). The second number there was just one
lonely old guy to answer the phone, who knew nothing. He said You really want some detailed information. I said, if we don't and if McCain doesn't know
what good a $5000 tax credit is to someone who pays $1000 a year in taxes, what good is this plan? He said, I agree. You are right. We had a nice long
chat and I told him all about Obama. He admitted he knew nothing. He said all the politicians just talk. I said Obama has integrity and told him of his
community service work. I said I always check out the backgrounds of people. I said my husband used to love McCain but now he is very angry and doesn't
know whether the McCain of 2000 is running or this other McCain. (Hubby is a volunteer for Obama, now.) This poor old man pays $1500 a month for his
health care. He said (nicely) that I could vote for Obama if I wanted a tax increase. I said, actually, our taxes will decrease an additional $200 a year
under Obama's plan as opposed to McCains. He said, oh really? I didn't know that. I don't pay that much attention. After our talk, I'm thinking that
while he sits there, lonely, just waiting for the phone to ring, he'll be thinking about Obama.

If someone earning $25-$40 a year ends up with an excess tax credit because in that first year they could not AFFORD health insurance, then what???
Do they even get the credit? McCain's website says: that tax credit can be rolled into a Health Savings Plan, giving them exactly $5000 in health
care the next year - IF the plan will let them withdraw it for each specific health care need they have. What does $5000 cover????? Not squat.
Also, there are so many restrictions on withdrawing funds from my husband's employers health savings plan, it is useless. We're better off putting
it into a regular savings account, because that way if we don't need it for an 'approved' expense, we can still have the money the next year to use
for our health care needs. If it is in the health care savings plan, they tell us what is a qualified expense in their beaurocratic definition of a
medical need. And of course, pre-approval is required. Unless you die first.

McCain's volunteers do not understand his health care plan, and they are surprised that someone does want to understand.

Well, enough ranting. Thanks for the opportunity. My blood pressure is down a bit. But I remain fired up and ready to go. Gotta clean the house
for our Obama Team Meeting tomorrow night. I learned from the McCain meeting (once again) that Republicans are clueless. That doesn't mean they
don't want answers . . . just that they need to be spoonfed. I can see LOTS of opportunities here! I need to explain McCain's 'plans' as well
as Obamas. Pretty much all McCain does is say, oh yes we need to address that. He talks like Schwarnegger (spel?) by explaining to everyone what
the problem is for an extended time, and then says, we need to address that. Plans? None.



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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:05 PM
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1. K&R
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:08 PM
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2. How many people were in attendance at the "rally"?
And thanks for the report! Recommend.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:58 PM
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8. I'm not good at head counting. BUT I arrived at 12, parked very
close to the building, and walked right in. They didn't even check tickets because there was room for many more people. There were empty seats and very few people standing...maybe 20 standing, like me, near the exit. The *&^% Repub owned local paper said the Repubs were 'expecting' 5000. However, as of yesterday, they claimed giving out
2000 tickets and said plenty would be left.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:08 PM
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3. Did he mention the layoffs at the Harley Davidson plant in York Co.?
http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=4/17/2008&id=38480

THURSDAY, April 17, 2008, 7:12 a.m.
By Rick Barrett
Harley to cut 730 jobs, idle plants

Harley-Davidson Inc. (HOG) said this morning it plans to cut 730 jobs - the most since the 1980s - and idle plants this year as motorcycle sales have slowed dramatically.

The Milwaukee maker of heavyweight motorcycles said first-quarter earnings fell 2.5%, and motorcycle sales dropped almost 13% in the U.S.

Harley CEO Jim Ziemer said the company has been monitoring U.S. motorcycle sales and would cut shipments to dealers so they wouldn't be stuck with unsold bikes. The company plans to cut this year's shipments by between 23,000 and 27,000 bikes, which means they expect to ship from 303,500 to 307,500 motorcycles for the full year, at least 7% below last year's 330,619.

"From my vantage point, it's unclear when the U.S. economy will recover," Ziemer said in a conference call with analysts.

Harley will temporarily idle plants and change daily production rates, Ziemer said. These changes will result in the permanent loss of about 370 unionized employees over the next several months, he said. In addition, Harley said it will cut about 360 non-production jobs.

Harley-Davidson has about 5,600 production workers and 3,560 non-production workers.

