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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:16 AM
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If you do nothing else today, you should read Frank Rich's Sunday NYT column on candidate McCain.
...this article, or at least the salient points within, might make informative reading for any McCain-leaning friends or relatives you know...just a thought...

...now, let the massacre begin...


The Candidate We Still Don’t Know
By FRANK RICH
Published: August 16, 2008

(snip)

What is widely known is the skin-deep, out-of-date McCain image. As this fairy tale has it, the hero who survived the Hanoi Hilton has stood up as rebelliously in Washington as he did to his Vietnamese captors. He strenuously opposed the execution of the Iraq war; he slammed the president’s response to Katrina; he fought the “agents of intolerance” of the religious right; he crusaded against the G.O.P. House leader Tom DeLay, the criminal lobbyist Jack Abramoff and their coterie of influence-peddlers.

With the exception of McCain’s imprisonment in Vietnam, every aspect of this profile in courage is inaccurate or defunct.

McCain never called for Donald Rumsfeld to be fired and didn’t start criticizing the war plan until late August 2003, nearly four months after “Mission Accomplished.” By then the growing insurgency was undeniable. On the day Hurricane Katrina hit, McCain laughed it up with the oblivious president at a birthday photo-op in Arizona. McCain didn’t get to New Orleans for another six months and didn’t sharply express public criticism of the Bush response to the calamity until this April, when he traveled to the Gulf Coast in desperate search of election-year pageantry surrounding him with black extras.

McCain long ago embraced the right’s agents of intolerance, even spending months courting the Rev. John Hagee, whose fringe views about Roman Catholics and the Holocaust were known to anyone who can use the Internet. (Once the McCain campaign discovered YouTube, it ditched Hagee.) On Monday McCain is scheduled to appear at an Atlanta fund-raiser being promoted by Ralph Reed, who is not only the former aide de camp to one of the agents of intolerance McCain once vilified (Pat Robertson) but is also the former Abramoff acolyte showcased in McCain’s own Senate investigation of Indian casino lobbying.

Though the McCain campaign announced a new no-lobbyists policy three months after The Washington Post’s February report that lobbyists were “essentially running” the whole operation, the fact remains that McCain’s top officials and fund-raisers have past financial ties to nearly every domestic and foreign flashpoint, from Fannie Mae to Blackwater to Ahmad Chalabi to the government of Georgia. No sooner does McCain flip-flop on oil drilling than a bevy of Hess Oil family members and executives, not to mention a lowly Hess office manager and his wife, each give a maximum $28,500 to the Republican Party.

While reporters at The Post and The New York Times have been vetting McCain, many others give him a free pass. Their default cliché is to present him as the Old Faithful everyone already knows. They routinely salute his “independence,” his “maverick image” and his “renegade reputation” — as the hackneyed script was reiterated by Karl Rove in a Wall Street Journal op-ed column last week. At Talking Points Memo, the essential blog vigilantly pursuing the McCain revelations often ignored elsewhere, Josh Marshall accurately observes that the Republican candidate is “graded on a curve.”

Most Americans still don’t know, as Marshall writes, that on the campaign trail “McCain frequently forgets key elements of policies, gets countries’ names wrong, forgets things he’s said only hours or days before and is frequently just confused.” Most Americans still don’t know it is precisely for this reason that the McCain campaign has now shut down the press’s previously unfettered access to the candidate on the Straight Talk Express.

To appreciate the discrepancy in what we know about McCain and Obama, merely look at the coverage of the potential first ladies. We have heard too much indeed about Michelle Obama’s Princeton thesis, her pay raises at the University of Chicago hospital, her statement about being “proud” of her country and the false rumor of a video of her ranting about “whitey.” But we still haven’t been inside Cindy McCain’s tax returns, all her multiple homes or private plane. The Los Angeles Times reported in June that Hensley & Company, the enormous beer distributorship she controls, “lobbies regulatory agencies on alcohol issues that involve public health and safety,” in opposition to groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving. The McCain campaign told The Times that Mrs. McCain’s future role in her beer empire won’t be revealed before the election.

