Take a gander at Palin's parents living room and all their pets

[seemslikeadream]

22 hours ago: Chuck Heath, right, and his wife Sally watch, in their home in Wasilla, Alaska, as their daughter, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. was chosen by Sen. John McCain as his running mate and choice for vice president Friday Aug. 29. 2008.

[EFerrari]

1. How insane do you have to be to have dead bodies all over your walls.

[Ikonoklast]

14. You should see Dick Cheneys' bedchamber, then

Grand Guignol.

[EFerrari]

28. Furnished by Blood Baths and Beyond, no doubt. n/t

[Cronus Protagonist]

35. haha - good one.. I hope it gets around :P

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

[TankLV]

97. ohmygod - that's a DUZY for sure...

now I've got to clean off my screen...

[dana_b]

132. perfect description

this actually makes me sick to my stomach though. I will never understand it.

[CitizenPatriot]

148. fantastique! Bloody Sarah, another monarch in the making nt

[Snotcicles]

227. Billy Bass would go nicely over the left shoulder of the brown bear. Take me to the river. nt

[Chovexani]

271. LMAO

Brilliant! :rofl:

[WilliamPitt]

291. Peeing.

:rofl:

[question everything]

36. Sadly, there are too many Americans with homes like that

And Alaska, especially. Two years ago, on a tour, we stayed at an apparently well known hotel in Anchorage. And it was full with stuffed bears and other animals everywhere.

I think that I purposefully skirted their lobby to get to the our room through the back doors because I could not stand that display.

[marshall]

74. It's that old "There are Two Americas" meme

We live very divergent lifestyles in the USA.

[Name removed]

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[galledgoblin]

46. decorative taxidermy is one thing I just do not get at all

ok, if you eat meat, and there's an excess population of a critter, like white-tail deer, then by all means, go out and shot yourself some dinner. you want to tan the skin? again, not my bag, but whatever. it had a nice, massive set of antlers? cool, I'd save those and mount them, maybe not in my living room, but if I had a den or a garage, it'd be a nice conversation piece. actually, since they're shed seasonally, if I found one or better a set that were big enough, and the mount strong enough, I think they'd be cool to use as a hanger in an entry way.

actually taking a dead animal, stuffing it, and putting it on display?

yeah, I've seen too many horror films to be comfortable with dead things staring at me in my living room.

the worst is when people try to make a "set"- a mom, a dad and little babies. D:

[EFerrari]

49. Caribou Barbie and Her Dream House Full of Dead Animals.

:rofl:

[galledgoblin]

52. collect them all!! D: n/t

[SoCalDem]

63. Oooh.. I bow to you.. That's a goodie

muk-luks sold separately:)

[KoKo]

71. omg......

:rofl:

[SammyWinstonJack]

73. Good one!

:thumbsup:

[a la izquierda]

86. awesome.

:toast:
disturbingly sick though.

[lonestarnot]

89. Her plans to start McMooses with real fur in every happy mcstew will be unveiled on Tuesday.

[TankLV]

100. Caribou Ken & his Condo of Carnage...

the perfect neighbor to Barbie...

Only be sure to leave out Ken's BULGE, OK?

[JeanGrey]

253. They HUNT. This is Alaska.

[EFerrari]

284. My father HUNTS, too, and his home doesn't look like

some zoo for necrophiliacs.

[JeanGrey]

295. Gee then I guess you wouldn't like my husband's den.

And you sure wouldn't like my Uncle's in Tennessee!!

[ullad]

281. Insane and sick. Good grief.

[la la]

2. oh my gawd

is there anything alive in that room except the old folks? or are they stuffed, as well?

[sandnsea]

3. I've lived in Oregon and Montana

most of my adult life. I am quite familiar with the occasional rack or skin on the wall.

All I have to say to that is

Oh. My. God.

:scared:

[seemslikeadream]

5. and that's only ONE visible wall

I wonder what's hangin' on the walls in the rest of the house

[riverdeep]

4. Hunting is one thing, that shit is straight up flipping the bird at nature. n/t

[yardwork]

6. The family that kills together...

[countryjake]

68. play reindeer games?

the loving couple with Rudolph (caribou)

[Solly Mack]

7. Barbarians for Sarah Palin

http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

[seemslikeadream]

10. Let's play WHAT DEAD ANIMAL AM I WEARING?

[Solly Mack]

27. No kidding!

[MisterP]

32. sound the feasting horn! n/t

[seemslikeadream]

225. Let us go and kill and prove our mastery over the planet

Maybe they should stuff this guy and put him out of his misery, they could let him loose and even chase him for awhile, the sport of it

[a la izquierda]

87. I guess she's "bagged" the Viking vote.

WTF?

[dixiegrrrrl]

112. Wonder how many of THOSE head will wind up on her wall.

" and here, is the State Trooper who wouldn't quit when I asked him to"...

[merh]

155. that is just icky

it's like some sort of odd cult and I don't see the american flag pin on her lapel of fur either.

:puke:

[givemebackmycountry]

8. Now, that's some funny shit....

Check out the dirty anklets on homegirl.
And isn't that Gavin what's his name from the "LOve BOat"?

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[orleans]

38. LO(fucking)L n/t

[TexasObserver]

9. because anyone can kill an animal, but what good is it if you don't hang the skin?!

[moriah]

11. I live in Arkansas. Looks fairly normal.

At least for the country areas where hunting is big.

[sandnsea]

17. My family lives in Arkansas

No. It doesn't. The only place I've ever seen that kind of crazy is with the militia types.

[moriah]

58. Okay, so maybe my family members in the country are really, REALLY redneck.

But when you go to my great-aunt and great-uncle's homes in Greenbriar, you have the paneling with many many trophies of interesting critters that have been killed.

And when my sister brought her husband up there for Thanksgiving when they first met, there was an issue about the men deciding to discuss the merits of different techniques for castrating cattle at the table (and specifically the complications that occur from banding). My brother-in-law, who normally has a very hearty appetite, didn't eat much that day.

They weren't militia types at all, but instead lived within 10 miles of the farm their grandparents and mine were raised on their entire lives, and were avid hunters and livestock breeders.

I'm just being honest here.

[sandnsea]

59. They must be

Because I've never seen it unless it's off in a den or some other side room. The living rooms I've been in might have one animal, at most, and the rest of them are either in a separate den/gun room or out in the garage. I refuse to let anybody pretend that the majority of rural America has a slaughter house on the living room wall. It's just not true.

[greguganus]

231. Maybe it's a one-room shack. lol Their summer McMansion. n/t

[hedgehog]

92. Sounds like normal rural table talk to me. Now in my family, when the

engineers and machinists start getting too technical, the nurses drive them from the room with their conversations about work!

[dixiegrrrrl]

114. they castrate cattle at the table?

eeechhhh

[Mojorabbit]

64. Well I have wild boar and deer heads

in my house and no militia here. Husband bow hunts and I process the meat which we eat. He likes the heads, I don't.

