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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:21 AM
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Palin = Stolen Election 2008!
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 10:22 AM by leftchick
All I could think of last night is how picking Palin fits right in with the repuke/M$M making a huge deal out of 'Hillary Voters' these last few weeks. Then it occurred to me that this is what they will use to cover stolen election 2008! The tv idiots will be repeating over and over how the repukes 'won' because all of the hillary voters went for McCain/Palin. Never mind that it makes no logical sense. Watch the fake polls reflect that meme as well.

When you own the airwaves, you own the issues.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:23 AM
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1. I won't be sitting here with a frownie face if it happens!
You make a very good point. Wisdom! :applause:
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freespirit5 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:31 AM
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2. They are already planning the theft
Its a wide spread conspiracy.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:33 AM
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3. according to Greg Palast
it is already a done deal.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:43 AM
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4. That thought haunts me. I think
OH, no person could ever vote for McCain. He would not be running today if he didn't know it is in the bag. I know money is no object for the Republicans. They don't care how much they spend to get what they want. Our work is really cut out for us.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:57 AM
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5. And the wild-eye pick is evidence.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:34 PM
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6. exactly
once I realized it, it became crystal clear. There is no way in hell the gop would pick her unless they KNEW they had it stolen. Again. I am very pissed the democrats never addressed vote theft.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:42 PM
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8. And have you noticed the difference in treatment of protestors in DNC and RNC Conventions
has already begun? Keep fighting!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:49 PM
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12. consider a few things. you have OIL here so we, Alaska, have
been 'invaded' by the pukes. I doubt that Obama would just go back to the Senate if they pull a fuck up and damn it! they had four years and a big enough majority to fix this problem and they didn't. Dumb asses.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:56 PM
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15. Is there a link?
:scared:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:14 PM
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17. here you go...
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/287

2008 Election -- Already Stolen With Supreme Court Assist?
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 4:25pm. Analysis

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
by Christine Bowman

From a BuzzFlash Interview, 5/17/07:

People ask me: Are they going to steal the 2008 election? No, they’ve already stolen the 2008 election. -- Greg Palast, author of Armed Madhouse

Investigative reporter Greg Palast broke the story in Florida in 2000 about the purge of so-called "felons" whose votes were denied. His book Armed Madhouse documents extensive voting problems in the U.S. elections of 2000 - 2006. The 2007 update of the book also includes a chapter called "Busted" on "voter ID" laws that make it easier for local election officials to hand elections to whomever they please.

Turns out the prescient Greg Palast was right on the money with his seemingly cynical projection. The Supreme Court of the United States has just intervened, once again, to make it harder to vote and be counted. They ruled Monday to uphold Indiana's new Voter ID law requiring that voters show a state-issued picture ID in order to vote.

As Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman of The Free Press note:

Voting rights activists have long argued that since photo ID can cost money, or may demand expensive trips to government agencies, the requirement constitutes a "poll tax." Taxes on the right to vote were used for a century to prevent blacks and others from voting in the south and elsewhere. They were specifically banned by the 24th Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1964.

Did the US Supreme Court Just Elect John McCain? (The Free Press)

There's much, much more in the full article. These two reporter/activists have been key players in the attempt to bring more legitimacy to our election processes.


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:20 PM
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18. Thanks
I hope we're prepared. PA has me concerned given they lack paper ballots.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:37 PM
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7. I didn't think....
There were enough Hilary votes for Mc*!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:42 PM
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9. It is plausible
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:44 PM
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10. I wish I could say you're wrong.
:)

:kick: & R $5


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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:49 PM
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11. FUTURE HEADLINE: "Reluctant Hillary Responders" skew exit polls explaining discrepancy with vote.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:08 PM
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16. In OHIO some of our e-voting machines are under dbl lock-being treated as a crime scene:
County's voting machines examined
Brunner triggers state probe by reporting that fall ballot apparently masked a name

Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:22 AM
BY BARBARA CARMEN
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

When Jennifer Brunner cast her vote last fall, she is certain she saw something so odd on her touch-screen voting machine that it prompted a state criminal investigation into the Franklin County Board of Elections.

At least 15 of the county's electronic machines are under double-lock at an Alum Creek warehouse. It is being treated as a crime scene.

County elections officials asked the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation to seize the machines during the investigation by Attorney General Marc Dann and forensics consultants.