Some of those who know McCain best — Republicans — are tougher on him than the press is. Rita Hauser, who was a Bush financial chairwoman in New York in 2000 and served on the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board in the administration’s first term, joined other players in the G.O.P. establishment in forming Republicans for Obama last week. Why? The leadership qualities she admires in Obama — temperament, sustained judgment, the ability to play well with others — are missing in McCain. “He doesn’t listen carefully to people and make reasoned judgments,” Hauser told me. “If John says ‘I’m going with so and so,’ you can’t count on that the next morning,” she complained, adding, “That’s not the man we want for president.”

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?ref=opinion
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:20 AM
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1. You Know Will.... I Do Have Red Sox Game to Watch Today
I just don't know if I can I have the time......
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:23 AM
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2. ...and the Patriots are on at 8pm.
HURRY!!!!!11!1!!16A!!99!!1

:P
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:31 AM
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5. oh crap... I forgot about that
any starters playing tonight?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:38 AM
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9. Not Brady
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2008/08/17/brady_foot_doesnt_make_tampa_trip/

:(

And considering the dipshits we'll have playing in his spot, I'd be surprised if they bother running out any of our top-flight receivers. There won't be any catchable balls thrown tonight, so why risk getting them injured?

However, it'd be a good night to play the o-line starters and the entire defensive starting squad. We'll see...and I'm watching anyway, because it's football. Fucking finally, it's football.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:46 AM
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13. Well... I'm Definitely Watching Too
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 08:49 AM by fascisthunter
I love football.... so much so, I dared trying out for my High School football team as a wide receiver, my Junior Year. If you saw me, you'd laugh your ass off because I'm as skinny as a rail. But hey... I love football.

Anyways... back to the article. Good one so far.... it's amazing how the media gives this guy a pass.

Here's a snip that is a bit scary:

"The truth is we have no idea what will happen in November. But for the sake of argument, let’s posit that one thread of the Obama-is-doomed scenario is right: His lead should be huge in a year when the G.O.P. is in such disrepute that at least eight of the party’s own senatorial incumbents are skipping their own convention, the fail-safe way to avoid being caught near the Larry Craig Memorial Men’s Room at the Twin Cities airport."
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:58 AM
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15. Check your PM
;)
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:25 AM
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4. At least Halladay isn't pitching again today.
x(

And the Devil Rays lost last night thankfully. It's a pleasure to see the Yankees 9 games out of first place though.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:32 AM
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7. Finally, they lose... Tampa is on Fire
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 08:32 AM by fascisthunter
I thought they'd slow down after the All Star, but man, they have a good team, and their pitching appears to be solid.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:24 AM
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3. knr!
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:32 AM
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6. You know, when I went to U. of Denver...
To become an ink-stained wretch, there was no more ignoble act than Getting It Wrong. Back then, we were being taught ink-stained wretchitude as a noble, but poorly-paid calling. The Truth was our god and goddess. Who, what, when, where, why and how were our only creed. Getting It Wrong, Buying Into Lies, Stenography, Credulousness, The Suckage of Cloacal Vents of The Powerful...all were good reasons for public seppuku with a Taco Bell Spork, without a second with a sharp katana or even a dull butter knife.

Fuck these jerkoffs who have so tainted and called into disrepute a once-noble calling. Fuck these jerkoffs who have so destroyed journalistic honor. Fuck 'em and the horses they rode in on.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:48 AM
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14. you should make this a post of its own
it cannot be overstated how the media has fucked this country up.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:31 AM
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24. I second that recommendation.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:37 AM
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8. rabble.. rabble... rabble... rabble....
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 08:55 AM by jus_the_facts
:evilgrin:

K'n'R :hi:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:40 AM
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mr rich is one of the few in the media that speaks the truth
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:41 PM
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30. And when General Clark did so,
what did the media do to him?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:40 AM
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10. dupe..
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 08:40 AM by spanone
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:44 AM
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11. Bookmarking for the repukes who are starting to send me chain e-mails
You know the ones..."Muslim", "unpatriotic", "extreme pastor", etc. :puke:

