Ok folks ISSUES not gossip

[nadinbrzezinski]

here are the things you can hit Palin on

Flip Flop, first she was for the bridge, then she wasn't

She has NO CLUE what the VEEP does... but there is more... she is also thinking on how this can benefit Alaska... she would be the VEEP of the US... and she has NO CLUE what her duties are?

Her stance on Global Warming... not human caused

Her stance on creationism... yep she beleives in it

Abortion.

There is an ethics probe for ABUSE of power against her... by her own state legislature.

And I am sure I am just hinting at the tip of the iceberg... no pun

Leave her private life alone. Unless you have proof that the child is NOT hers (and good luck getting it), what you are doing is engaging in GOSSIP.

There is so much to dig on this lady... and she's likable by the way... that we really don't have to go there. I know that the boys on the other side would... in a new york minute, but the pile of ammo on her is quite large.

Got it now?

Edit, I forgot, HUBBY seats on private meetings and may make decisions? So tell me, who will be the pres if and when McCain dies?

[TwilightGardener]

1. Issues AND gossip. She's a Republican fundie wack-job. Why can't

I be interested in dirt?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. THere is plenty of dirt on her without going where you cannot prove it

See BIL and state police

[TwilightGardener]

12. Mmm, no. If this were a man, I'd be just as fascinated with finding dirt.

She's our opponent.

[seabeyond]

are you going to change your post where in the title you tell du quit calling her a slut?

plenty of other dirt to get us on. why are you doing that. might still be able to edit it. dont you think that would be the responsible thing to do

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. People on this board have called her that. I called the people calling her

that on it.

Do you have a problem with that? I even provided link

Or do you have a problem on people being called on it?

[seabeyond]

26. you had one link to one poster that said see her as a slutty librarian

i believe the person was saying what she felt repugs? were saying, correct? poster did not call her a slut. adn that was the ONLY post you showed. again, not fact, you are leading people to believe that people are just randomly and often calling her a slut and that is bullshit

what about fact

and you dont tell ALL of us what we can talk about and what is off limits. the audacity in arrogance

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. There were more during the day.

sorry... called people on it, you can feel free to disagree

[seabeyond]

31. no. what you did was wrong. and irresponsible as you lecture others

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Sorry, but I called folks on not doing something

that will not help

Those who've done it, know who they are. In fact, several threads were removed earlier that used the other word, the W word.

[seabeyond]

38. i think you are making it up. i dont think you have proof. i think you wanted

to make a show. make a stand. make an offensive point and you had one poster say slutty librarian as she sees repugs will see and so you used slut to imply many were doing it. but i dont think htey were.

games

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. have a good life

[Oregone]

36. I got to 2ND this! She is an idiot in deep, and people are pushing fairy tales about her?

This is mind blowing...keep your eye on the ball.

Remember...people don't have to prove their argument. They just need to prove yours is bullshit. Posting Shakespearean crap about maternity issues is going to fall flat on its face, and do nothing but make her look cleaner beneath her grime.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. And there is plenty of grime

having fun in Canada?

[Oregone]

61. Are you kidding me?

Absolutely! The NDP is on the verge of claiming a major victory and you don't even have to hear about what politician has been bumping nasties with Elvis Presley.

I have Universal Coverage now and education funds with government matching grants. Of course Im a bit angry tonight after watching the left chase its own tail down into that sacred rabbit hole. Please forgive the absinthe and other foreign substances, but this is nuts. But what happens a few hundred miles south rarely gets me down anymore.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Trust me, at this point I know it is just not the press chasing blondes

it goes beyond that..

Just look at this thread...

I wish I could get out of here... as well

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. "True" dirt is evidence. Gossipy dirt can make us look bad. (Yeah, I know that talking

about stuff and researching can get us to evidence. I'm not denying that. But there's got to be some line somewhere between researching and gossip.)

[TwilightGardener]

14. I don't know, the "Obama is a Muslim" rumors and gossip did a lot of damage

and the GOPers are still counting on it to keep working. That's how elections are won and lost.

[GreenPartyVoter]

What a sad situation we live in.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. It did? Where? You mean with the people that would not vote for a black man

and needed just one more excuse?

By the way, do you have a left wing noise machine that will go there?

[TwilightGardener]

24. I happen to know how effective it was, personally. I have talked

to people in my town who still believe this. As to Miss Mooseburgers, we're just a forum, we're not the campaign, and we're still sorting out fact from fiction. Unless someone says or does something truly egregious, I don't think idle gossip is wrong.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Before the rumors, were they gong to vote for him?

In my experience the people who LATCH to such rumors (on both sides mind you) are only looking for just one more excuse NOT to vote

It fits their view of the world

[TwilightGardener]

35. Well, for all the people who won't vote for Obama because of

the GOP email smear campaign, I hope there's just as many who won't vote for McLoon's ticket for whatever nasty rumors are circulating about them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. What part of the people who still believe this were not going to vote

for him BEFORE the smears started are you purposely missing

Here is the elephant in the room... that nobody wants to talk about...