About 80% of the unionized work force job cuts will take place at Harley's plant in York, Pa., the largest plant in the Harley system. Another 14% of the plant-worker cuts will come from Harley's plants in Wisconsin, according to Ziemer.

snip>

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/local/local_story_171100942.html
Published: June 19, 2008 10:09 am
Harley-Davidson plans York County layoffs
Associated Press

YORK, Pa. — Harley Davidson says it is laying off an unspecified number of employees in York County next week.

The motorcycle maker says the temporary layoff is in addition to a June 30-through-July 3 shutdown at the Springettsbury Township plant. That closing is for annual line changes to switch to manufacturing motorcycles for the next model year.

The plant closed for four days last fall to cut back on production, and Harley said in April more layoffs are in store. Harley’s first quarter earnings released April 17 showed weakness in the North American market.

The company also says it plans to permanently cut about 300 workers from the York County plant. Harley spokesman Bob Klein says potential retirees are receiving information about early retirement, though he knows of no offers being made.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:01 PM
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9. Nope. Not a word. A friend of ours works at Harley. The poop we
hear is that the managers there need to be on Prozac, because management constantly threatens to go overseas with jobs if they don't cut costs. Yet from what I understand, Harley
is incredibly profitable. Another odd thing: more people will likely purchase / use motorcycles to cut their travel costs, I would think.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:22 PM
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4. K&R!
:)
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:08 PM
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5. Debj, thanks.
I live near Reading, but somehow missed his appearance....

We have had the Hershey candy plant closing recently, permanent layoffs for hundreds, many entire families for several generations worked there.
FWIW, Hershey chocolate candy is now being made in Mexico, but it is still smaller and costs more.
We have lost a regional retail chain, Boscovs. They were laying off long term employees for a year or more, just declared backruptcy, and stopped paying those employees their severance pay.

We in PA have a state medical insurance program for low-income folks, but the biggest local hospital just decided they won't accept the insurance. Doesn't pay enough.

We don't need a jerk like McCain - he would just hasten this country's demise.

mark
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:05 PM
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10. Hi Mark. York International is now owned by an overseas company.
Then there was Earthlink that closed an office somewhere near York, eliminated 400 jobs here, and took them overseas, I think 2 years ago or so. (I hate buying things at Office Max with a card because they use Earthlink.) Oh yes and the pottery company: Thomasville, was it called? That had been here forever (early 1800s??) was sold and the plant closed, with the pottery now sold under that name made overseas.

The main job openings in York are for Social Services and Drug Counselling Services.

Sometime last year I read that Pa ranks 48 out of 50 states as far as economic/job opportunities, and York County was either dead last or very close.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:08 PM
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11. WHAT!? Hershey's Pennsylvania plant closed!? WTF!?
Damn, when did that happen!?


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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:17 AM
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14. A few months ago....very sad.....THANKS FOR NOTHING NAFTA!..n/t
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:26 PM
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15. NAFTA!?
You know, I'm starting to think that no matter which law exists, the GOP will find a way to intentionally misinterpret it to benefit themselves.

Take FISA for instance.


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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:07 AM
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13. They should move the amusement park to Mexico, too. /nt
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:20 PM
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6. Thanks for the report, Deb! He was in Erie yesterday, but
couldn't afford the gas to get there to exercise my "right" of free speech.

I may have become apoplectic and had a stroke listening to that damn war criminal.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:26 PM
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7. You got an 'eye'. Very good. K&R
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:41 PM
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12. Your calling BS by it's real name, McLame.
I pay attention to what McLame says and most of the time, it makes no sense whatsoever. He talks alot of nothing about everything except his pet projects; WAR and DRILLING and even then, it's pretty clear he has no clue what he's talking about.

I've seen a few of his townhalls online and noticed when he's faced with real life questions about real issues (the DHL lady, the cap wearing Vet who asked Mclame about his voting record or at the Urban League when he was asked about controlling crime, Affirmative Action and his MLK vote); Mccain is confused or his answers become muddy and clumsy and sometimes he actually seems frustrated and a bit peeved that he's being asked these questions at all :S.

I always wondered about those who attend his townhalls; if they've actually been paying attention to the answers he gives (or non answers), did they feel that he addressed their issues or did he seem genuinely willing to help solve the problems facing the poor and middle class.

Or are they just looking at the shiny wrapper and buying the rheotric simply because it bears the letter (R).

I'm just curious, not sure if he'll ever come this way but if he does, I'd like to do what you did today. Maybe even open up some of those closed minds sitting in his audience.

You are a trooper!! Great job!
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