[NNN0LHI]

101. Don't it feel like they are watching you?

It would me.

Don

[EFerrari]

20. My dad took me out to his hunting lodge in MO.

There is nothing like kind kind of horrible excess there. In fact, I don't think the guys had trophies up at all. There were a lot of photographs of birds and guns in racks.

[XemaSab]

29. I lived for a summer at a hunting club in South Carolina

There were about 3 deer heads per cabin.

Tasteful, by comparison.

Two things that are missing in the Palin living room though: Where are the crates of ammo and booze?

HOW CAN THESE PEOPLE CALL THEMSELVES OUTDOORSPEOPLE WITHOUT THE AMMO AND BOOZE? :shrug: :cry:

[EFerrari]

34. Maybe they have an IV going. We can't see the other three walls.

lol

[moriah]

60. As I said, maybe that side of my family is just really, really redneck...

But that looked like the living room of my great-aunt and great-uncle.

Although their paneling was a bit darker, and the various trophies were more deer-related (many different large-sized racks, a few actual heads, etc) but he also had a few other animals and several fish and ducks.

Then they also had a lot of carvings and ceramics of various other woodland critters.

It is a little overwhelming at first.

[XOKCowboy]

93. Which is pretty much most of the US...

which is why I think that this post and the replies does DU and the progressive movement more harm than good. It confirms the suspicion of responsible gun owners that Democrats want to ban all guns and hunting. We have to remember most of America lives in those rural areas where hunting is not only tolerated but a way of life. By attacking these people we run the risk of alienating a large portion of the electorate.

Just sayin'. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

107. Most of the land is classified rural but not most of the population.

It's something like 20% per the Census Bureau definition and that's the most generous one.

[XOKCowboy]

173. Very good point. Now figure in the tens of thousands

of people who live in the city and still hunt? Your census figures count places like Pocatello ID, Missoula MT, Billings MT, Bend OR, Spokane WA, Cheyenne WY, Cedar Rapids IA, Lincoln NE, etc etc as cities but you better believe that the majority of the residents in those cities support hunting.

Rural doesn't always mean 20 miles from town.

[EFerrari]

185. I didn't know so I went fishing to find out.

There's something like four different major and many other definitions of "rural" when it comes to the FEDs and the states for official reasons.

I'm not into telling people what they should value or how they should live. I'm not them and my estimation of excess is only mine.

[mtf80123]

12. Disgusting...

What ever happened to "pro-life" republicans?

[Catherine Vincent]

13. Different strokes for different folks. nt

[yewberry]

15. Well, say goodbye to the vegan vote.

All, uh, 39 of us.

:+

Fight the power!

[roguevalley]

18. BWAHAHAHA! Too funny, tofunut

[LeftyMom]

19. Well, in all fairness, 30 of those are anarchists who wouldn't have voted anyway.

:rofl:

[Bluebear]

16. Good grief , Early Neanderthal Décor

[Triana]

24. "Early Neanderthal" - Bwahahaaa! n/t

[EFerrari]

45. Middle American Taliban.

[Algorem]

21. Her Maw has cool sideburns,man.

[southerncrone]

22. And surprise, surprise.....they're watching Faux Noise!!!!

[Triana]

23. Jeeeeeeze! Is there a live animal within 1000 miles of these people?

Doesn't look like it.

[Bluebear]

25. I can almost hear him belching up a caribou or something.

[Moochy]

106. Ack! Formaldehyde and Venison Farts!

Runaway!!!!! :puke:

[orleans]

40. omg--this thread is cracking me up--and to think i was so disgusted

when i read the op. (ok, i'm still disgusted, but the comments are hysterical)

[Life Long Dem]

26. It's almost funny - all of the trophy's they have.

But as far as attacking the family?

[LibDemAlways]

30. All I feel compelled to add is

It's a shame we don't arm bears.

[Generic Brad]

75. We have the right to bear arms

But we do not have the right to arm bears.

[entanglement]

174. Don't forget the right to "bare arms" as well

:evilgrin:

[DB1]

31. No doubt there is an oosik and baleen in that house as well.

[mithnanthy]

72. Did ya have to say oozic?

Now ya did it! My adopted Father was a Big Game hunter as well as a Doctor. He was a sick man and belonged to the Safari International Club and the Boone and Crockett Club for starters. THAT ROOM LOOKS LIKE MUCH OF OUR HOUSE! It was HORRIBLE...dead animals and "parts" (oozics made into all sorts of jewelery, lion ball coasters,elephant footstools, exotic lamps made from parts....sickening!!) ALL OVER the house...on many many walls and floors. I have "inherited" oozic earrings, bracelet and a full size "BONE/club" and what's an ozzic you ask? A walrus's penis bone, of course! But I'm afraid to look up what a baleen is? I have an elephant penis bone walking stick, a full mounted leopard and a tiger rug. I honor them and place them so they can 'see' outdoors and my 4 cats LOVE, kiss and lay with the 2 large cats trophies as if they "know" what happened to them. I think my cats think they are "Cat God and Mrs.Cat God". I was forced to watch 16mm movies of the safari's and kills and was forced to eat some of the kills...I've been a vegetarian for 35 years as well as my son and husband, for obvious reasons.

[farmboxer]

33. Scary! Need to watch out for the republican manufactured and

programmed voting machines, that 's the "only" way they can get elected. I have had enough of the creationist nuts!

McCain is a nut!

[PM7nj]

37. Oh. My. God. I am going to have nightmares now.

Two BEARS? BEARS? And a RAM? Holy shit.

[EFerrari]

39. How small does your . . self esteem have to be to need A RAM

mounted on your livingroom wall? :shrug:

[orleans]

44. wait...stop the presses!

"Chuck Heath is the father of Alaska Governor and Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin. He and his wife Sally Heath were reportedly on a caribou hunt when John McCain announced that he had selected Palin as his running mate."
http://www.mahalo.com/Chuck_Heath

i guess this means those aren't her REAL parents?

i think sarah has a LOT of explaining to do. and so does the couple masquerading as the REAL sally and chuck heath!

[EFerrari]

48. Maybe these folks are the on call taxidermists.

:rofl:

[orleans]

51. looks like they are running out of room on their walls...

they probably have a whole shit load of dead animals over at the governor's mansion.

sarah: "okay, fine, you can hang them in here but you have to promise not to tell anyone"

[countryjake]

67. Ya mean over here?

[VP505]

79. OMG, Palin has

CRABS!:wow:

[seemslikeadream]

105. countryjake ***IS THAT PHOTO REAL?***

OMG

[countryjake]

140. Yup, from an article in the NYT...

Palin, an Outsider Who Charms
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/politics/30palin.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

I was up half the night, reading all the articles that Solly Mack and stillcool47 have been researching, then went on to do a bit of digging on my own.

Here's Solly's topic:

Palin on the issues
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3877864&mesg_id=3877864

and here's stillcool47's, it needs some recommends and input from us:

Some interesting finds about Sarah Palin..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3882806&mesg_id=3882806

Both should have been on the front page!

