Sadly, the creationism issue is a non-issue for most Americans

[pokerfan]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml">Most Americans Do Not Believe Human Beings Evolved

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/creation/evol-poll.htm">Americans choose "creationism" over "evolution" when asked which of these two terms best describes human origins.

:puke:

[seabeyond]

1. our side doesnt believe in evolution when it comes to male and female sexuality

just everything else, so what the fuck. we can all create our illusions we want to live to fit our agenda.

[AlCzervik]

2. When that dinosaur reached biggie size did it eat Jesus, it's that the real story?

That graphic is really funny.

[pokerfan]

5. They teach that when dinosaurs and man lived together

the dinosaurs were "veggiesaurs."

[AlCzervik]

6. how f'd up is that?

[pokerfan]

11. "Teach both sides: let the kids decide"

[AlCzervik]

12. Did you ever see the special on The Dover school board that Nova did?

you probably did but if not and for others that haven't seen this excellent program, here is the link.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html

[riverdeep]

13. Amazing show.

Not only because it shows ordinary people taking on the stupidity of other ordinary people, but because it walks you through some aspects of the science.

[pokerfan]

16. Yeah, well worth the time to watch

"cdesign proponentsists" :rofl:

[AlCzervik]

17. i loved watching the reenactment of the testimony. I hope everyone gets a chance to watch it.

[melody]

3. Bull -- look at the fine print on such surveys

Much more sound studies (academically) have been done showing a strong support for evolution. There may be
those who think there's an abstract god force behind it, but evolution is embraced widely.

[pokerfan]

8. I'm not as optimistic

Imagine if 'Kitzmiller v Dover' had been judged by a jury? I think that judge is still getting death threats.

It's a demon haunted country.

[melody]

10. It's not a matter of optimism

I'm talking about elaborate, careful academic surveys that show strong support for evolution.

Just because there is an activist base of crazies can't outweigh facts -- they are stubborn things.

[pokerfan]

14. Look at the all the so-called "Academic Freedom" bills

promoting the teaching of the creation "science" in public schools: Alabama, Oklahoma, Maryland, Florida, Louisiana, Missouri, Michigan, South Carolina...

Someone is voting for these things.

[riverdeep]

15. Curious, do you have a link to a well designed survey or summary of same? Thanks. n/t

[melody]

18. Did you ask for the academic cred of the survey you agreed with?

That link only lead to a cursory overview. If you just want to embrace that study on an emotional level, be my
guest but it's fraught with push poll psychology and bigotry. Before we make sweeping, damning indictments of
ANY culture/ethnicity, we ought to have all the facts. All the facts are not in that study. It's not my job
to inform you. Think whatever you like.

[Princess Turandot]

9. Yes..even the Gallop Poll in the link (from 2001)..

had 45% believing that people appeared instantly 10,000 years ago. 49% believed they evolved; 6% had no opinion. The 49% included people who believed that God was involved in some way in the process but indicated that they believed that evolution was the process.

In 1982, 44% indicated that people appeared instantly 10,000 years ago as well.

This is a question which is highly influenced by phrasing.

[KamaAina]

4. Well, then, "People tend to get the kind of government they deserve."

:eyes:

[Middle finga]

7. And we are a so called world super power? This country has

been dumb down to the point where future generations better be prepared for lower standards of living. Becaused this country citizens haved regressed when compared to past generations. What other industrialized nation will reject their presidential candidate simply because they're perceived to be too intellegent (Elitist) because they talk and carry themselves like they're educated? What kind of dumb shit is that.

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. On the bright side, every Dark Age is followed by an Enlightenment

[pokerfan]

20. You're a glass is half-full type, aren't you?

:rofl:

[GreenPartyVoter]

21. Not a natural one. LOL You've never met a more pessimistic Nervous Nellie. I have

to go out of my way to find the silver lining in things. :P