Obama 47%, McCreepy 47%--What The Hell Is WRONG With People?

[orleans]

it was a poll shown on cnn i think. and this poll was done after the obama/biden announcement.

how in the world can they be tied like that?

is my head really that far up my ass that i just don't see the rest of this country is sick to death of these republicans? or is every poll i'm seeing on tv lately full of shit?

what the hell is going on around here?

[d_b]

1. don't buy the bs

this is our year. Believe that.

[AndyTiedye]

19. I Wish I Could Believe That

[renate]

2. they just think that McCain 2008 is the same as McCain 2000

Enough of them will figure it out eventually.

[BlooInBloo]

3. (shrug) The same thing that's always been wrong with them.

[MidwestTransplant]

4. It's their poll from Sat. night with a 5% MOE and who is home to get polled on Sat. night?

[robinlynne]

5. My guess is fake/lying polls.

[JSK]

48. They are setting us up

for the theft. Tells us the polls are close so when McSame steals it, the masses shrug their shoulders (again) and accept it.

[ben_meyers]

6. Well I guess no matter what, some people are just

going to like Obama.

[opihimoimoi]

7. Prolly a faux poll...not to worry...The GOP Charade can go only so far then POLITICAL PARTY COLLAPSE

DISORDER kicks in

Signs abound this is happening....thus GOP Sleep Disorder Level now off the Roof.

[NanceGreggs]

8. It has nothing to do with people ...

... it has everything to do with BS polls.

Give as much credence to polls as you do the "facts" spewed by the MSM - none.

[bluestateguy]

9. The poll is inaccurate

The only screwed up people are the pollsters who think that 900 people called at home somehow "represent" the country.

[depakid]

10. Not saying the poll is accurate- but even a 5% lead under the circumstances

just goes to show what happens when you FAIL to define your opponent and capitalize on the mistakes early on.

Apparently, people in the Obama campaign (probably that 04 loser Robert Gibbs) thought it would be better to "run to the center" and alienate progressives- while giving McCain & Co. a pass would be a winning high road "strategy" -finally- after so many failures in the past.

[CoffeeCat]

11. I hear ya..

...I see the polls and my head hurts.

I really don't get it either. McCain is Bush's bestest buddy, he's on the wrong
side of the war, he not exactly an economic brain trust, and he's an old, insane
coot.

McCain hasn't even hid the fact that he's not ashamed to cozy up to Bush, and
Bush's approvals are in the toilet! Our country has gone down the shitter
in the past 8 years, and you would think that McCain would be sinking like a stone.

I really don't get it either.

When I see the polls, I want to stand out in the my driveway and scream, "Are
you ALL nuts?!?!?"

[Quantess]

12. My boyfriend recently told me he's considering voting for McCain...

...previously he told me liked Obama.

I know he doesn't like Bush.

I'm baffled. I think maybe he's been listening to a bad influence, because I don't know why he would have changed his mind. Hopefully he just wanted to play devil's advocate for a day, or be oppositional.

[orleans]

15. really--ask him why the fuck he would change his mind for mccramps

this is a real mystery to me. (IS EVERYBODY TAKING CRAZY PILLS?)

[Quantess]

18. Oh, he thinks McCain won't tax him as much as Obama,

since he imagines he is wealthier than he really is.
He just got a raise and now makes $70,000 and thinks he's a tycoon.
And he said something about the capital gains tax. He's deluded.

[MidwestTransplant]

23. He would get a bigger tax cut under Obama than under McCain I think.

[HughBeaumont]

54. Once again, unless he's a day trader or a financial whiz . . .

. . . a capital gains tax increase isn't going to affect him much.

This reminds me, again, of the confounding e-mail I got from a 19%-er. Same B.S. Didn't even look at the link provided that Obama's tax cuts are better than McCain's when it comes to Americans making < 112,000 dollars/year. He brought up the CG tax, as if more than 50% of the people in that group "play the market". Such bullshit . . . that tax increase noticably affects a small percentage of people in that group.

[Drunken Irishman]

13. Please don't start this fucking bullshit again.

Where everyone goes ape shit over ONE POLL.

:eyes:

This was a one-day poll done Saturday, it's to be taken with a big grain of salt.

[glowing]

14. Polls lie.. I seriously don't know anyone who supports Bush or McCain...

I've had so many admit to me from around this great nation who come thru the door at this hotel, that they are ashamed that they voted 2 times for the GOPers.. and now they are feeling the pinch and the hurt and the manipulation.. Don't forget, Republicans are not just the Evangelical and RightWingers.. Many are old Regean-Dems or feel fiscal responsibility is important. Many feel duped and ashamed and pissed off. Obama doesn't make them feel like they are others.. he welcomes them in and says.. come on, let's get it right now.. let's pay for it, but make it better. He doesn't chastise them, he calls them Obamacans.. So many of us are pissed off at the other side, the chenanigans, the lies, the smears, and the direspect.. that we forget they are part of America and the only way to get them to think differently is to first invite them into the tent. See what they are worried about, what they care for, and how those needs can be addressed. I think its why he ended up doing better than Edwards.... Edwards was still pissed at the 2004 and wanted them far away from him.. Obama wants them all. He wants to listen to them all.. even if he disagrees with him...

