BULLSHIT! McCain blames his lame music taste on a PAVN SAM?

[DemoTex]

ABBA's "Dancing Queen." Lookit, I might be a music elitist (I'm a damn good oboist and I played string bass in a jazz band that did a USO tour to the Dominican Republic during the 1965 revolution there) .. but you would think McCain could come up with something more sophisticated that THAT!

Hell, when I flew the triple-nickle missions (05:55 AM launch) from Cam Rahn Bay, I'd come back and put on Tchaikovsky's 1st Piano Concerto and nap like a baby. To this day, when I hear that piece, I want to sleep. I've got a pretty good short story about a mission over the Ho Chi Minh Trail where I talk about listening to the sentient sounds of Simon & Garfunkel on AFVN Radio.

What a dickhead. Volcano McCain. Time to dust off the old B/S meter:

[lonestarnot]

1. I love that bullshit meter!

[dems_rightnow]

2. Tchaikovsky?

You sound like one of those commie-lovers!

:hippie:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Not only is his taste lame, so is his explanation.

McAnus was a POW from 1969-73, but "Dancing Queen" didn't come out until 1976. Therefore he can't claim that stumbling into a missile was the cause of his musical lameness. If being a POW caused his musical taste to be frozen in time, he should be stuck on "Let It Bleed."

[islandmkl]

5. no freakin' way m.c.johnny was a Stones guy....

no freakin' way....

[C_U_L8R]

6. No he's more of a Mitch Miller type of guy

and maybe some Montavani strings to woo the ladies.

[ColbertWatcher]

9. The only person who knows what kind of music he likes is Joe Lieberman, and...

...only after he tells the old fart.

[DemoTex]

10. Shades of "Good Morning, Vietnam!"

The Eltee.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. In which Adrian Cronauer said:

"You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history."

But I don't want to go there re: McCain.

[KharmaTrain]

17. He Was Captured on October 26, 1967

Let It Bleed wasn't released until December '69...

Here are the Top 10 hits the week Gramps was shot down...

Source: WLS, Chicago

* 1. The Letter................................Box Tops - Mala 1
* 2. Let It Out................................Hombres - Verve 2
* 3. To Sir With Love..............................Lulu - Epic 5
* 4. How Can I Be Sure................Young Rascals - Atlantic 3
* 5. Never My Love.........................Association - W. B. 4
* 6. Rain, Park & Other Things..................Cowsills - MGM 11
* 7. Incense & Peppermints........Strawberry Alarm Clock - Uni 13
* 8. It Must Be Him.......................Vicki Carr - Liberty 7
9. Hey Baby, They're Playing Our Song-Buckinghams - Columbia 8
*10. Hush............................Billy Jo Royal - Columbia 14

Jimi Hendrix Axis of Love had also just come out that week, but I can't see Gramps listening to any of that negro music.

:rofl:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. OK, thought it was 1969.

But the fact it was 1967 makes his claim to be stuck on ABBA on account of being shot down even more lame.

[KharmaTrain]

51. Just Like His Memorizing The Steeler's Iron Curtain

The problem is if you remember this, you admit you're as old as he is.

Cheers...

[hfojvt]

4. so music that puts you to sleep, you consider good?

:wtf: :headbang: :banghead:

If you go dissing ABBA it's gonna be your Waterloo. Remember, Fernando, the winner takes it all.

[DemoTex]

12. Conditioned reflex + the 8-track's (remember those) ability to play it over and over and over ..

Couple of times, with my big fat Pioneer headphones on (in the rack), I slept through rocket and mortar attacks. That, my friend (McCain .. heh, heh) was good. One stood a better chance of being wounded in that mad dash to the bunker.

In fact (to digress), a really bad Mateus binge might have saved my life during my TDY at Phu Bai during Lam Son 719 (early 1971). After two weeks of brutal missions into Laos over the Ho Chi Minh Trail, I finally got a night off. We went over to the 8th RRFS "O" Club and tied one on .. with Mateus (I can barely type that word to this day). How I made it back to the "hootch" I'll never know. But we were hit by NVA 122mm rockets about 4 am .. bunches of rockets. I never budged. Two guys in the unit next door were killed running to the bunker.

Mateus had it's revenge the next day. I had to fly a twin-Beech down to Cam Ranh (and back) to take care of some admin stuff at my HDQS. Tom Wolf hit the nail on the head in "The Right Stuff" when he quoted Guss Grissom on drinking and flying hungover: "I'm not recommending it, but it can be done."


Another bad night in Phu Bai

[yardwork]

23. I also once had a bad night with mateus rose - or bad morning, I should say.

Such a cute little bottle, who would guess...

Thank you for your service to our country.

P.S. I try to explain eight-tracks to my teenage sons. You mean it stuck out of the dashboard??!!

[sourmilk]

7. Strange - whenever I see McCain on TV, I start humming Carl Orff!

"Fortune, The Empress Of The World," in particular, from Carmina Burana...