[seemslikeadream]

145. Thanks!!

Me too :hi:

[EFerrari]

286. Holy cow! I was really hoping it was Memorex.

:wow:

[chatnoir]

149. WTH, they turned that bear into a throw??

Look at the trim they put on the poor thing. Sick ppl really.

[Withywindle]

235. I'm going to put this in my living will right now

"To whom this may concern: Sew gold rickrack on my hide when I'm dead, and I will haunt every generation of your family until they have to bring the madhouse with ball-and-chains back JUST FOR YOU."

[chatnoir]

249. Gold sparkle trim on bear = redneck interior decorating

Bloodthirsty + tacky = Style! in her sicko world

[Withywindle]

255. I actually wouldn't mind having my carcass taken to a GOOD taxidermist...

..posted up in a nice dress, with a cigarette in one hand and a cocktail in the other, conversational pose, good quality glass eyes, etc. to get passed around to various households of my friends...?

Wouldn't be so bad, as long as there was a good makeup artist willing to do the detail work.

Gold rickrack? Oh HELL no, I wore enough of that shit as a child in the 70s wearing homemade shit. NEVER AGAIN.

[Political Tiger]

228. She clearly loves animals...

...as long as they are dead.

[Hubert Flottz]

247. I think McGigalo was mainly just interested in seeing her big brown

beaver.

[orleans]

273. OMG! n/t

[Regret My New Name]

167. mine has a raider...

*lame*

[EFerrari]

170. LOL!

:hi:

[countryjake]

183. isn't that a seahawk there up in the right-hand corner...

seriously, I've blown that pic up humongously and I still can't figure if its a bird or what. I don't begrudge many who hunt furry things, cause I grew up and live amongst that ilk, but I'll draw the line at feathered, which is where so many young hunters start practicing with pot shots.

(liked your joke!)

[Withywindle]

233. They're just trying to collect all the zodiac signs.

My family's from Maryland, I've cleaned out my share of the shells of my sign.


The virgin head must be in the other room.

[orleans]

41. yeah, and what's that thing covered up out on the back porch?

probably an elephant they killed and dragged all the way back from africa. they just haven't found a place on the wall for it yet.

[DefenseLawyer]

42. The horned skull over the door

is the thing that caught my eye. I'm not saying they worship the devil or anything... :evilgrin:

[Lorien]

43. Well, that helps to understand her complete and utter contempt for "God's

creation". What a pair of loathsome creatures her parents are! :puke:

[gtar100]

90. Isn't it funny how those who believe in creationism

tend to have such disdain for the it.

Just a side note.

[EFerrari]

99. I was taught as a child that God made everything for Man.

By that logic, these people just can't have nice things.

[Bluebear]

47. And this is just ***one wall***!! nt

[EFerrari]

50. Don' t you feel so much better about your own mental health now?

Holy cats. :wtf:

[Bluebear]

54. Cats? Cats? Don't give them any ideas! Tabby will be mounted over the powder room sink!

[Withywindle]

234. I actually had a good friend who had a kitten skin on her chair.

True story. She had a tabby kitten she dearly loved, but the poor thing got into antifreeze and died.

She spent the night at the emergency vet's, she mourned, she wailed...She didn't have her cremated. She went to a taxidermist. Little kitty doily. :(

This friend was definitely off the beaten track, but she meant well.

[seemslikeadream]

245. Even cats like there big windows

[Withywindle]

248. Awesome pic!

I will never understand the mentality that prefers dead animals to living ones.


Although, when you think about it, it's kind of related to the right-wing mentality that prefers dead soldiers ("heroes," "martyrs") to living veterans who might need medical care and have the audacity to object to their policies.

Death is orderly; life is chaotic.

[orleans]

53. news bulletin:

chuck heath was found wandering the neighborhood last december with an ak-47. an anonymous call to police lead officer brinzski to follow the trail of felled yard displays--specifically reindeer. the caller said the shooting had been going on most of the night. local people have been warned to stay indoors and away from windows when donning festive attire.

[seemslikeadream]

55. Chuck's taxidermy guy has his lastest ready to be picked up

[Bluebear]

56. LOL!!!! And check out that wild cat-on-thing-with-horns sex in the background!

[EFerrari]

57. That's the creche for the front lawn. Gotta start Christmas early.

[and-justice-for-all]

61. I despise trophy hunting...nt

[seemslikeadream]

222. I LOVE PRETTY PICTURES AND BIG WINDOWS

[Duer 157099]

62. Maybe it's their idea of insulation?

:shrug:

[2hip]

65. One word--- OBSCENE! nt

[vanderBeth]

66. I usually don't support

PETA's tactics, but they have been known to be effective and gather the attention of the media before. I wonder if they will have a campaign against her, especially as people are trying to pass her her off as Miss Decency. This is just disgusting.:puke:

[Blarch]

69. sick people.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

70. Here's a view from their bedroom...

[Marie26]

76. How disgusting nt

[Mad_Dem_X]

77. Sweet Jeebus...no words...

:wow:

[seemslikeadream]

226. I like this guy's idea a whole lot more

[Octafish]

78. America: breeding ground for psychopaths

''If it bleeds, we can kill it.''

America: breeding ground for psychopaths

by Martha Stout
from the book The Sociopath Next Door

(note: The title of this piece does not come from Stout. In her book this section is simply titled "culture.")

It is entirely possible that the environmental influences on sociopathy are more reliably linked with broad cultural characteristics than with any particular child-rearing factors. Indeed, relating the occurrence of sociopathy to cultures has so far been more fruitful for researchers than looking for the answer in specific child-rearing variables. Instead of being the product of childhood abuse within the family, or of attachment disorder, maybe sociopathy involves some interaction between the innate neurological wiring of individuals and the larger society in which they end up spending their lives.

This hypothesis is bound to be disappointing to some people, because though altering the conditions of pregnancy, childbirth, and child treatment on a massive scale would be no small project, changing the values and belief systems of an entire culture is an even more gigantic undertaking, with a time horizon that seems distant and discouraging. We might feel a little less daunted if we were to identify a set of child-rearing practices that we could try to correct in our lifetimes. But perhaps society is the true parent of certain things, and we will eventually find that, as William Ralph Inge said in the early twentieth century, "The proper time to influence the character of a child is about 100 years before he is born."

From recorded observations, we do know that sociopaths, by various names, have existed in all kinds of societies, worldwide and throughout history. As an illustration, psychiatric anthropologist Jane M. Murphy describes the Inuit concept of kunlangeta, which refers to a person whose "mind knows what to do but does not do it."

Murphy writes that in northwest Alaska, kunlangeta "might be applied to a man who, for example, repeatedly lies and cheats and steals things and does not go hunting, and, when the other men are out of the village, takes sexual advantage of many women." The Inuits tacitly assume that kunlangeta is irremediable. And so, according to Murphy, the traditional Inuit approach to such a man was to insist that he go hunting, and then, in the absence of witnesses, push him off the edge of the ice.