Yes it is ABOUT RACE and it will cost a percentage point or two. Those folks needed a better excuse... that's all

Oh and if this one spreads like astroturf I will be highly surprised. We simp;y do not have the noise machine to do it

And I can guarantee you... it will NOT be on FOX, CNN and MSNBC

The other one, was on FOX

See the dfference

[disgruntled98]

66. Dude, you didn't know. She's a muslim too!

Oh what the hell? I have just as much proof as any of those right wingers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. And as a medic I've seen things that would make you go hmm

but nobody in the medical field would talk either. Any evidence would be THERE... and I doubt anybody will be talking anytime soon if there is even a shred of evidence to this story...

Which I doubt has any shred, quite frankly

[Broken_Hero]

2. No doubt,

That bridge to nowhere....

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/wm889.cfm

Damn...my hometown makes the news, and its the damn BRIDGE to DAMN Nowhere......

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Frankly it was not quite to nowhere, just between the main town and the

Airport, but it became a national scandal

I liked the town by the way when we were there in the Summer

[Broken_Hero]

18. Yeah, thanks for that, :)

I heard about this...what, over 2yrs ago...I'm currently in SW Missouri, and I read the story about this in the Arkansas Democractic Gazette...I was like, "Hey, my hometown made the news!!!" and then I was like...oh geez...:eyes:

[Broken_Hero]

13. Add another bridge to nowhere...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6q__0-krUo

Gravina island, which is where the Ketchikan Airport is, is maybe...maybe 4 miles around...but I do admit, many Ketchikan folk(including myself, and others) have opposed this bridge for many years....

[MichiganVote]

3. How do you know she is likable? She is unqualified pure and simple.

[TwilightGardener]

8. I find nothing likable about her.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Have you talked to Alaskans and seen her approval rating?

You are confusing likable in the political sense with ISSUES.

Pay attention, there is much to hit her on, starting with her ahem had no idea what the VEEP does... my kindergarden nephew does, but she doesn't

And there is more, the little scandal with firing the head of the state troopers...

But like it or not, insofar as a politico is concerned, she is liked... and the people that McCain is aiming at... they LOVE HER.

For the record, those folks will not vote for Obama either...

[TwilightGardener]

28. Could not care less what Alaskans think. There's even less of them

than Nebraskans, and I'm not all that concerned with what Nebraskans think, frankly. Most of them think Chimpy is still the shit.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Okie dokie, got it, your opinion is the only one that matters

wow

[TwilightGardener]

44. No, I'm just letting you know that there's 49 other states, and I don't

think they're going to be awestruck by her in-state popularity.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. I know there are another 49 states

sadly I could make the same argument about Biden

and Delaware is even smaller

So this is again a non starter.

She was chosen partly because SHE IS popular in her home state

And partly due to her deep ties to the evangelical \ fundie right, aka this is to shore McCain's standing

But her popularity is not really an issue... just the fact that she was elected and had 90% approval ratings does mater. It means she can be liked as a politico.

You can undermine this ahem issue, with REAL issues... like her oh... stance on Polar bears and the environment

[Xenotime]

56. Alaskans are not the same as other people in the other states.

They kill animals and wear the fur for fun. They are all about destroying the beautiful surroundings they have.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Nice broad brush you got there going

been there? Do you know anybody in Alaska?

Yes some happen to hunt... and quite a bit of the folks fish... after all that is the economy of the state, and extractive industries

But darn that is a nice broad brush you got running there

By the way ECOLOGICAL tourism is a high priority in the state, but I am sure you didn't know that

[elshiva]

60. Isn't that a generalization?

buffy

[emilyg]

57. Do you know her?

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Exactly she is unqualified, as to likable

let me tell you. Alaskans like her... we had a guide sing her praises in Juneau

Granted, Alaskans seem to like dirty politicos but that is another story

[MichiganVote]

17. So "they" say. Keep her Alaska cuz' Michigan won't like her.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. That's a whole different matter, but she is very popular back home

that makes her likable... unqualified, absolutely... that is another issue to hit her on

[MichiganVote]

22. She has lost popularity points in the less than two years of her service.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. All poltiicos do,,, now who is McCain aiming this at?

the extreme right... they LOVE HER there... serious.... she is a "true conservative." And for the record, as far as their definition goes, she is

[MichiganVote]

32. I give it a week and you'll be calling her an ass for accepting this in the first place.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Nah, she is not an ass. I know exactly where this is aimed at

and I will tell you who

1.- The Right Wing, they are happy as can be... tappy feet, and unless there is a real scandal come out before the official crowning, they will keep her on the ticket till the end.

2.- The PUMAs who are still angry and will vote for a ticket with a woman on it... yep all eight of them

3.- Oh yes and women in general since we never pay attention... :sarcasm: and will vote for a woman in the ticket

This tells you far more about who they are than anything else.