Adding to my collection of rebuttals!
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:46 AM
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12. read it
and blogged it. hope lots of people read it too. mccain is not the answer for what ails us.
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grillo7 Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:58 AM
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16. K&R n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:07 AM
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17. Thanks Will ~ excellent article K and R nt
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:16 AM
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18. Excellent- am sending it out to my list today, along with a mention about last night-
since it was certainly appeared even to Andrea Mitchell) that McShame knew the questions in advance since he was clearly well rehersed.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:42 AM
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19. Thank You Mr. Pitt! K&R!
:kick:
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AnotherMother4Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:28 AM
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20. Will, you are one of the reasons I donated & keep comin' back - you, kpete, nancegregs.... Thanks.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:37 PM
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27. Right back at ya, lady.
:hug:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:29 AM
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21. I always read Frank Rich
I was very sad the last two weeks because he was on vacation. Mr. Rich is top of the line. Golden. This week's column is wonderful.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:35 AM
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48. He forgot: McCain would rather start a war than lose an election or his lobbyist hit men
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:25 AM
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22. K & R and emailing to everyone.
I do not know anyone who is thinking of voting for McSame, but some of the people I know do know some..so I am sending it to them to forward...
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:11 PM
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34. oh my Mom likes him better now--after last night's performance.
She thought he was great. Of course the McCain we saw at the forum is nothing like the real one. She was never going to vote Dem anyway--and her vote won't count in blue Wisconsin, so I'm letting it go.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:30 AM
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23. Just realized that the article does not mention McCain's opposition the Martin Luther King holiday
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/02/mccain-lies-about-his-support-for-mlk-jr-day-in-arizona/

McCain Defended Opposition Of Federal MLK Holiday By Saying He Supported Arizona’s State Holiday. During a press availability in Panama City, Florida, John McCain said, “I have supported hundreds of pieces of legislation, which would help Americans obtain an equal opportunity in America. I am proud of that record, from fighting for the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King’s birthday in my state to sponsoring specific legislation that would prevent discrimination in any shape or form in America today.”

* FACT: McCain Supported Republican AZ Governor’s Decision To Rescind MLK Holiday. ABC News reported, “In Arizona, a bill to recognize a holiday honoring MLK failed in the legislature, so then-Gov. Bruce Babbitt, a Democrat, declared one through executive order. In January 1987, the first act of Arizona’s new governor, Republican Evan Mecham, was to rescind the executive order by his predecessor to create an MLK holiday. Arizona’s stance became a national controversy. McCain backed the decision at the time.”

* FACT: McCain Supported Gov. Evan Mecham’s Decision In 1987 To Rescind Martin Luther King Jr. Day. As reported by the Philadelphia Inquirer, “In a vote likely to haunt him for the rest of his public career, McCain voted against 1983 legislation establishing the third Monday in January as the federal holiday marking King’s birthday. Back home in Arizona, he supported Gov. Evan Mecham’s decision in 1987 to rescind an executive order creating a state holiday for King, but later reversed his position.”

* FACT: McCain Voted Against Creating Martin Luther King Holiday. In 1983, McCain voted against a motion to suspend the rules and pass a bill to designate the third Monday of every January as a federal holiday in honor of the late civil rights leader, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The motion passed 89-77.


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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:29 PM
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38. Nor the fact that he sponsored the original Indian Gaming Bill
which set the stage for Abramoff and friends to rob the Indian Gaming Industry and so forth and so on.
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:54 AM
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25. I realize Obama and friends can't...
...touch the 'third rail' of McCain's 'honorable service'...well I'm not Obama and for the purpose of this rip, I won't be a friend.

For starters Wesley Clark was right in his comment that 'getting shot down and ejecting (poorly, I might add which is what gave him those short arms) from his plane doesn't necessarily make him 'qualified' to be President'. Well even before that his entire history has been one of a well-familied, ne're-do-well that got by on influence of his daddy and grand-daddy and their friends (sound familiar?). Got into Annapolis on a legacy appointment...was able to graduate, albeit fourth from the bottom, again because of his admiral ancestors (wonder whatever happened to the ones that finished below him?)...managed to crash, in addition to the one he was shot down in, at least three other planes, including a degree of responsibility for the aircraft carrier fire that killed dozens and hot-dogging it in Spain and clipping power-lines that resulted in more losses...and then his 'exemplary' performance as a POW - he wimped out on more than one occasion and became the 'go-to' prisoner that the North Vietnam jailers went to for information...dumped his wife when he met a pretty, rich 'c**t' (his word)...continued to chase pussy at every opportunity for as long as he could hope to 'get it up'...has shown what kind of character he possesses when you look at the man we thought he was in 2000 and the pandering SOB he has become now - I mean just who the hell does he think he's conning when he says that John Lewis is one of the men he admires - good God, is that your way of back-dooring your voting against MLK Day?