Edited to correct "Xarl"

[DemoTex]

8. Bingo!

Perfect secular music for the secular man.

[Elwood P Dowd]

13. For some strange reason I keep thinking about a new version of Zappa's

"Ram it up your poop-shoot".

[TahitiNut]

14. Carmina Burana is way overplayed and has become trite. Orff's 'Schulwerk" on the other hand ...

... are a collection that pleases me endlessly.

http://www.amazon.com/Orff-Schulwerk-Volume-1-Musica-Poetica/dp/B0000007Y8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1218847942&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Orff-Schulwerk-Two-Musik-f%C3%BCr-Kinder/dp/B000009LHT/ref=pd_bxgy_m_img_b
http://www.amazon.com/Orff-Schulwerk-Vol-3-Piano-Music/dp/B0000007Y9/ref=pd_sim_m_1

[DemoTex]

15. Thanks for the rec, T/N.

Looks like an excuse to order more CDs from Amazon (my local store, The Bohemian Restaurant and affiliated record store is weak in the classical dept.). Thank goodness for Amazon Prime .. I'll have those CDs on Tuesday.

[TahitiNut]

16. It's music that lets my "inner child" dance with joy. They're supposed to be 'instructional' ...

... and simple examples of various musical basics ... but (as one who can't even play a tambourine) I'm enthralled whenever I play them.

Imagine a bright, sunshiney day ... kids playing outside ... laid back in the La-Z-Boy ... floating way with the simple harmonies and rhythms. Just joyous.

It's my guess you'd really like them ... and maybe Dr. DemoTex even more so.


I first heard selections from the whole collection on an LP called "Street SOngs" released aback in the late 60s ... which I heard in the 70s. Since it was out-of-print even then, my friend let me tape the album. Then the tape went bad ... and I looked and looked and looked.

I haunted music shops all over the country (on every business trip) for over fifteen years. No luck. Then, one day in Eugene, Oregon, feeling particularly 'connected' to the world and all, I let some premonition guide me to a music store on Sixth. (Somehow ... I 'knew' even though I'd never been in that shop.) The fellow there knew EXACTLY what I was talking (clumsily) about ... told me how the ONLY CD's (time had passed, for sure) that had those works was ONLY available in Europe ... and that's where he'd ordered the copy he had in the shop!! A classical music buff, the shop-owner was also in love with those pieces. He let me have the set he had in stock for 'only' $85. I felt like I'd found the Holy Grail. (I'll NEVER forget that day about 12 years ago.)

[DemoTex]

25. I gave Dr. D. a subscription to the Greenville Symphony for her b-day.

I had pooh-pooed the Greenville Symphony without ever going to a concert. I was spoiled by the great symphony orchestras of Dallas, Washington, and Atlanta (BUT especially Dallas!). Then we went to a Greenville Symphony Orchestra concert last March where they played Beethoven's 10th (Brahm's 1st!). It was fantastic! Little did I know!

[TahitiNut]

35. While we've never met personally (and it may sound a bit presumptious) ...

... I have this VERY distinct suspicion that the person who sees (and loves) the 'YOU' in you will really love Orff's Schulwerk. From the hints you've dropped over the years, Mac, it's just a deep-seated impression. (I'd be interested in hearing if my instincts are right ... it'd be a woo-woo/eerie thing.)

Pick one of those sunny Saturday afternoons and be OPEN to the experience in a very relaxed, quiet, and casual way. It might be special.

(Hope so.)

[Swamp Rat]

18. Try the 13 Century (Burana Codex Ms.) collection which contains medieval Latin songs,

songs in German, and songs with mixed Latin and German or French vernacular.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmina_Burana
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Carmina_Burana_manuscript

http://www.amazon.com/Carmina-Burana-13th-Century-Manuscripts/dp/B0000044LU/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1218851287&sr=1-8
http://www.amazon.com/Carmina-Burana-XI-XIII-Century/dp/B000007T8D/ref=pd_sim_m_1
http://www.amazon.com/Carmina-Burana/dp/B00006GO42/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1218851236&sr=1-13

[DemoTex]

19. That rec cost me $46.35! Well worth it, I'm sure.

The title Musik für Kinder reminds me of a beautiful song cycle by Gustav Mahler, Kindertotenlieder (Songs on the Death of Children), best performed by Kathleen Ferrier (UK .. 1951). Go there my friend. And weep.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. Along the same lines, check out Four Last Songs by Richard Strauss.

Especially Kiri Te Kanawa's performance. "Beim Schlafengehen" (#3) is stunning. If you ever saw the movie "The Year of Living Dangerously" you'll recognize it.

[TahitiNut]

22. Yes... the selections on that Volume II are my favorites most times.

I've heard Kindertotenlieder and like it ... not quite the same emotion, except in the counterpoint, I think.

[TahitiNut]

29. Just to make something clearer ... THIS is the set I have ...

http://www.amazon.com/Carl-Orff-Poetica-Orff-Schulwerk-Keetman/dp/B0011G4CQ0/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1218853093&sr=1-6



It's the more complete set ... which is an indication of my OBSESSION with this collection.

