Quick Question: Who's more powerful? The Government of the United States or Big Business or What?

[Octafish]

And I'm talking about the current government, with, ostensibly three branches.

If yours is not listed, please vote "Other" and tell us who or what you believe is the most powerful organization on the planet.

I vote for Organized Crime, because of the narcotics trade, it may be the only business bigger than petroleum.

[H2O Man]

1. "All of the above"

* Note: The narcotics trade depends quite a bit on oil, as well.

[blm]

3. BFEE -

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[Octafish]

5. Agree wholeheartedly -- but I had to vote what I said I was going to vote.

My reason, at the time, was that it is what drives all of the above.
Some have no conscience, acting like a little pilot inside each of the Hydra's heads.
After reading what you wrote, though, I like your answer.



Brother H20 Man, I’m so old, I remember when the Government of the United States meant “We the People.”

[Mnemosyne]

11. Other on poll. Remember when DHS

was the Dept. of HUMAN Services? I only finally stopped thinking that in the last year or so. :crazy:

'Homeland" just doesn't want to compute.

Would you happen to remember * in SA in 2005, iirc, Argentina? He was totally hammered and holding onto the podium to remain upright? It was on cspan and even my nephews, then 8 and 10, knew * was completely toasted while watching it at their (alcoholic) father's house. They know trashed when they see it.

I have searched numerous times since then, nada. Certainly not on the WH site under "speeches" given by the chimp.

Thanks for any info!

@@@Other includes BFEE, but it is more those you never see or hear about much, if ever.

[H2O Man]

14. I'm reading Ron Suskind's

new book, "The Way of the World." The part about the OVP trying to get forged document(s) is what is getting some headlines. But much of the rest of the book is more chilling. Those who understand and appreciate this thread would do well to read the book.

"Who can do battle with the Beast?" It's where we are today.

[lumberjack_jeff]

2. Who is more powerful, the horse or the jockey? n/t

[Octafish]

8. Now THAT's a Great Question!

My answer would be "Neither. Greater still is that which gives both breath."



English crop circle formed the morning of August 8, 2008

[stillcool]

4. The Pentagon..

or the war industry.

[Octafish]

9. That Cash Cow Calls a Lot of Shots

A trillion is what we're spending on defense.



Carlyle Group. Halliburton. ExxonMobil...

We can't even account for trillions.

[Uncle Joe]

6. I hate using this analogy considering your handle but I've come to view

all of the above as different tentacles of the same octopus.

Thanks for the thread, Octafish.

P.S. I would add the corporate media propaganda arm as well to the list.

[Octafish]

10. Thank you, Uncle Joe!

And you are most welcome!

Thank you for the kind words and thank you for the analogy.

An octopus is exactly what We the People face today.

Perhaps one day soon...



Speaking of media, Robert Parry brings up an interesting point regarding ownership in The Democrats' Tiny Megaphone...

[Greyhound]

7. Big business and the energy companies are a part of the MIC. n/t

[Octafish]

15. BFEE has weakened America by shifting manufacturing jobs overseas.

In fact, they've moved whole industries overseas.
Soon, the only jobs worth having in the USA will require 7 years of college.

John "Sphincter" Engler, former governor of Michigan, heads the National Association of Manufacturers.
The sweaty turd claims it's good to "invest" in overseas plants.
That's about as un-American as one can get.
Like the good member of the Bush gang he is,
Engler's only doing what their monied masters want him to do.

[Greyhound]

23. Yes/No BFEE has simply continued to the further the agenda started under Raygun.

The destruction of this country has been done because we, as a people, are prepared to demolish anything, even everything, to keep their perceived "security".

We must remember that there are many of these people out there and they are nearly finished with us.

[BeHereNow]

12. Trick question , EH Octi?

There is no separating the entities you mention.
They are one, otherwise know as fascism.

BHN

[Octafish]

16. Seamless Criminality

I like it. Thank you, BeHereNow.

The game's fixed by a certain class of insider.



It's what Daniel Hopsicker calls "Mobsters sans Frontieres."

Our friends at Hermes Press have it pegged, too: Fascist Capitalism.

[Bucky]

13. you left off one option

The Clenis, which causes all problems.

[Octafish]

17. Sorry, Bucky! It looks like it's going through re-entry.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Apollo_8_reentry,_December_27,_1968.jpg/774px-Apollo_8_reentry,_December_27,_1968.jpg

Apollo 8 reentry, December 27, 1968

[AntiFascist]

18. Maybe I'm foolish but I still think the people hold the power...

if we (as a whole) ever decided to wield it. Most big business is still dependent on a broad base of customers. If enough people really wanted to oust elected officials, it could happen. Even government contracts and deregulation bills need some political support.

The main problem is that we are often dumbed down, lied to, deceived, and/or terrorized by the media, and it clouds our judgement. Special interests have ways of working around the public interest and we are too distracted to notice.

[Swamp Rat]

19. Mammon

:hi: ¡Órale compay!

[RidinMyDonkey]

20. People have the power of course.

People have the power baby! Patti Smith told me so.

I really do believe this. The people are the majority, and while we're content for now if we continue to be pushed we will use our power to redeem the work of fools.

[CrazyDude]

21. So I will answer based upon who controls most of the GDP, and that's big business

The gvernment would be a close second though.

[proud patriot]

22. This question

is a verygood one to ask .