Trig was born there on April 18, 2008 Here is the hospital record

[seemslikeadream]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/

Trig was born there on April 18, 2008, we are told. For what it's worth, here's the online list of births at Mat-Su on that date.


.........

I saw the list and Trig was not on it, Mat-Su web site is down now and can't link to it

[Fuzz]

NOT on it?

Weird

[madaboutharry]

1. It's down, but why would Sullivan link to it if

the name wasn't on the list? I am confused.

[seemslikeadream]

4. To show the Palin baby was NOT on the list

[hisownpetard]

12. Maybe someone tied their tubes.

[L. Coyote]

50. Off to the DUzzy page!

Maybe her tubes are tied! Then we would really have a series of tube stories from Alaska!

[hisownpetard]

69. Where is JeffR when ya need him?!

:hi:

[liberal N proud]

2. Web site is down now, I wonder why?

Guess the tubes got plugged

[seemslikeadream]

6. I got there 5 minutes ago but went back to read Sullivan again

and when I tried again.....nothing

[JohnnyLib2]

3. Good to hear that he was, indeed, born.

[grasswire]

5. I saw that list yesterday...

....actually very early this morning, and no baby fitting the description of Trig was on the list. The only baby close to his birth weight was a girl.

[madeline_con]

63. Like they'd lie about who the mother is but not the weight. n/t

[KoKo]

7. "Trig" is then..."Baby Unknown" ....Gov put the Kabosh on records?

:shrug: It's sad to say but that's what Repugs do. They put "hold on records" and if they can find someone to "doctor them" then if they are ever released (unlikely given they own our Federal and State Judges) they just say..."shut down...nothing to see here...just move along."

Is that what you are implying from what you posted? :shrug:

[KharmaTrain]

8. It's The Same Old Same Old

The famous Watergate lesson appears to be at work here and with several of the other Palin scandals/questions...it's not the "crime" (and no, having a child no matter who the mother is is NOT a crime...I feel terrible for this baby and how it's been made into a prop), but the coverup.

:hi:

[seemslikeadream]

10. and McCain made him a prop

[KharmaTrain]

17. I Still Find This Pic Disgusting...

That is the cover of this week's People. The corporate media was fed how this woman had such a "compelling" story...what they didn't realize that this compelling game is now different in the age of the blogoshpere. This story is starting to go from viral to terminal.

My big issue here is coming from someone who has a handicapped sibbling and how my mother devoted the rest of her life caring for that child. Palin was back ast work after 3 days? What kind of parent is that? My wife and I always put our children ahead of career...always having a parent at home to be there for our children...and, thankfully, they grew up very healthy...this baby needs a lot of care and attention...not from a nanny, but from a mother. She should have resigned the day this baby was born...or taken an extended leave. Instead, she now is dragging this child into the fishbowl of the media circus.

Shameful...

[seemslikeadream]

22. That needs it's own thread

I can't believe that, just can't believe that

[KharmaTrain]

23. My Threads Drop Like Boulders

Feel free to grab the pic and see how it goes...

Cheers...

:toast:

[KoKo]

27. That's the Cover...it's not a photoshop? Where are the rest of the kids?

If that's the cover it's really using that baby as a "Trophy Baby" for the RW... it's really depressing to see shit like that. Using a baby is why so many of us are angry about Palin...but it seems to be misinterpreted by some people around here...

Not you...btw. ..it's just amazing that folks make this into a "Feminist Issue" about "Multi-Tasking" missing what the Repug RW is doing. But, that's my own opinion.

[seemslikeadream]

29. THANKS KoKo01

[KharmaTrain]

30. Here's The Story...

Please don't read if you've recently eaten. Disgusting doesn't begin to define this...

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685,00.html

[KoKo]

34. Thanks...I never read people...so I would have missed it....

will check it out...and thanks for "barf alert." The photo just about gagged me.. McCain looks like a "stuffed suit" in that photo... Bizarre...really.