Notice that it's only available 'used' and only one copy. (You can be SURE it's not ME selling it. Mine will NEVER leave my hands until I'm dead.)

[UndertheOcean]

24. Tchaikovsky is mediocre

I prefer Bach ,Mozart , Beethoven , Wagner , and Mahler , and finally Richard Strauss. Those are the pinnacles of Classical Music for me.

Tchaikovsky is lightweight at best in my opinion . I wouldn't consider someone who liked him to have a refined musical taste ..

Just showing you that being judgmental about musical taste can cut both ways.

[DemoTex]

26. OK .. gloves off!

You have managed, in your ignorance, to lump classical, baroque, and romantic music together. Have you a clue? Tchaikovsky is lightweight? WTF?

[UndertheOcean]

27. Ofcourse I know there is baroque , classcial , romantic , late romantc

I know the divisions of European art music , I just didn't want to confuse laymen in here with unnecessary details not pertaining to my point.

[DemoTex]

28. Laymen?

Who the hell are you? Just who the hell are you?

[UndertheOcean]

30. what did I do to you

I am just someone who listened to practically every composer under the sun , and suggesting who are good. Why are you being aggressive.

You are the one who accused me of ignorance , did I attack your character , or anybody's else for that matter ? The OP was the one who ridiculed Mc'Cains taste. Go bark at him.

ridiculous.

[UndertheOcean]

31. Oh , you are the OP, figures .

[DemoTex]

32. Well. you are not very observant either.

I am the O/P.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

34. Are you a professional musician?

What do you play/sing? Most of the rest of us are mere laymen in need of enlightenment.

[UndertheOcean]

36. I'm a layman too ,when it comes to playing , But I do read scores , and listened to a lot of music

So I think I can safely judge the quality of Tchiakovsky compared to Bach , or to Wagner , if you don't like a comparison between a Romantic and a Baroque .

Even Tchiakovsky himself , in his own writings , admitted than he does not even come close to the greatness of Richard Wagner.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

39. "Quality" of music is highly subjective.

Many experts -- actual professional musicians -- consider Tchaikovsky to be one of the greats. If you don't care for his stuff, that's fine; but it's your opinion, and that's all it is. Personally, I prefer Mozart to all of them, but I'm not about to insult the taste of someone who enjoys Tchaikovsky. His violin concerto is really excellent -- in my opinion.

Anyhow, comparing Tchaikovsky to, say, Bach is pretty much an apples vs. oranges thing, wouldn't you say, considering they are so different, stylistically? Certainly you can legitimately opine that Mozart was greater than Salieri, but would you say Krzystof Penderecki is a greater composer than Guillaume Dufay? Is Claudio Monteverdi greater than Alban Berg? It's impossible to make those comparisons. Just enjoy what you enjoy and don't sneer at others' enjoyment.

[UndertheOcean]

41. I am with you totally ! I was trying to show how ridiculous is the OP's

point attacking Mc'cain based on his musical taste. I thought I was clear , it seems not so much

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

46. Well, no.

You came across as snobby and condescending, actually.

And the point of making fun of McCain wasn't so much that he likes ABBA, but that he absurdly attributes liking ABBA as the result of having been shot down in Vietnam. I think ABBA sucks and I don't care if McCain likes them; but it's really stupid for McCain to blame his musical choices on having been a POW.

Anyhow, one can hardly mention ABBA in the same breath as Tchaikovsky.

[UndertheOcean]

48. " Anyhow, one can hardly mention ABBA in the same breath as Tchaikovsky."

That part is true.

[Occam Bandage]

49. My God, if you can't learn taste in music, at least learn basic English mechanics.

[UndertheOcean]

50. I am Trilingual , and English is not my mother tongue . how many languages you know ?

that was totally uncalled for. The OP is the one who attacked someone's musical taste , not me .

[Occam Bandage]

52. Three. OP didn't attack McCain's taste; he attacked McCain's ridiculous explanation for his taste.

[DemoTex]

37. Bingo!

No response from the expert. Dead air. Total embarrassment. Hell, I'm embarrassed for him. If I were him, I'd never ever come back to DU! But that is his call.

Whoops! He checked in!

[UndertheOcean]

38. yawn

[DemoTex]

42. Are you a teenager?

[UndertheOcean]

43. See post #41

[TahitiNut]

40. Are people lined up to lick your bicycle seat? Are you a local god?

How is it that you play among mere mortals? Is it some Olympian punishment?

(Golly... I feel honored to rub electrons with you.)

:eyes:

[UndertheOcean]

45. See post #41

[DemoTex]

47. Oh sweet Jesus!

Timing. Perfect.

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[caraher]

44. He seems to have skipped a decade

Remember his substituting the Pittsburgh Steelers for Green Bay Packers in his tale of heroic resistance to his captors? All his personal cultural references that should be late '60s are morphing into the late '70s. Fading memory or desperate attempt to seem younger despite the sheer impossibility of his claims?