I think it's time we got some quotes from his jailers for our own 'Hanoi Hilton/SwiftBoat' piece on the jerk. For that matter you could probably get James Carvill to ask his wife to publish it - with any luck they'll off each other some night - kinda like the 'War of the Roses' - but only after the book is on the NYT best seller list.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:32 PM
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26. Thank you for this...
...link. You are correct...it is excellent, and true. The teacher in me especially likes the line, "It's past time for that pressing educational need to be met," referring to people wanting to hear more about McCain. :7

And then he goes on to tell the truth about who McCain is. PRICELESS!

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:56 PM
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28. K&R
:toast:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:01 PM
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29. When Was The Last Time Anyone Saw Frank On The Teevee?
Yet another great article on the "REAL" McCain. Yet, I can't remember the last time Frank was on any national news show or food fight. His problem is he's been TOO right on things...not like his NYT "collegue" Billy the Bloody. Methinks the Gramps Donut brigade of corporate media stenographers have blacklisted Frank, Paul Krugman and Cliff Schecter...they don't want to take a chance on missing out on Gramps next big BBQ. Rumor has it the Bud will be flowing courtesy of Helmsley Distributing.

Cheers...
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Graybeard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:23 PM
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31. He used to be a regular guest on the Don Imus show.
Can anyone imagine "Morning Joe" having him on? Never happen.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:26 PM
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32. Look, McCain is the War Party candidate who promises 100 years of war
...that has to be hammered into the consciousness of the voters, he will bleed America of it's treasury and youth to support the War Party agenda of world domination
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:44 PM
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33. Saved
R- I saved this for rebuttal too
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:18 PM
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35. K+R
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:36 PM
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36. thanks for the heads-up, Mr. Pitt
been gone all day
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:07 PM
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37. Important talking points for those of us in Mass
being so close to one of the states that have treated McCain so well in the past.

This is the kind of story that needs to be told to those voters that still see him as an idealized, heroic maverick.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:55 PM
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39. The article points out something that any sane person can easily observe about his mental acuity.
"Most Americans still don’t know, as Marshall writes, that on the campaign trail “McCain frequently forgets key elements of policies, gets countries’ names wrong, forgets things he’s said only hours or days before and is frequently just confused.” Most Americans still don’t know it is precisely for this reason that the McCain campaign has now shut down the press’s previously unfettered access to the candidate on the Straight Talk Express."

Dang, the guy has signs of dementia (Alzheimers or otherwise) that should scare the hell out of everyone. Forget his stated "policies."


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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:07 PM
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40. Don't overestimate the intelligence of the American electorate
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 09:09 PM by jimlup
This is my primary concern. Enough Americans don't like the guy who wins the debate just because it reminds them of the guy in high school who did the same and then went on to a better college than they could get into.

Obama's going to win the debates by a slam. McCain will continue to show his apparent senility and lack of understanding. Many American's will like McCain and resent Obama for these. I do believe Barack is poised enough to realize this problem and I'm sure he and his advisors are considering this.

Thanks for the article. It helps us insist on rationality in helping our fellow citizens understand this obvious choice.
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:53 PM
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46. Agree on the overestimation...sad but true.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:16 PM
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41. I wish some of those low info voters would read it!
glad to see it was in the times today.
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:25 PM
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42. Whoa.
"Rita Hauser, who was a Bush financial chairwoman in New York in 2000 and served on the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board in the administration’s first term, joined other players in the G.O.P. establishment in forming Republicans for Obama last week."

That's big.

I love me some Frank Rich.

k & r
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:30 PM
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43. K & R
nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:33 PM
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44. McCain is nothing but a snake
can't depend on him either
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:47 PM
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45. Fantastic...truthfull, a rarity.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 11:50 PM by RNdaSilva
Needs to be syndicated.

I'm an old vet, would never, never support McCain.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:58 PM
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47. How can this cretinous fossil even be IN the race???
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:57 AM
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49. Same reason Ronnie Raygun was. And he is just as arrogant and befuddled as RR was.
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concreteblue Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:12 PM
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50. Sent this
to my email list of RW nutjob friends.....they probably won't
read it tho....
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 07:08 AM
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51. Thanks for posting this. nt.
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