Brunner said consultants from SysTest Labs in Colorado, however, were skeptical. When she described the gray box with the faint words "candidate withdrawn," the investigators told her, "That's exactly what you'd see if someone masked a name."

-snip

SysTest investigators also found that the board had not performed a routine test of the computer software on each machine, instead testing just one machine in each precinct.

-SNIP

Investigators also discovered that a board programmer turned off "audit logs" in the voting machines in April 2007, hindering investigators from reconstructing software changes. White found that the vendor had instructed a board employee on how to disable audits to speed programming.


http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/16/BOEPROBE.ART_ART_03-16-08_B1_9F9LIV3.html?sid=101




HERE IS WHAT THAT LEFT WING GOSSIP MAGAZINE ( :SARCASM: ) SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN HAS TO SAY:

August 18, 2008 in Technology |

Planning to E-Vote? Read This First

With less than three months before the presidential election, the hotly contested state, Ohio, along with others, continue to have problems with E-voting technology

By Larry Greenemeier

ELECTRONIC VOTING: Most states have invested in some type of E-voting technology. Are they confident enough to use it on election day?
In their rush to avoid a repeat of the controversy that plagued the 2000 presidential election, and to meet the requirements of Congress's hastily mandated2002 Help America Vote Act (HAVA), states and counties flocked to electronic voting systems they hoped would eliminate hanging chads and other flaws inherent in paper-based systems. Six years later, with another presidential election less than three months away, many e-voting systems are fraught with security glitches, and the technology has yet to prove itself as the solution voters were looking for.

Such systems could allow voters and poll workers to place multiple votes, crash the systems by loading viruses, and fake vote tallies, according to studies commissioned by the states of California and Ohio within the past year. Makers of these systems have countered that the test settings were unrealistic. But that is not helping election officials sleep better at night.

One of the reasons e-voting systems turned out to be such a failure is that the only people involved in checking these systems were the vendors, who wanted to sell their technology, and the local election officials, who were ill-equipped to understand the security issues, says David Dill, a Stanford University computer science professor and founder of the Verified Voting Foundation, a nonprofit organization pushing for the implementation of voting processes that can more easily be verified and audited. "There was a certification process in place," Dill says, "but it had very little to do with security."

Dill is the author of Attackdog, threat modeling software that can examine more than 9,000 potential ways a voting system can be attacked, including computer hacking, ballot tampering and voter impersonation. Attackdog is part of a larger effort called A Center for Correct, Usable, Reliable, Auditable and Transparent Elections (ACCURATE) , which was launched in 2005 by the National Science Foundation with $7.5 million in funding. "Nothing we do now will affect the November election," Dill says. "We don't know how to make secure paperless voting."

-snip

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=electronic-election-day#comments
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:53 PM
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13. I'm always looking out for their cover stories to explain a sudden win in a close election.
With Kerry they used the Bin Laden tape. I think you are right with this, they will blame their surprising win on McCain's having a woman on the ticket and winning over Hilary voters. Looks like Hilary has got to go out and make it very loud and clear that Palin does not represent womens' issues in any way resembling her policies or viewpoint.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:55 PM
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14. If we begin to see polling data that backs up this kind of plan, I'd be very concerned. However
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 12:58 PM by mzmolly
we've made progress on the paper ballot front, so I hope we can prevent such an attempt.

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/

PA is a huge concern though as this state went for Hillary in the primary (easy to spin a pro-Palin meme) and has no paper ballot requirement. However at present Obama/Biden are five points ahead. If we can keep the race non-competitive, I hope they don't dare attempt a theft. I have no idea what the breakdown is county wide however? I wonder if we have paper ballots where they are most needed?
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:23 PM
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19. I'm in NE PA.
Luzerne Co to be specific. We are using the ES&S IVotronic machines with no paper. http://www.verifiedvoting.org/article.php?id=5165

My county is a fairly strong Democratic-leaning county. I think Joe Biden will help in getting the Democratic vote from here as well as in Lackawanna Co. but I have no faith whatsoever in the machines.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:55 PM
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21. Who is your secretary of state? It seems MOST of PA is depending on touch
screen machines. It's a shame that any State would heavily rely on such a system.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:27 PM
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20. You beat me to the punch, I just posted a similar argument
not realizing you already touched on this. The only plausible explation for an unqualified pick such as Palin is as cover for a stolen election.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 03:31 PM
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22. It looks more like they plan to give us a landslide. Just in time for
the economic collapse that is sure to happen soon.
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