Though sociopathy seems to be universal and timeless, there is credible evidence that some cultures contain fewer sociopaths than do other cultures. Intriguingly, sociopathy would appear to be relatively rare in certain East Asian countries, notably Japan and China. Studies conducted in both rural and urban areas of Taiwan have found a remarkably low prevalence of antisocial personality disorder, ranging from 0.03 percent to 0.14 percent, which is not none but is impressively less than the Western world's approximate average of 4 percent, which translates to one in twenty-five people.

CONTINUED...

http://ranprieur.com/readings/americanpsycho.html

Animals had feelings, too.

[peekaloo]

80. Those pets seem wellbehaved and housebroken! Except for crawling up the

walls I don't see the problem.

:sarcasm:

[lonestarnot]

141. They look a little flat. She doesn't feed much I guess.

[L. Coyote]

81. Makes you wonder why these folks bury their pets?

Why not just keep Lassie's head on the wall!

[Ezlivin]

82. They only killed those animals because they were ATTACKING

The bird nearly pecked out Sally's eyes. If it hadn't been for the steady shooting hand of her husband, Chuck, Sally would have fallen prey to the killer bird.

[Xenotime]

83. Fucking disgusting

[seemslikeadream]

229. More fun things to do with animals

[arcadian]

84. What's with all the Japanese glass drift net floats?

Is that town on the coast? The glass floats have been replaced by plastic ones, but the old glass ones still wash up from time to time. So an homage to drift netting? -2 for the Palin family.

[Sparkly]

85. Ewwwwwww!!!!!!!!!

:puke:

[NC_Nurse]

88. Well, they've sewn up the redneck vote.

[Courtesy Flush]

94. They were already a lock, so no gain :)

[krabigirl]

91. That is disgusting. "pro-life" my ass!

[L0oniX]

95. Dead animals make me feel so comfortable ...ah so relaxing.

She should consider using "I Am the Warrior" as a theme song.
:evilgrin:

[Mz Pip]

96. Not one appears to be alive

Not that I'd want an alive bear in my living room but a friendly pooch or kitty might make this palce a bit more appealing. Just a bit though.

[XOKCowboy]

98. The Buckhorn Exchange here in Denver hosted many parties during the DNC. Horror!!

It's one of the oldest and best restaurants in Denver. I'm surprised that they were booked solid all week with DNC parties or that any of the delegates, candidates or Barack supporters could keep any food down. :sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

103. Wow. I couldn't even walk into that place.

[XOKCowboy]

104. Yet every night hundreds of Democrats watched the convention at the very place..

I know this because one of my friends set up 60" plasmas every afternoon for those parties. Just goes to show that not all Dems are the same.

Besides the food is great.

[EFerrari]

108. Oh, I'm sure you're right. I hope last week was a good one for Denver

business owners.

[XOKCowboy]

176. Actually it was fun to be a part of history...

and yes it was good not only for business owners but tens of thousands of workers.

[chatnoir]

252. No way..

Hell let's just all dine out at the funeral parlor, shall we?

[brucefan]

102. They watch Fox News.

What a surprise!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

109. Why don't they just move into a funeral parlor or abattoir.

[chatnoir]

250. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[Lorien]

110. BTW- where did this come from?

do you have a link?

[Canuckistanian]

111. Hmm, same décor as Ted Nugent's bathroom

Post Survivalist.

[Joanne98]

113. YUK

[Codeine]

115. I'm assuming the folks crying "Barbaric!"

are all vegans, right? I mean, nobody could be hypocritical enough to condemn someone for having dead animals on their wall when they themselves have a fridge full of dead animals and some more dead animal strapped onto their feet and wrapped 'round their waist. Right?

Each of you contributes to animal death with every meal you eat, with the clothing choices you make, and with your toiletries. I'm sure that Palin's parents are as disgusting as any other Repuke, but insofar as their Walls O' Death are concerned they really aren't that far removed from your own lifestyles. They just don't hide it or insulate themselves from the death they cause by a layer of proxy killers.

[seemslikeadream]

116. Just one problem those wonderful creatures were killed JUST to be hung on a wall

I still eat fish but don't hang the bones on my bedroom wall

[Codeine]

117. Nobody needs to eat animals.

Killing them is no more necessary than killing a bear. Hell, at least the bear leads a good life before being killed, unlike your factory-farmed cows or chickens. And at least the hunter is honest about the death he deals; there's no hiding himself behind plastic-wrap and grocery labels to help pretend it's not murdered flesh.

[seemslikeadream]

119. That is not true not all hunters eat their prey

They do it just to KILL something

[Codeine]

121. Who said they eat it?

I'm saying that they aren't shirking from the killing. All killing is unnecessary. That you eat it doesn't make it more acceptable.

[seemslikeadream]

122. No the waste of life is unacceptable

The Native Americans ate meat but they did not waste and ALWAYS respected the earth that gave it to them

[Codeine]

126. Baloney.

Some tribes ran entire herds of animals off of cliffs and butchered what they could carry, leaving the rest to rot. They were just people like you and I. They could be as selfish and wasteful as anyone given the opportunity.

[seemslikeadream]

128. What would like me to feed these wonderful two dogs I have

Do you oppose animals eating other animals?

[Codeine]

130. Dogs can easily be fed a healthy vegetarian diet.

Dogs are omnivores and can be very healthy without meat. there are even a number of commercially-available dog foods made without meat for them.

Cats, OTOH, are carnivores and need meat. Same with some other domestic pets like ferrets. Obviously since they cannot survive without flesh (unlike humans, who can thrive without ever gorging themselves on a dead animal) then eat meat they must. That's just biology.

[seemslikeadream]

133. Oh I see just biology

Thanks

[seemslikeadream]

136. So it's ok with you if animals kill other animal for food?

[Codeine]

143. Of course.

I don't expect a cat to make ethical or moral choices. I expect it to eat.

People are at a place where they no longer find themselves limited to those sorts of decisions. We can live lives that do not involve killing animals to eat.

[seemslikeadream]

158. What about killing people to talk on your cell phone?

I suppose you're ok with that?

[EFerrari]

134. You have no idea what you're talking about. n/t

[Codeine]

135. What a useful reply.

And such a devastating rebuttal. How will I ever cope? :rofl:

[EFerrari]

138. One of the ethics that was pretty much shared by native peoples all over

this continent was not wasting food, whether it was corn or buffalo. And next to that was respecting the food source that sustained them.

Maybe you should start by learning something about Native American philosophy and belief systems because you don't seem to be coping very well with the amount that you already know.

[Codeine]

142. That's such bull.

Ethics are observed, by all people's across the world, when convenient. Native Americans were no more noble or perfect than any other people, and were as guilty of violating their own ethical strictures as any of us are. There is clear evidence of the cliffing of buffalo herds, for example.

Besides, how on earth can you ascribe one set of ethics to a widespread and varied group of people?

