Palin wasn't a McCain desperation move. He did it on purpose.

[jmowreader]

After seeing the post about Palin's ties to the religious far right, I started thinking--a dangerous thing to be sure--and decided Palin was NOT the Republicans' way to try to scarf up the PUMA votes. What are there, MAYBE five thousand PUMAs out there? Would he go that far for five thousand votes?

Not at all. The intent was to put a dominionist into the transfer spot. Then, when McCain decides to stop being president because of "reasons of ill health" in three or four months, a Christofascist who thinks the birth control pill is a form of abortion is in a place to do something about it.

He just raised the ante considerably--if you want non-procreative sex to remain legal, vote Obama.

[JeanGrey]

1. Please explain? Who wants to make sex illegal now?

[depakid]

6. The fundies on the far right believe birth control = abortion

they'll probably have to let you keep condoms.

Any more questions?

[JeanGrey]

19. That isn't making sex illegal now is it? Are we getting just a

little out there? :-) (I'd like to see somebody try that)

[FVZA_Colonel]

21. Without birth control, the chance of pregnancy would essentially render non-procreative sex

not an option for most people. Effectively, it would make sex (non-procreative) illegal.

[JeanGrey]

23. Oh yeah! Sure it will! Just like the lack of the pill before the 60's

did the same thing........... you're pulling my leg, right?

[cliffordu]

22. It makes using birth control pills, the IUD, the ring and the patch

abortion under the law.


Get pregnant, you take it to term or go back into the alleys for the coathanger.

Recreational sex among consenting hetero adults would be the rythm method, or condoms only.

[JeanGrey]

24. Birth control is never going to be illegal. That is fantasy.

[Zhade]

28. WAKE UP - they're pushing to make it illegal RIGHT NOW!

NT!

[sendero]

2. Or similarly..

... to appease the right wing who have never really liked McCain much to begin with.

[LSparkle]

3. If Rev. Wright was fair game, so is Palin's faith and church(es)

I think we need to find out exactly WHAT KIND of
Christian she is ... and if she believes in the
separation of church and state.

There are legitimate questions, which Obama has
had to answer -- not personal attacks.

[0rganism]

13. If it were a fair game, you'd be correct

Foremost, understand that Rev. Wright is an outspoken *liberal* preacher, coming from a social justice angle. It's easy for an unbalanced neocon-owned media to use that in constructing an associative character attack on Obama.

Attack Palin's religion, no matter how wack, and unless its a hardcore minority like JWs or Mormons or Branch Davidians, you'll be going up against something that's pretty mainstream and acceptable to the public. Even if the media were sympathetic to Democrats, they'd have a hard time turning an evangelical baptist affilliation into a compelling scandal. Yeah, those guys can preach hate from the pulpit, hatred of gays and science and various other perceived social shortcomings, but it's expected. Hell, half the voters in America probably hear stuff like that on a weekly basis in their own churches.

The problem with Wright was twofold: his speech was heavily edited by attack-dog press looking for an angle, and far too few people are aware of a social justice angle to theology. Even had the media covered his entire sermon, the message would have sounded bizarre. Americans seem to have forgotten the role churches played in the civil and labor rights movements around the world in the 19th and 20th centuries. Now its all about abortion and keeping a stranglehold on marriage customs.

We won't get to her with religion, or even on separation of church and state -- hell, more than half the population doesn't agree with basic principles of church-state separation, or even agree that they're separate in the first place.

[TXDemGal]

4. Agreed...it was a deliberate move to get the fundies on board

AND McS's campaign knew they could not have another white guy on board. The Palin pick was not designed to get people like my Social Security aged mother, an enthusiastic Hillary supporter, on board.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

5. McCain strikes me as very non-religious - just putting on the obligatory front.

If Palin is a deliberate choice because she is dominionist, it's hard for me to believe McCain did it on his own.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

7. He needed the evangelicals and had no intention of picking Huckabee

Huckabee carries too much "batshit crazy" weight. By the time the world finds out everything they need to know about Palin, November will have come and gone.

A fundie friend of mine said that the choice of Palin was "brilliant."

It was not a desperation move. You're right.

[ColbertWatcher]

8. First off, McCain didn't choose Palin.

She was chosen for him by his Party.

I agree with the reasons why she was picked, I just disagree with who did the picking.

[jmowreader]

11. Okay, McCain's handlers.

Unlike Bush, McCain is a big boy. He needs to be held personally responsible for decisions made in his name.

[ColbertWatcher]

18. But, the GOP party is behind them both.

Neither Bush nor McCain does anything without prior approval from the Party.

[KharmaTrain]

9. McCain Didn't Do It...Rove Did...

That's whose calling the shots here...and for several cynical motives and reasons.

First, Palin is the cover girl for the fundies...many who still weren't too hot on Commander Huff'nPuff and threatened to bolt if he had picked either Lieberman or Ridge. This was a grab to make sure the church busses were filled on election day and the checks would start flowing in. I just read his campaign raked in $4.5 mil within the past 24 hours.

The PUMAs were a plant...an attempt to divide and create a cover for some women, who just can't vote for a black, to make noise...and with Palin they can now vote for the woman...no matter how opposite she is for everything Hillary Clinton stands for...and give them the cover for not voting for Obama...pandering to the closet racists out there.

PUMAs weren't Democrats to begin with...just follow the money and I saw one the other day with Tweety all but saying how by not nominating Hillary the Democrats have lost the women's vote for the next 8 years. A shame the corporate media allows these attention whores to spew their bile without doing any real checking on who they are.

Cheers...

[librechik]

10. Exactly. and Rove didn't pick her because she will rule that way, but because she will draw votes

of those idiots who can be led to believe she will vote that way.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

12. To his credit, Tweety said the woman was obviously nuts

and kept mentioning that fact for the rest of the day's coverage.

[KharmaTrain]

A Lone Voice In The Woods

I got so sick of the corporate bobbleheads saying what a "bold" move this was. Replace bold with desperate and that would be more like it.

Welcome to DU

:toast:

[0rganism]

15. PUMAs were essential in creating the media narrative

Historians will have great fun looking back on the role the media played in deciding this election.

The corporate-owned media likes simplicity, craves a compelling angle, and shuns nuance. PUMA fits that mold to a tee -- a simple rationale, ad hoc victims (mostly white women) ready to deploy as needed, and not a word about the actual candidates' policy positions. This was planned from the day Hillary announced her candidacy, and led to the "Democratic house divided against itself" narrative that's persisted up to this point.

Had she won, there would be a similar countermovement used to sabotage her candidacy and support that same narrative.

[alfredo]

14. Banning birth control has been on the agenda for a long time for the

Theocratic right.


Look at this picture.

Body language- tongue between teeth and forced smile is a mixed message, but probably means "I don't like you, leave me alone." Let's read her body language. We might be able to learn a lot about her that way.

[MarjorieG]

16. Only way to bring enthusiasm, fundies help to get votes. If works to actually win, it's dangerous

[deacon]

17. Mccain's choice is the biggest FLIP FLOP of this entire campaign. n/t

[entanglement]

20. If he was really desperate, he'd have chosen Paris Hilton

:evilgrin:

[HughMoran]

25. heh

That's funny.

[seemslikeadream]

26. Who needs them?

[Lucinda]

27. She's pro-contraception. Not against it.