Now I fear she will be sorry... but that is another matter

[MichiganVote]

42. No wonder these birds were thrown out of England back when.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. 'xactly, so now lets concentrate on the dirt, the real dirt on her

As is, I know women are paying attention and the GOP is again... ahem misunderestimating us

Hell, I can bet many republican women will vote for Obama on this choice alone when the time comes, and say they voted for McCain

What happens in the privacy of your voting booth is between you, and those who count the votes

[MichiganVote]

48. Marriage problems. Depend on it. Likely extramarital affairs for one or both.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

4. I hope this nips it in the bud...

but I have my doubts.
There's something about the human condition that draws us to smut.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. I have been trying ALL DAY to get people to join me in a conversation of

this type, but my thread has sunk like a stone tied to the anchor of the titanic. x(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6814057

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Well you know folks, they are attracted to the gossip

it would work if we had a left wing noise machine as powerful as the right's

Then we could start the story in the scream sheets (NY Post) send it across the Atlantic and then have the "big boys" pick it up as a real story

We don't

So going there ain't gonna help

[GreenPartyVoter]

40. No, our noise machine is about

yea big:




And theirs is:



*sigh*

[seabeyond]

7. you just started a thread implying we were calling woman a slut, rampantly

how irresponsible is that.

[LeftishBrit]

65. I have noticed it in a few places...

And the ones I saw weren't just calling *her* a slut; they were calling her *16-year-old daughter* a slut, which is far worse.

No, it's not rampant. But it gave me a very sick feeling when I saw it.

Palin is an insane fundie with no qualifications for the vice-presidency (no wonder McCain made the announcement at the Nutter Center!) but going after kids is wrong. JMO, and I don't have the vote there. But it's upsetting - and could, I suspect, be counterproductive.

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. xactly. we don't need it to be too widespread

for it to land in the usual places reinforcing a certain view of the world

Granted, will take some digging, but I am sure some folks are up to the task

:sarcasm:

[pepperbear]

20. it's the gossip that will make or break. sad but true. n/t

[shanti]

29. flip flop...

oh, you mean LIE. tell it like it is!

[Fuzz]

45. What about her job in Van Halen's Hot for Teacher video?

[The Stranger]

49. Bullshit.

This is politics. Today's rumors investigated reveal tomorrow's reality.

And never bring a knife to a gun fight.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. I think her stance on creationism and public education

not to mention on abortion is a nuclear bomb

My nuke beats your 38

Oh and it is real, I don't have to go look for it or use innuendo either

[The Stranger]

54. Everything is fair game.

At this point, we have no choice.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. I fear I will have to disagree

and it has to do with means of distribution mostly

We DON'T have a way to do that.

There is that issue about not becoming the enemy... but hey

And I suspect team Obama will not touch this with a ten foot pole either

[Solly Mack]

50. I've been pushing the issues all day

Everyone is welcome to add to it...the more the better.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3877864&mesg_id=3877864

[alarimer]

51. Yes but can she spell potatoe? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. RLOL... this is funny

[Hekate]

63. 5th Rec for common sense, intelligence, and dignity.

:thumbsup:

Hekate

[Duppers]

64. please

stop the hair, baby, etc. shit.

[EFerrari]

67. Three items from Media Matters on Palin.

WSJ reported that Palin "highlighted her opposition" to "that bridge to nowhere" -- but not her previous reported support for it.
A Wall Street Journal article asserted that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin "highlighted her opposition to a much-derided congressional earmark for her state," uncritically quoting her assertion, "I told Congress 'thanks but no thanks' on that bridge to nowhere." In fact, Palin reportedly had supported the project for the proposed bridge between Ketchikan, Alaska, and Gravina Island and suggested that Alaska's congressional delegation should continue to try to procure funding for it.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808290023?lid=561628&rid=13597521

Forbes.com claimed Palin "oppos" earmarks -- but her administration said it requested them this year
Forbes.com's Brian Wingfield asserted that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin "shares McCain's opposition to earmarks." However, in a Juneau Empire op-ed, John Katz -- Alaska's director of state-federal relations and special counsel to Palin -- wrote that in 2008, the Palin administration "request 31 earmarks, down from 54 last year."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808290024?lid=561629&rid=13597521

AP falsely suggests Palin supports benefits for same-sex partners of state employees
The Associated Press reported that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin "opposes gay marriage -- constitutionally banned in Alaska before her time -- but exercised a veto that essentially granted benefits to gay state employees and their partners." However, the AP did not note that Palin stated that she vetoed the bill because the Alaska attorney general had advised her that it was unconstitutional, not because she believed same-sex partners of public employees should receive benefits.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808290025?lid=561631&rid=13597521

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. And more will come, I am beting

[judasdisney]

70. Wow, after all this time, Democrats are stupid. Karl baits 'em every time.

Also gotta love the "Dumb Card." While Palin is playing dumb, just like many Neocons we've known, the Shock Doctrine gets rammed into legislation with the hidden hand.

[zippy890]

71. yeah like issues worked before

Kerry got slammed with gossip and that worked against him.

Americans are stupid with a limited attention span. But they do listen to 'celebrity' gossip. Obama's a mooslim dontcha know.

issues are boring to (most)people, bedsides they don't get the coverage.

we should use everything we got.