[EFerrari]

152. Maybe a better place to start would be looking up the meaning

and usage of the word "ethic".

[a la izquierda]

224. Only until they adapted technological advances.

Horses, for instance. I'm not saying native peoples were a bunch of ecological angels, because they weren't. But they did not practice what you say forever.

[bulloney]

278. Baloney? That's what they made that bear on the wall into.

[EFerrari]

118. I'd bet that people who depend on animals for their food, their shelter

their tools and clothing, their shoes and furniture wouldn't agree with you that their own lifestyle in any way resembles the conspicuous consumption of life on display in that living room.

[seemslikeadream]

120. They kill for fun not for survival

sometime with a asault rifle and with the kids along for the show

[Codeine]

131. Why shouldn' t the kids see it?

All children should be exposed to the basic facts of life and death, and know precisely where their food comes from.

[seemslikeadream]

137. Again no, it is teaching them to kill for sport that I object to

[Codeine]

146. Killing is killing.

You can dress it up all you want, but you no more need that chicken wing than they need that bear skin.

[seemslikeadream]

196. Killing is killing and killing people so you can talk on the phone is killing too

[Codeine]

123. Conspicuous consumption?

You've killed, or been responsible for the killing of, more animals in a few months than cover those walls. The only difference is that they display their dead animals while most people carefully hide themselves away from the death they deal daily to the animals around them.

[EFerrari]

129. Oh, bulleria. There is a difference between taking what you need

and in celebrating needless slaughter. The people in that snapshot are not being more "honest" than someone who buys a steak. And someone who buys a steak is not hiding from anything. They are looking for something to eat.

You're hyperbole doesn't really help people understand the point you're making. If you want people to be more aware of how animals are treated, the first step isn't to insult them.

[XOKCowboy]

153. Codeine my old friend... Here we go again..

I'll leave it to you this time. I'm too busy fixing a bbq of endangered Chinese cow penis.

[Codeine]

154. Already gave up, man.

The initial thrill I get from calling them on their hypocrisy wanes under the Sisyphean task ever more quickly these days. ;)

Cow penis. Fuckin' classic.

[seemslikeadream]

156. Do you use a cell phone, a computer?

Do you know you are helping kill 5 million in Congo by doing so? Don't you dare be so condesending

[Codeine]

160. Lol!

I'm not the one getting myself in high dudgeon over the animals in the Palin's home, am I? Y'all are the hypocrites here, not me.

[seemslikeadream]

163. You are responsible for 5 million Congo deaths just as much as I am for eating fish

Do you even know what Coltan is?

Take your high mindedness elsewhere

[Codeine]

166. The difference is

that I'm not going around judging people who do similar things.

See, here's where you're confused -- I don't care about your eating of flesh. At all! really, eat up. That's your decision, and while I would make a different one it's none of my business what you do. I'm a vegan who dates meat-eaters and attends barbecues all the time. I will not presume to dictate what you may and may not eat.

I spoke up because you are judging these folks to be barbarians because they kill animals when you do the exact same thing. Your HYPOCRISY is what I have a problem with, not your meat consumption. You presumed to dictate these folk's moral choices when you don't even have the honesty to admit you do precisely as they do. You process as much animal death through your kitchen in a month as they have on their walls. That's hypocrisy.

Honestly, I don't expect you to understand the difference, but others might, and that's good enough for me.

And you should be aware that not all columbite-tantalite comes from the Congo. Egypt and Australia are also sources.

[seemslikeadream]

171. that not all columbite-tantalite comes from the Congo. Egypt and Australia are also sources.

Yes I know and YOU ARE THE HYPOCRITE for judging me

[Codeine]

177. But I'm not judging you. At all.

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy in the judgment of others.

My use of a cellphone presumably makes me ineligible to complain about the problems they cause. I can accept that.

Your consumption of meat makes you ineligible to judge these folks on their animal trophies.

[seemslikeadream]

178. "I'm pointing out your hypocrisy" THAT'S JUDGING ME!! OMG!

If you're pointing out my hypocrisy then I call that laying judgement on me, but if you want to continue to deny you are not judging me then you are the one being hypocritical

[Codeine]

179. No, actually, that's not.

Not anymore than pointing out a mole on your face would be judging you. The only judgment in this thread has come from hypocrites who feel themselves superior to hunters despite the fact that they eat meat. You aren't a bad person for eating meat, but you have lost any moral high ground on the issue of animals and their killing.

[seemslikeadream]

181. You are the hypocrite because you are using a computer on the deaths of innocent human beings

while trying to be so high minded about the killing of animals, you seem to care more for innocent animals than innocent human beings

When you use a cell phone you are killing more innocent people

[Codeine]

182. LOL! Keep movin' them goalposts, SLAD!

Eventually you may find an issue you won't get well and truly trounced on! :rofl: :rofl:

[seemslikeadream]

190. Animals are animals humans or non humans you just get your kicks

pretending to be so above the rest of us when in fact you are no better, maybe even less so because you put animals above innocent human beings

Feeling the need to laugh about it no less

[Codeine]

200. You really have gone off the plot now, eh?

I'm not above anybody. I'm not sure how many times I need to repeat that.

Tell you what -- you let me know precisely how many repetitions it will take to penetrate your skull and I'll do that. ;)

[seemslikeadream]

203. Do you live your live without involvement in the killing of another living being?

I thought not... case closed

[Codeine]

209. To the degree any of us is able, yes.

No meat. No leather. No animal-tested products.

The difference between meat and coltan is that you must kill to get meat. The folks in the Congo could choose to stop killing each other with our coltan money any time, or we can transition to non-Congolese sources for the stuff, as many manufacturers are doing even now. There is no imperative that inherently makes coltan a violent product beyond human savagery, and if you've figured out how to fix that then I'll be the first to forward your name to the Nobel Committee.

[seemslikeadream]

211. The folks in the Congo could choose to stop killing each other with our coltan money any time

If you honestly believe they have any say so in their lives then you are living in a unrealistic dream world and don't have one iota of understanding about what is going on in Africa. And btw I am sure you are aware of the diamond business and if you think the people of Africa have any say in that blood money business then, well.......

I am not sure why you aspire to be a vegan but I hope it comforts your soul. I prefer to live in the real world

[Codeine]

212. How is veganism not "The real world?"

That's baffling. I just don't eat certain foods or wear certain clothing. I need to read labels carefully and check shoes for leather uppers. Can't eat at most restaurants. That's it, really.

Veganism is actually pretty common, and vegetarianism even more so.

[seemslikeadream]

213. I do believe we have gotten off on the wrong foot here and I apologize for my part in that

I am sure you are a very good person and so am I btw.

[Codeine]

214. Peace to you, then.

:)

And apologies as well.

[Snarkturian Clone]

256. Veganism is only the real world to deluded hipsters,

and people that have little self-worth so they change their diets in order to make themselves feel special.

[Codeine]

262. I just don't like eating animals.

I'm certainly not a hipster nor am I particularly special. But thanks for the personal attack anyway.