[madeline_con]

62. She could do a lot of work from home, with the help of her staff.

By postponing or cancelling pipeline dedication ceremonies and animal murders, she'd have time to work and be with Trig (what the hell kind of name is that? Isn't her oldest son's name Truck?) :eyes:

[seemslikeadream]

9. Sullivan is saying there is no record of Trig being born at the hospital Palin went to

:shrug:

[KoKo]

28. Well thank the "stars" or whatever that someone who has creds in media is on this....

and that he was a darling of RW at one time makes it all the better that it will get more attention and investigation that holds up than what we can do as hard as we try. But, there must be something there if "Sully" is on it..:shrug:

[seemslikeadream]

42. I heard today that the DNC offensive team went up there to take a look at the local

papers, they were told by the news guys NO ONE HAD BEEN UP THERE TO LOOK

Not the RNC!!

[solowannabee]

11. here is the proof that Bristol is still preggers and Trig is Sarah's baby

check out this pic:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=117egpk&s=4

can anyone verify that photo is real? It was apparently taken a day or two ago.

I found the photo at this url, along with some comments from one sue williams, a neighbor of palin's. Williams comments explain the situation.

I do not have enuf posts to start my own thread, so please start one for me with this info.


from the comments on this blog:
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/off-to-the-lan...


Sue Williams, commentor claiming to live near Palin and know here says baby is Sarah Palin's and that the oldest daughter is still pregnant and just got married.


Here are some of her comments:



Sue Williams (12:31:50) :

To the person who commented on Sarah’s hair - no, it’s what happens when one has hair extensions - which Sarah, at one time, don’t know about now, had.

Re: babygate - I don’t know what’s being reported. Here, however, is the truth. Trig is Sarah and Todd’s baby.

When Sarah first learned she was pregnant, it was shocking and overwhelming. While she and Todd had not planned to have anymore children, it is common knowledge among their family and friends that neither of them ever surgically insured that they wouldn’t have any “late in life” surprises/blessings.

This, to me, showed a disturbing lack of judgement. If you want to ask the citizens of a state to let you run the state for four years, to me she and Todd should have thought ahead and determined that the possibility of an unplanned pregnancy wouldn’t have been prudent for either the child, their family, their extended family (who are the ones who end up helping them raise their current four children) or the citizens of the state.

They either didn’t think this through, or didn’t care. Not sure. But, either way, to me and to others, it was a lack of foresight and judgement.

But it is the same vein - this lack of judgement - Sarah showed, on the campaign trail for governor, when asked who would raise her children should she win, she promptly stated that Todd would quit his job and stay at home with the kids (Todd works a “Slope” week on/week off schedule).

Sarah was elected and then - whoops. Todd didn’t like the stay at home gig - so Sarah, citing they needed money for the kid’s college (even though Track enlisted in the military) said Todd was returning to work. When asked about her statements on the campaign trail about how Todd would quit his job, Sarah said she’d actually never talked to him about what they would do if she was elected (in terms of his employment) and that she’d spoken out of turn when she spoke for him stating he’d quit his job.

Again, call me picky, but this is the kind of bizarre judgement Sarah routinely displays. Are you kidding me that she would run for governor and she and her husband would somehow not think to have a conversation about what to do with their four school aged kids? That’s insane. So, either her judgement is super goofy, or she wasn’t telling the truth. Either way, it’s not reassuring to now think this is someone who would be one 72 year old heartbeat away from having to call shots for the country/world.

So Todd trots himself back to work and Sarah is busy traipsing around the state and the nation. The kids are “farmed out” (this is the word used by thier associates in “the Valley”) to family and friends to raise while Todd and Sarah are off having their respective careers (Sarah is famously quoted as saying, “My mom does whatever I need her to”).

During this period is when Bristol, Sarah’s sixteen year old daughter, turns up pregnant. So, it’s kind of interesting to note that the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee and her sixteen year old junior in high school unwed daughter were carrying babies at the same time. Once Bristol’s condition became more obvious this summer, she was whisked out of sight and hasn’t been seen in public until yesterday in Ohio. This is why Trig’s blanket was strung across her entire abdomen and torso, but, when she walked down the stairs from the stage, in a profile shot, it was very clear to see she is well into her third trimester of her pregnancy.

It has come out in the past couple of days that she and her high school boyfriend had a quickie wedding and that she is home schooling her senior year.

The Anchorage Daily News has known about this for months - and haven’t touched the story. But I can’t imagine the national press or the Democratic Party will be as willing to turn a blind eye.

For me, once again it speaks to judgement. We all - every single one of us - even Sarah’s closest friends in the Valley (I know, I’ve been speaking to them) know she is in no way qualified for this position. At all.