AND what a more perfect way to symbolize the coming together of America all in one man.. and even his pick for VP was in consideration of those who felt he needed the "fighter", the Irish man, the good family man, and the man with experience.

Just out of curiosity: did Bill Clinton or Al Gore serve in the military?

[DaveJ]

16. Well, we should assume the worst

The Republican party clearly is marketing itself toward to most vile and stupid people out there, and there are a lot of them.

50% of people are the dumbest half, 50% are the meanest half. They are out there. We need to stay positive, stay on message, and never resort to their tactics because we will never win over these slimebags by being like them.

Repukes have that technique mastered.

[readmoreoften]

17. Part rigged elections, part failed education system, part racism, part brutality,

part meanness, part media subtlely guiding public opinion (big part)...

[DaveJ]

20. Dumb question, maybe someone here may know...

How is it possible to poll these days? How can they be accurate? We personally only use cell phones, and never got a research call since I'm guessing they're not allowed to call cell phones. And are they allowed to call people on the do not call list everyone is on? I've come to consider landlines sort of old fashioned, our kids don't use them either. (I know, brain tumor alert, I have very short conversations)

Plus the poll was on a Saturday night? Let's see, a Saturday night landline poll. Hmm... no wonder they got a bunch of conservatives.

I know they try their best to be accurate but I'm just wondering how they account for these factors.

[orleans]

21. i don't see why it wouldn't be possible to poll accurately...

you have your basic demographic requirements (various age groups, groups by race, religion maybe, ratio of male to female, registered voter would be a requirement i would think)

and you get your call lists and you start making calls.

i did this crap a million years ago. when one of your categories fills up you thank the person, hang up and make another call until you speak to the X amount of people required to complete a category. so if whoever is doing the poll decides they need responses of 20% who are between the ages of -- and -- then you keep calling until you talk to someone in that age category who is a registered voter.

you need a cross section of the population. you don't just make 100 calls and think that would be representative. it doesn't work that way--at least, it never used to.

[DaveJ]

24. Okay, thanks for reminding me. I always forget how it works.

But, then again, even if they get, say, a 20 year old Hispanic female like they want, or whatever, she's going to be the one home on a Saturday night with a landline (and for that reason may be more conservative) while her progressive friends are out having fun, not getting any calls. So I guess I still don't get it. A section of the population is not being polled, the older more conservative people are more likely to get polled.

[orleans]

26. well, you're right. but on the other hand, maybe the party girl wouldn't

vote or isn't registered.

a cross section of the population is representative of the population. you can't match it up perfectly (only the real clean ones are in the shower now--shit like that isn't supposed to matter)

and from what i remember seeing on tv, they did the poll (the one i mentioned in the op) across two days.

[LibDemAlways]

22. This is going to once again be a very close election. The

media isn't portraying McCain as a senile old coot who has had his head up Bush's ass forever. They are calling him an experienced maverick war hero, and people like the sound of that.

Most people get whatever small bit of news they are exposed to from tv, which other than Olbermann, is a cheerleading squad for McCain. The network whores have a vested interest in having a repuke in the WH and they'll do whatever they can to make it happen.

[Thrill]

25. I would rather the Polls stay close. So the Young People and AA voters

don't take turnout for granted

[bdamomma]

50. I hope the young people hit back hard with their votes.

we need to get these bastards repigs, neo cons they have done much damage to us and to others.

[JeffR]

27. Try this one instead:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6736442

[Trajan]

28. Easy: The Democratic party has done NOTHING to explain their philosophies ...

There are tens of millions of new voters .. MANY very pissed about what has happened the last 8 years, and yet: They are not being courted by the Democrats ... why ?

WHY are the Democrats so damned QUIET about what they believe ? ....

They need to SELL the party 'brand' ... They need to PROMOTE who they are and what they stand for ...

They have to DIFFERENTIATE how they support WORKING PEOPLE, and how the GOP HURTS working people ...

They have to be SMART and QUICK to market ... They have to promote themselves (positive message) while they SIMULTANEOUSLY refute GOP statements (negative message) .... BOTH at the same time ....

It really shouldnt matter WHO is running at the top of the ticket, because it should be well established that working people should NEVER vote for the GOP .. It should be well established that the GOP message about 'taxes' is a fucking FARCE, and that only the Democrats would actually reduce the burden on families ....