[Snarkturian Clone]

264. Anytime NT

[seemslikeadream]

184. The hypocracy here is YOU thinking you are better than the rest of the meat eating world

and you are not, every time you use a cell or computer you are eating the flesh of innocent people and that is the fucking truth, which apparently you are too self absorbing to realize

[Codeine]

186. Tee-hee! I've already stated up front

that my veganism doesn't make me better than you or any meat-eater. Hell, I DATE meat-eaters. I've lived with them. They don't bother me at all.

My point has been - and you'd understand this without endless repetition if you'd learn to read - that you and the other people in this thread feigning your Suburban Soccer Mom outrage at the hunting trophies of a rural Alaskan couple are simply not fit to judge. These old folks have done nothing different from you at all, they just aren't trying to hide it.

Your odd tangent about columbite-tantalite is amusing but apropos of nothing. We're all using computers here, so we're all on the same level, yes? No hypocrisy, just a sad fact. If I were judging you for using coltan than you'd have a point.

But I'm not.

So you don't.

As usual.

In fact, the only judgment on that topic I've seen comes from you, SLAD. Aiming to double down on your hypocrisy today?

:rofl:

[seemslikeadream]

188. BULLSHIT

Why are you not a so called meat eater? And why do you feel the need to judge people? You ARE judging people when you do the same thing only with human beings and proof of that is the computer you are typing on it's just like a skin on the wall, only this time with you it is a human skin and that human skin is perfectly alright with you as long as no animal was harmed


You've been called on your lack of caring for human beings and you are just too vain to admit it

[Codeine]

193. LOL! You are too much, SLAD!

>Why are you not a so called meat eater?

I don't like killing animals when I can just as easily, and much more healthily, eat a vegetarian diet.

>You ARE judging people when you do the same thing only with human beings and proof of that is the computer you are typing on it's just like a skin on the wall, only this time with you it is a human skin and that human skin is perfectly alright with you as long as no animal was harmed

That's the coolest run-on sentence ever! You deserve a gold star! :hi:

I'm not sure why you're so wound up on this coltan thing. Are YOU using a computer? Of course you are! Did anybody claim YOU were a barbarian for doing so? No!

Instead, you and your Suburban Soccer Mom Brigade presumed to call this couple out for doing the same thing you do. The exact same thing. Why are you right for doing it and they wrong?

And now you've done the same to me! You're throwing a tizzy because I use the same metallic ore you use! :rofl: You're confusing, but damned amusing in your passion.

[seemslikeadream]

194. dupe delete

[seemslikeadream]

195. Laugh you're way to infinity for all I care

Instead of posting crap like you post I have been posting about Congo for years now here, what have you done? Pissin' in the wind with you r high minded bullshit. You are just as much a hypocrite as anyone else here and you've been pnd on it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=566995

[Codeine]

197. I'll take this slow, SLAD.

You seem to have some comprehension and logic issues, so we'll move slowly here, k? If I get beyond you just raise your hand and I'll come to your desk and tutor you.

I could only be a hypocrite on the columbite-tantalite issue if I judged somebody else as being wrong for doing what I do. That's the essence of hypocrisy, the old "pot calling the kettle black" bit, right? I've not called anybody out on that, because we are all equally guilty of it. You, me, and everyone else on the internet -- that's just the way of it.

The hypocrisy here is your own act of judgment of this old couple. They have dead animals on their wall. You say that makes them bad. You judge them. Yet you yourself have dead animals in your fridge, closet, shoe cupboard, pantry, and gut. Why are your dead animals OK and theirs bad? THAT is hypocrisy. I'm a vegan and I don't feel fit to judge these folks, so where do you get off?

And if you are as dedicated to the coltan issue as you claim, why on Earth are you using the stuff? :shrug:

[seemslikeadream]

199. You are NOT vegan

Don't try and pull that shit. In theory using that computer of yours negates it, in my opinion, and I have a right to that opinion.


We are all meat eaters here each and everyone of us and that is the truth whether you like it or not you are not the pure one here

[Codeine]

202. Yes, in point of fact I am.

I do not wear leather, eat meat, dairy, or eggs. When I was 19 I read John Robbins' "Diet for a New America" and immediately adopted said diet and lifestyle. I am 38 now, so half my life has been as a vegan.

As a child I lived in Wyoming. My family hunted, just like this family, and I have killed and eaten many animals. I choose not to do that any longer. I have seen the death of too many antelope, rabbits, elk, and deer up close to ever go back.

I just ate a sandwich made with Tofurkey Hickory Smoked slices, Vegenaise non-dairy mayo, and some lovely tomato slices. It was delish. You should try it.

I live in Southern California, for fuxsake. Vegans are as think as thieves here! We have vegan restaurants, even. Why is that difficult to believe? :shrug:

[seemslikeadream]

207. Don't drive a car, bike, use a computer, cell?

Sit on a chair in the Dr. office? Give me a break you are not as pure as you pretend to be



Nothing you live with has any animal product? If the answer is yes then you are fooling yourself

[Codeine]

210. In my house there is nothing.

At least to my knowledge. As with anything one can simply do one's utmost. There's a whole discussion topic here at DU if you'd like to discuss the deeper ramifications of veganism and the choices involved therein.

Tasty recipes abound there as well!

[XOKCowboy]

267. My hat is off to you sir..

You walk your talk. You don't judge others or impose your world view on others.

:toast:

Oh shoot you prolly don't drink either. :)

[Codeine]

268. Not anymore, anyway.

Who knew that drinking three pitchers of Steinlager would make me so sick I never wanted to see beer again? :rofl:

[seemslikeadream]

192. When you ain't got nothin" use the laugh smilie

That always makes a person look so above the crowd

[Codeine]

198. You make me laugh.

I can't help it. You're cute.

Slow, but cute. :hi:

[seemslikeadream]

201. and so above the crowd you are, take your place with pride

[seemslikeadream]

172. You don't understand that killing humans for your convience is wrong also

and that you are a hypocrite for judging anyones motives


just because you don't hang a black human head on the wall doesn't make it right either

[DutchLiberal]

215. You're right about that one. It's sad so little people know this...

[a la izquierda]

223. Vegetarian, thanks very much. n/t

[Codeine]

237. Then you get hugs!

And a nice serving of this nori-wrapped tofu "fish" I'm preparing from a recipe on the Hezbollah Tofu blog.

[a la izquierda]

238. Mmmmmm...I want tofu and I can't find it down here.

Dammit, I'm jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks!:hug:

[Codeine]

239. Order it online!

You can get the bricks of aseptic tofu in three different firmness types from lots of online retailers. It's shelf stable, so it ships just fine.

Here's one place:

http://www.truefoodsmarket.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=tofu

[a la izquierda]

241. That's a good idea. Didn't think about that.

I'm heading up to the states in a few weeks. I'm gonna eat the hell out of some veggie stuff. and probably freeze a bunch for the flight back.