But then, why would she accept the nomination, knowing that Bristol’s situation will come to light and knowing her hunger for national and international acclaim and attention will carry with it a mighty high price for her seventeen year old daughter who had absent parents last year and who turned up pregnant.

How embarrassing will it be for Bristol once the news (or the baby) comes out and not just the Valley, not just Alaska, not just the USA - but Bristol will be known the world over as the seventeen year old unwed - then quickly wed senior-in-high-school-homeschooled-teenage mom and daughter to the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee?

How hard will that degree of scrutiny and shame be?

How does one do that to one’s daughter?

How does one dash about the country for the next 66 days trying to pull off an image of the devoted mother of five when she, by and large, isn’t the one raising them and when one of them - her daughter, is in a truly vulnerable point in life; not to say anything about the needs of Trig. But maybe he doesn’t count, except as a talking point or a photo prop. But this is a person, a little boy who is going to require a tremendous amount of time and attention. From his mother.

This is okay?






Sue Williams (08:34:00) :

You all are a hoot. Kind of. You have no idea how surreal this whole pick is for Alaskans. NO ONE up here that I know - beside “bumper sticker citz” think Sarah is ready for - heck, the Senate, let alone VP or the White House. It’s truly crazy.

Here are the facts - and really, if you want to spend time trying to understand Sarah, my best advice to you is to go to Andrew Halcro.com and read the past six weeks worth of his blog entries and the comments section - or, the Anchorage Daily News (adn.com). The ADN is very Palin friendly (the staff is all hoping she’ll bring them on board her Administration - cynical? Yes. But, kind of true, too. She rewarded the editor with a nice post in DC once she was elected gov).

Re: the pregnancy stuff. I wouldn’t bother trying to track down anymore photos. Some I’ve seen have the wrong dates assoicated with them anyway. Sarah gave birth to Trig. Many of us in Alaska speculated she kept her mouth shut b/c she didn’t want people in DC to know when she went there in Feb (it allowed her to get to talk VP speculation). By the end of the preg (like late March, early April) she did look pregnant - her face got full and she only wore black changing out her scarves for color.

Trig is Sarah and Todd’s baby. She was very open (once she told everyone she was pregnant) that learning she was pregnant was a difficult thing, let alone learning he had Down’s. Sarah is amazingly ambitious. She doesn’t like to let anything stop her - clearly, she, and all of us, and anyone with a functioning mind, saw this pregnancy as taking her out of VP speculation. But, what do you know, John McCain I guess, doesn’t have a functioning mind.

Bristol Palin is pregnant. She is well into her third trimester. She has been out of sight in Alaska for the past couple months. I learned the morning we all heard Sarah was chosen that Bristol and her high school boyfriend had had a quickie wedding. So, at least Sarah’s grandchild won’t be born to an unwed teenage mother, just a teenage, senior in high school mother.

When Todd and Sarah first learned Bristol was pregnant, they were “devastated” - which parents wouldn’t be? Sarah said she knew the scrutiny of the press would be hard for Bristol to take.

And then Sarah decides it’s okay to run for VP? If she thought the press in down home Alaska - a press corp who has given her family a free pass and who, even tho they’ve known about Bristol’s pregnancy for months, hasn’t touched it with a ten foot pole - if Sarah thought Alaska’s press would be hard for Bristol to bear, just exactly what did she think the nation’s press pool would be like? Or the fact that by accepting McCain’s offer to join the ticket, Sarah knew full well Bristol will become the most well known pregnant high school senior ON THE PLANET.

Apparently that’s what blind ambition does for you, folks. It blinds you to the hearts and needs and lives and emotions and futures of everyone around you - incl. your own daughter who, God only knows how she’ll bear up under the shock and shame when this story finally comes out.

No thank you. I would like a VP candidate who puts the lives of the people she’s supposed to be caring for first, above her own. Since, for social reasons (abortion and gay issues) I can’t in my conscience vote for Obama, I’ll show up in the booth this Nov and vote for congressional races then slip out before casting a vote for people who have no business being given the responsibility and honor of running our nation.

This whole thing is sick. Sick.