Whether it is Hillary or Biden or Richardson or Kucinich or Obama: what matters is the overall philosophical thrust of the role of government, AND the lies and obvious mismanagement by the GOP .... It is the fault of the Democratic party that they have not capitalized on the clear malfeasance of the GOP ....

WTF is wrong with the Democrats ? .... Why have they not saturated the marketplace with their brand ID ?

Let's see how the Convention does: They NEED to close the deal .....

[Fumesucker]

30. Well, so far apparently the Dems are trying to "out religion" the Reps

At least that's what I just read on LBN a few minutes ago.

[hogwyld]

29. We are a nation of idiots

That's the only expanation I can come up with.

[deacon]

31. Pelosi caves. Mccain is the Cavemaster. He sell his soul daily. n/t

[deacon]

33. Mccain, the "mavericks ass" n/t

[Naturyl]

32. The poll is probably crap.

And this far out, it doesn't matter much anyway.

Yes, it's going to be close. No use denying it. But our chances remain very good.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

34. There are a lot of assholes in this country

if 59 million idiots were willing to vote for an incompetent moron like Bush, anything is possible.

[Hubert Flottz]

35. People watch too much CNN and FOX.

Too stupid now days to deserve to live in a democracy.

[hack89]

36. Many independents I know

(and a majority of Rhode Island voters are independents) are concerned about the lack of experience. And the race issue cannot be discounted.

[kiranon]

40. Unfortunately, see the same here but CA will go for Obama

It's Kansas all over again but this time nationwide. Republicans are great at running campaigns and a disaster in running the country. Obama/Biden have to keep hammering away at the mess Bush will leave this country in and it's still the economy that has to be talked about plus security. I think security is a faux issue but it many do not. And, those who do not tend to vote Republican even though very few Republicans seem to serve in any of the Armed Forces. It is not explainable in rational terms. It is an emotional response and a stronger emotion response is needed to move them into the Democratic camp.

[dems_rightnow]

37. Most polls show a small Obama lead

But it's very close right now.

That's a legitimate polling organization. Obama's not going to take a "It's just a poll" viewpoint. Head in the sand isn't a great way to win an election.

[cobalt1999]

38. For perspective: Mondale had a 17 point lead over Reagan at this time in 1984

What it means is the campaigning hasn't even started yet.

Most people (unlike the political junkies here) haven't invest more than a couple minutes thinking about the election. Just wait.

[dems_rightnow]

39. No, He trailed badly just before the convention.

His own words:

"When we started that convention, we were down about 20 points in the polls. And every day our public support jumped 4 or 5 points until, when we left, people were really amazed at that range of speakers and what they had to say and the new directions," he said."

http://www.etruth.com/Know/News/Story.aspx?id=459489

[cobalt1999]

42. Okay, post convention he was up 17 points.

The point is, it's way too early to read anything into the polls. Historically, they are meaningless this early.

[dems_rightnow]

45. I agree completely

that there have been monumental shifts, historically, in post-convention support. We need to make sure it goes OUR way this time.

[2KS2KHonda]

41. When a poll shows us ahead, is praised lavishly. If one shows them winning, it is

automatically bullshit. Not rocket science, really. :shrug:

[Xenotime]

43. Beck is telling people what to think

and dems don't have a way to counter act all the RW bullshit.

[Marr]

44. If it's even close, McCain will win.

Election fraud can scrounge up several points.

[Jakes Progress]

46. A little Green Day?

"One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's going out to idiot America."

[The Stranger]

47. It's happening again.

But how do you take on the mass media?

[bdamomma]

51. protest at their doors.

[bdamomma]

49. the media will do anything to try a crowbar into things.

McCreepy has a place for Cheney, remember that? mc cain=bush, war, destruction, privatization and more death and abuse. if they vote for McCreepy.

[HughBeaumont]

52. America really dislikes and distrusts Democrats.

The Weyrich/Atwater/Rove machine works.

We're painted as tax happy and bad for the economy, even though Republicans and corporations they run are the cause of the ruin we're stuck with for the next decade.

They're painted as strong cowboy leaders, but the only nations we choose to pick fights with are either small or vastly depleted.

They're painted as better on terrorism even though the worst terrorist attack on American soil happened on a Republican's watch. And with his foreknowledge.

We're painted as anti-military, yet one look at the Dem vs Rep military history among representatives, presidents and others reveals a whole buncha Repuke chickenhawks that had "better things to do" while Democrats nobly served; sometimes volunteered to be human targets, as Kerry did.

We cannot kick our addiction to Republicans. Plain and simple.

We get whatever we collectively ask for. If elections are close enough to steal, they'll by all means do whatever is best for corporate wealthy America.

And the ship goes down with that choice.

[aikoaiko]

53. Not even a tiny bump from Biden -- great.

I hope O can turn it on again --- by it I mean his inspirational campaigning.