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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 05:44 PM
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PELOSI Blasts BUSH: "Bush Offers ONLY An Open-Ended Commitment To WAR WITHOUT END"
Edited on Sat Mar-10-07 05:44 PM by kpete
On Bush Veto Threat of Military Funding Bill
March 10th, 2007 by Speaker Pelosi
President Bush’s Iraq policies weaken our military’s readiness, dishonor our nation’s promises to our veterans, and fail to hold the Iraqi government accountable for overdue reforms.

By threatening to veto the House’s military funding bill, the President is walking away from his promise to the American people. The President has vowed to veto a bill that contains his own reform benchmarks for performance by the Iraqi government, our Defense Department’s own standards for troop readiness, and America’s promise to our veterans.

With his veto threat, the President offers only an open-ended commitment to a war without end that dangerously ignores the repeated warnings of military leaders, including the commander in Iraq, General Petraeus, who declared in Baghdad this week that the conflict cannot be resolved militarily.

The House of Representatives will soon have a chance to choose a new direction for the American people. The bill the President dismisses out of hand will measure the Iraqi government’s actions by the standards Mr. Bush himself set, conforms deployment of our troops to existing military standards for readiness, and provides badly needed help to an overburdened military and veterans’ medical system wracked by scandal.

http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=108
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 05:56 PM
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1. Yes! Finally! That should be the talking point of all Dems: "* wants War Without End"
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 06:08 PM
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2. So he fell for it
Sucka! Good on ya Madame Speaker Pelosi!
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 06:13 PM
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3. Speaker Pelosi is a hero.
K&R! Finally, a responsible leader to hold chimpy's feet to the fire. :kick: :kick: :kick:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 06:17 PM
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4. Give em hell Nancy!
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 06:18 PM
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5. B*sh will
run the US military into the ground if given the chance.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 07:10 PM
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7. What do you mean "will"
He already has..He now wants more troops but there aren't any fresh troops available....
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 06:30 PM
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6. Happy to give this a 5th rec!.... "War without end"... call it like it is....
Well said Ms. Pelosi.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 07:19 PM
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8. Now the Dems need to cut off the new funding Busholini
wants for this bogus "Surge". Will the Dems follow through?
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 09:56 PM
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12. They can't stop now... they just can't. If they do, then we are no where.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 08:15 PM
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9. It's certainly refreshing to hear someone speak truly on behalf of the American people,
SEVENTY-FIVE PERCENT of whom want this war ended, and someone in a major position in the official world. But I think we still need to ask why Congress remains so unrepresentative of the American people, split more or less 50/50 on ending this heinous war, and its heinous war profiteering, with an edge to the Democrats in the House, but not enough of one to take strong action to stop this criminal regime from committing more crimes. How many "high crimes and misdemeanors" does it take? How much gross malfeasance does it take? Obviously, there is almost nothing too criminal and too malfeasant for this Congress! I'm sure many of them are outraged, but why are their numbers so weak that they can't really do anything--and when they do try--and it appears that they are going to--they likely can't get 60% to override a criminal veto? Why?

I'm sure there are a lot of reasons connected to our filthy corrupt political campaign system, but the one that stands out in my mind--as a no-brainer--is that rightwing Bushite corporations took over our vote counting system, in the 2002 to 2004 period, and have been "counting" all the votes with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls. I mean, that is nuts. And what is so mind-boggling about it is not so much Bushite criminality (to be expected) as Democratic silence, while this coup occurred, and even now, as they propose to "fix" the election system by larding more billions on the very rightwing Bushite corporations who deliberately broke it.

I cannot separate these things in my mind, and I don't think they should be separated. They need to be considered together: A Democratic Congress' inability to stop a horrible war, and to hold the criminals who perpetrated it responsible, and rightwing Bushite corporations "counting" all the votes under a veil of corporate secrecy.