[Name removed]

254. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[yewberry]

261. Aaaand another pile o' poo from name-soon-to-be-deleted.

Why so routinely hateful?

[Snarkturian Clone]

263. Oh, I didn't realize you were a mod NT

[yewberry]

270. Is that your criteria for not being nasty?

You're a complete shit to people you've never met unless they're mods?

Your folks must be so proud.

[Codeine]

265. What on earth did I do to you

sir? My reaction was to others telling people how to live. I couldn't care less what these old farts do, or what you eat or wear.

[Snarkturian Clone]

266. Ok then NT

[avaistheone1]

124. Whoa. I suppose it is cheaper and easier to place skeletal remains on your wall

rather than burying them. What an ambiance.


:rofl:

[gatorboy]

125. Someone needs to Photoshop her face onto a Predator.

[seemslikeadream]

127. not too much photo shopping required

[EFerrari]

139. What is this, her Dick Cheney impression? n/t

[Fla Dem]

144. Repulsive, absolutely repulsive.

I know they hunt. I know hunting is a sport enjoyed by many, but to have all those carcasses hanging up in your living room is just so ghoulish.

[seemslikeadream]

147. Icing on the killing cake

:hi:

[fascisthunter]

150. Some Folks Feel Powerful by Taking away Life and Making them into Trophies

very neanderthal actually.....

[Fox Mulder]

151. Why would anyone be proud to have dead animals hanging on their wall?

[CreekDog]

157. Low maintenance

there's that? :eyes:

[seemslikeadream]

159. Yes I am so inhumane by spending $250.00 dollars on my dog yesterday

to keep him healty, I'm just an awful human being for eating a piece of fish. And I worked a whole week to make that 250!

[Codeine]

161. That's just it, though.

You are not a horrible person for eating a fish, but you are unfit to judge someone else for having made the decision that animals are for killing. Don't raise hell about these old folks and their trophies when you have made an identical choice.

[seemslikeadream]

162. Do you use a cell phone again I ask

[endthewar]

164. They're using animal skin as wall insulator almost

[Blaukraut]

165. Is there anything alive in there other than the two on the couch?

What a tomb!

[Regret My New Name]

169. You assume they ain't stuffed too...

[Regret My New Name]

168. OMG!!! A golden retriever....

That's a lot of dead stuffed stuff. Not that I would do it, but I could excuse a moose head or something in some backroom, but this seems a bit extreme.

[Kitty Herder]

175. Believe it or not, I've seen worse.

I had a childhood friend whose father was an avid hunter. They had more skins and stuffed hides in their small living room than you'd think would fit, including a mountain-lion skin and head that took up most of one wall, and a full-sized stuffed black bear. Stuffed pheasants, elk-heads, you name it. There wasn't much room left over for the people.

It creeped me out so bad as a kid that I would make up excuses not to go to her house and I refused to sleep over. I couldn't imagine sleeping in the same house as that bear. I was sure I would wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, see the stuffed bear in that half-awake state, and scream bloody murder.

(edited to add: She admitted that it creeped her out at night, too.)

[MzNov]

180. oh crap, I knew I shouldn't have opened the thread n/t

[quantass]

187. I once knew a girl who made her dead cat into a Purse...

True Story....cat got run over by a car and she felt so depressed she made her kitty kat into a luxurious purse.

:wtf:

[spanone]

189. when i grew up in ohio, i had an uncle who hunted in alaska

he had dead animals all over his house and although i loved my uncle, i never understood the trophy thing.

it's pretty weird for one species to hang another on the wall. imo

[Phred42]

191. that's a pretty typical Alaskan living room

[Codeine]

205. I like the paneling.

My grandfather had a cabin in the mountains in California that had that sort of paneling. Brings back happy memories of pipe smoke and him reading me the funnies on a Sunday morning. :)

[XOKCowboy]

242. Shhhh watch the logic....

You're supposed to be outraged.

[begin_within]

204. Why does it remind me of

[seemslikeadream]

208. good one!

:hi:

[WorseBeforeBetter]

217. Karen!

That hair was driving me nuts... NOW I know. LOL

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

206. It reminds me of an old episode of Night Gallery

where a father was a big game hunter and had animal heads on the walls of his den. He belittled his son who refused to take a life and threatened to cut his son out of his will unless he killed an animal. The father's man servant from Africa put some kind of spell over the father and, at the end, it was the father's head hanging up on the wall next to the lions and tigers.

[BlooInBloo]

216. (shrug) They're Alaska people. I don't begrudge that.

[aikoaiko]

219. I like hunting trophies.

:hi:

Its perfect decor for Alaska.

[seemslikeadream]

221. Pretty photographs are not good enough? Or a great big picture window?

:hi:

[SteppingStone]

257. Good photo...

But it breaks my heart :cry:

[KoKo]

220. ...

[susu369]

230. Hey Cokie, lend me your ear

this really looks "foreign and exotic" to me.....

[seemslikeadream]

236. DING DING DING YOU WIN!

[Withywindle]

232. FUG.

I can only say, it's lucky for them no one in the universe thinks dumpy-old-white-people pelts are pretty.

[Skittles]

240. disgusting

:puke:

[LeftyMom]

243. After the last incident, they take the human heads down when company's coming

Seriously, that's creepy as all hell.

[seemslikeadream]

244. At least animals show affection to their stuffed friends

[Chovexani]

287. Have I ever told you

How much I adore your photos? :D :hug:

[seemslikeadream]

297. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!! SO GLAD YOU TOOK THE TIME TO LOOK

[Hubert Flottz]

246. I've seen another place like that...

Hello, Master Bates!



I've always wondered if Norman had any kids...that lived

[Snarkturian Clone]

251. OH noes! Their living room is UGLY. That's SUCH an important issue!

ALL the other reasons to hate them no longer apply! Ugliness of living room is the most important!!! :sarcasm:

THIS is why they call us "elitists".

[SteppingStone]

259. Their daughter is pretty on the outside,

but she's ugly on the inside! Probably much like their house.

[Snarkturian Clone]

260. The daughter is not running for VP. Leave her out of this. NT

[EFerrari]

288. Their daughter is Sarah Palin. n/t

[EFerrari]

272. Oh noes! Someone calls us elitists!11

lol

[lpbk2713]

258. I could be wrong

but I tend to think it probably smells pretty bad in that room with all those 'adornments' on the walls.

[Codeine]

269. You probably aren't wrong.

Even good taxidermy gets a real funk to it sometimes. Add in the weird humidity in Alaska and it's probably pretty whiffy in there.

[B Calm]

274. Her mom has Elvis Presley sideburns!

[Tabasco_Dave]

275. Ted Nugent's music carer isn't doing that well

I guess he became an interior decorator.

[seemslikeadream]

276. I prefer my animals alive and with their boots on

[bulloney]

277. And that's just the roadkill they've amassed with their pickup trucks.

[merh]

279. See how the press lies - that is no "living" room

the trophy room, the dead room, the den - but not a "living" room. x(

[dlovato]

280. OK... Some reality...

Most Americans are meat eaters.

Many of them (although sadly a minority) are still hunters.

I am a hunter. I prefer to not pay the local farmer (using steroids on their cattle), the slaughter house to kill and cut up, and store to sell me the meat me and my family eat.

I prefer to do it myself. It's organic, human hunters serve a very important part of nature in keeping game populations in check, pay for the vast majority of funding for wildlife programs (not just game animals) from the excise tax (pittmann robinson), etc.

Hunting is something that was passed down to me (and many other's) from my parents, grandparents etc. It's part of my heritage, not only as a "human" but US citizen.

Taxidermy, is simply a "art form" that preserves memories of the hunt - after the meat is all eaten. It's taking full use of all that the animal provided - better than throwing the horns/skin in the trash.

Sadly, for those of you reading this that don't hunt, but are still meat eaters (probably most of you reading this fall into this category), if all the "horns/heads - of the cows you "INDIRECTLY KILLED" by eating big mac's, prime rib, etc where put in your house - your house simply would not be big enough to store them all on the available wall space. You (indirectly) killed hundreds of cows (because you ate them) - and their horns where simply disposed of.

The fact that the new Republican VP nominee grew up in a family that is "closer to the reality of nature" of most of you, should be a item of concern - but not because of the taxidermy displayed on her parents walls... The concern should be the lack of reality that most people in the democratic party have - it's impossible to be the "green" party when most democrats are so removed from nature's realities, and the human place in nature.

- Darryl

[EFerrari]

282. You don't have to eat meat you hunt to be close to nature

or to understand the reality of the food chain any more than you have to build an OS to operate a computer.

Stuffed dead bodies on the wall may be art to you but that is a purely subjective evaluation, not "reality".

And speaking of the realities of nature, Palin, like a significant segment of the Republican party, espouses creationism, repudiates global warming and is in bed with the oil lobby.

So don't tell me DEMOCRATS are out of touch with the realities of nature when REPUBLICANS are doing the best they can to kill this planet while they sell themselves as "outdoorsmen". Killing animals because you can is not in itself some kind of virtue.

[XOKCowboy]

283. Bravo. Great post

Most people like to think that their meat is somehow produced in the back of the grocery store and comes out on styrofoam and wrapped in cellophane. It's more convenient for their fragile psyches. My family is in the business of growing and providing that meat. Yes we eat our pets. My niece is an animal prodigy. She was walking around, under and over our horses and cattle since she could crawl and they loved her. She named and tamed all of the calves we had. She also learned very fast that unlike Smokey or Bobbi (our dogs) or the farm cats that her livestock pets wouldn't always be around. It's just a fact. It didn't scar her psychologically, it just pointed out the reality of our business. I think it's very healthy for someone to realize that the ribeye they're barbecuing and those shoes they're wearing were once part of a living being.

So basically if you drink milk, eat any kind of meat, wear any kind of leather then you're just as "bad" as Sarah's parents. You just don't have the heads on the wall.

[seemslikeadream]

290. You just don't have the heads on the wall.

You got that right

[dlovato]

293. Re:You just don't have the heads on the wall

Correct - all the cow/chicken/pig heads are in the trash. I think putting the heads of what you kill on a "wall" shows a lot more respect (especially when it costs $500+ to do so) than having a "slaughter" house "dispose" of the heads of the things you eat, or in the case of leather, wear.

- Darryl

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

285. God Bless 'Em.

To each their own. LMAO though at all the nose lifters in this thread hehehe.

[seemslikeadream]

289. Yea I don't like people that live with dead animals

[dlovato]

292. Economic benefits of hunting...

Here's some facts to ponder if you are going to "make a stand" against hunting...

Rassumsen <www.rasmussenreports.com> lists the following states as current "toss ups" in the presidential election in their electoral college tracking...

Colorado, Nevada and Virginia -- are pure toss-ups. So lets look at them in detail...

But first, here's the National economic contribution made by sportsmen (Anglers & Hunters)...

* If the $76 BILLION that sportsmen spend on hunting and fishing where the Gross domestic product of a country, sportsmen as a nation would rank 57 out of 181 countries. (do the dem's really want to eliminate that much gross domestic product from the US?)

* That accounts for 1.6 MILLION jobs (do the dem's really want to eliminate that many jobs?) Which accounts for $60 BILLION in salaries and wages AND 25.6 BILLION in Federal/State and Local taxes (do the dems want to eliminate that?)

OK - now just looking at the 3 "pure tossups"...

COLORADO
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• Sportsmen support more jobs in Colorado than Colorado Springs-based Allstate Insurance Co. (20,000 jobs vs. 17,286).
• Annual spending by Colorado sportsmen is two and a half times more than the combined revenues of the Colorado Rockies and Denver Broncos and Nuggets
($1.2 billion vs. $463 million).
• Annual spending by Colorado sportsmen is more than the cash receipts from dairy, greenhouse/nursery, corn and hay combined ($1.2 billion vs. $1.18 billion).
• Colorado sportsmen outnumber the population of Denver (593,000 vs. 558,000).

NEVADA
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• Sportsmen support as many jobs in Nevada as the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police (5,000 jobs).
• Annual spending by Nevada sportsmen is more than the revenues of Henderson based Zappos.com, one of the fastest growing companies in the state ($417 million vs. $381 million).
• Nevada sportsmen annually spend more than the cash receipts from cattle, hay, dairy, onions and potatoes, the state’s top five agricultural commodities ($417 million vs. $406 million).
• More people hunt and fish in Nevada than get married in Las Vegas (182,000 vs. 110,000).

VIRGINIA
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• Sportsmen support more jobs in Virginia than Northrop Grumman in Newport News and Virginia Tech University combined (24,000 jobs vs. 23,000).
• Annual spending by Virginia sportsmen is more than the combined revenues of Southside Oil, Uppy's Convenience Stores, Apex Systems, and Lumber Liquidators - the state's four fastest growing companies grossing over $100 million ($1.3 billion vs. $932 million).
• Sportsmen spend more in Virginia than the combined cash receipts from broilers, cattle and dairy products - the state's top three agricultural commodities ($1.3 billion vs. $1.2 billion).
• Virginia sportsmen annually spend $175 million on outboard boats and engines to get out on the water and around the marshes for fishing and hunting.
• Virginia sportsmen could fill both Richmond International Raceway and Martinsville Speedway nearly 5 times (857,000 vs. 177,000).

Now... Do you really want to make hunting illegal? Do you want to impose ANY additional restrictions on hunting?

McCain just solidified the votes of many hunters with his VP pick - pulling hunters who are democrats, undecided, and solidified the republican hunter base. Sorry to say, but it was a brilliant move on his part. Dems can go "ani-hunting more than usual, but that will only make things worse...

- Darryl

[meow mix]

294. hey i know, lets see how many corpses we can stick to the wall

wth

[mbee]

296. That is disgusting - Those good ole pro-lifers

sure do like to kill!