It may be that some of the Democrats are genuinely elected. In fact, I'm sure some are. And I think many were elected by the voters outvoting the machines, which means that their mandate is even more impressive than we know. (My guestimate is a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites, warmongers and corporatists--a heavy handicap on the voters that can be easily and undetectably implemented.) The vote counting system itself fairly screams at us as the main culprit for why Congress is still so unrepresentative.* Vote counting has been rendered almost entirely non-transparent, and it is controlled by rightwing Bushites. What should we expect from such an election system?

And what should we expect from a Congress that, although it is Democratic, is yet beholden to this system and its corporate profiteers, but that they would fail to eliminate it, and would instead propose a minor tweak, a bandaid (a 2% audit of rightwing Bushite controlled electronic voting systems**)?

Until we solve the non-transparent vote counting, we cannot stop the heinous war that the non-transparent vote counting system was designed to perpetuate. That's what is clear to me. What Nancy Pelosi should be saying with every pronouncement about the war is "and count every vote, in a way that everyone can see and understand."

And until she says both things together, we must pause over her sincerity. I'm not saying I question it. I'm saying, pause over it. Can we really achieve peace without transparent vote counting? Where would we be right now, on stopping the war, and impeaching Bush/Cheney, if all 50 of the House seats that should have changed hands, had changed hands***? What would have happened if the vote counting had been transparent and verifiable?

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*(One other factor: Only 1/3 of the Senate was up for reelection this time. So there are many fascist, warmongering dinosaurs in that body. But if the true representatives of the American people in the House had numbers commensurate with American public opinion--that is, if the '06 elections had been transparent and verifiable--then the House could better pressure the Senate on these vital matters. )

**(Venezuela handcounts FIFTY-FIVE PERCENT of the ballots, as a check against electronic voting machine fraud, and theirs in a open source code system. We should be doing no less, for machines run on "'TRADE SECRET" code owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations--and should have been doing it from the beginning. I would say that a 100% verification is needed, at this point. Our corrupt election officials can keep their expensive new voting machines--but they must have ballots and they must count every one, in public view, before any electronics are involved.) (The Democrats are proposing a lousy 2% audit, meaning that 98% of the votes will never be viewed and counted. THAT is corrupt.)

***(The most egregious stolen Congressional seat--FL-13--still has the fraudulently elected Republican sitting in the House and voting. In that election, some 18,000 Democratic votes for Congress were 'disappeared' by a rightwing Bushite electronic voting corporation--ES&S (brethren to Diebold)--in an election decided by about 300 votes. What is Congress waiting for?)

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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 09:26 PM
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10. When will she get to election fraud?
"It may be that some of the Democrats are genuinely elected. In fact, I'm sure some are. And I think many were elected by the voters outvoting the machines, which means that their mandate is even more impressive than we know." Rarely have truer words been written. Let's hope the next time we see them is not on Uncle Sam's tombstone!
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Robson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 09:36 PM
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11. Aggressive succinct replies needed to counter Bush
Anything Bush or the GOP comes out with on this war must be countered two fold. It must be so succinct and effective that it hammers them back into their chairs. I like that "Bush offers only war without end".

I'd like her to let Bush know through back door channels that (as Bush likes to say) everything is on the table........including impeachment.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 09:57 PM
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13. Big talk. DO SOMETHING INSTEAD.
NT!

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 10:01 PM
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14. Time for another non-binding suggestion of our miffed-ness!
I'm with you. I'm tired of the fucking sound bites. The American people have spoken loudly and clearly, and all the dem leadership does is answer us back with more empty speechifying.

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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 04:50 PM
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15. Well, Madame Speaker...
If you think that the man's policies are dangerous and shortsighted, and that he himself is unfit for office, exercise your constitutional authority to IMPEACH!!! It does originate in the House, y'know...
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 05:07 PM
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16. blah, blah, blah....Then DEFUND THE WAR.
Period. Otherwise it's nothing but rhetoric to hammer Bush with...
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