Sue Williams (09:56:01) :

Oh my gosh, you guys. Please. What do I care if Trig is Bristol’s baby? Maybe he was and now she’s pregnant again. I don’t know. That seems unlikely to me. Look, all I can tell you is Bristol is pregnant. Have you never lived in a small town? When one hears this “rumor” (and okay, I admit, I never heard it straight from Sarah’s mouth) but have heard it from close to 20 people who are all long time friends of the family. Maybe they are all lying - and have been lying since April of this year when Willow’s boyfriend (Willow is the 8th grader) wouldn’t shut up about how Bristol was pregnant. The story came out (not by the news, of course, because all four reporters in this state wanted Sarah to choose them next for some cool govt post) but by everyone whose anyone around here (and it’s not a hard job to be an “everyone” when there’s so few of us).

What I’m seeing is that America doesn’t know how small towns work. You either lead the lily pure white life, or you move to a city, or, when your child turns up pregnant at 16, you hide her somewhere. That’s what happened here. Now, apparently, Sarah is keeping Bristol on the bus with Trig while she makes her appearances.

This must be the problem with conspirators, when the truth stares them straight in the eyes, they don’t know how to recongize it. Please.

[solowannabee]

13. this pic was taken at the same time

but is not really dispositive:

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/John+McCain+Announces+Running+Mate+Dayton+72ffkr-IoWcl.jpg

[seemslikeadream]

15. What do this prove?

Daughter doesn't look pregs there

[grasswire]

19. the girl in red is the OTHER daughter

Not the one said to be PG.

[solowannabee]

20. thnaks

good to see some intelligent comments. THanks for your contribution.

[seemslikeadream]

21. That's what I thought but then why did she post that photo?

[seemslikeadream]

14. oldest daughter is still pregnant and just got married.

I didn't know she was pregnant, or did I?

[progressivebydesign]

16. Wow. But if Bristol is pregnant why would her Mom take her out in public?

When her Mom could have just hired a nanny to watch Trig while she was busy, but have him close by?

[katandmoon]

24. More pics -- from McCain's daughter's blog

McCain Bloggette

[Fridays Child]

26. Here, Bristol looks like she could be pregnant. Hard to say for sure, though.

[solowannabee]

31. nice find

maybe we can lighten that one up, too, and see what it reveals!

Thanks

[seemslikeadream]

32. So you've proved she pregnant who cares about her we're talking about her mom and other sister

[Fridays Child]

35. Actually, Bristol is the one who is rumored to be Trig's biological mother.

In any case, if she is pregnant, now, it does not speak well for the effectiveness of abstinence only education, which her mother wholeheartedly supports, just as she vehemently rejects practical sex education.

[seemslikeadream]

36. Bristol is the 17 year old?

[Fridays Child]

37. Yes, Bristol is the oldest daughter. Willow is only 14 or 15 years old.

It's easy to be confused, though. They're both very lovely girls, quite frankly.

[seemslikeadream]

40. Do you know how far along she is?

[Fridays Child]

43. I don't know that she is or isn't pregnant.

But these pics could possibly confirm what solowannabee posted: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3894004&mesg_id=3894065

[seemslikeadream]

45. Mine don't

Is this photo labeled correctly?



1 day ago: WASHINGTON, PA - AUGUST 30: (L-R) Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain (R-AZ), his wife Cindy, their daughter Meghan, presumptive Republican vice-presidential nominee Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, her daughters Piper (C) and Bristol with her husband Todd arrive and greet supporters during an event at Consol Energy Park August 30, 2008 in Washington, Pennsylvania. Palin and McCain are campaigning before heading to the Republican National Convention.

[seemslikeadream]

46. doesn't look pregs here

2 days ago: Alaska Governor Sarah Palin waves next to her daughter Piper after being introduced as US Republican vice presidential candidate to presidential candidate Senator John McCain's (R-AZ) at a campaign event in Dayton, Ohio August 28, 2008. At left are Palin's children Bristol (L) holding her son Trig, Willow (2nd L), Sen. John McCain's daughter Meghan, and his wife Cindy.

[Canuckistanian]

41. Nothing's visible in this pic

The black dress hides any trace of a possible pregnancy. I just tried it.

[seemslikeadream]

44. BINGO!! not pregnant

1 day ago: WASHINGTON, PA - AUGUST 30: (L-R) Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain (R-AZ), his wife Cindy, their daughter Meghan, presumptive Republican vice-presidential nominee Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, her daughters Piper (C) and Bristol with her husband Todd arrive and greet supporters during an event at Consol Energy Park August 30, 2008 in Washington, Pennsylvania. Palin and McCain are campaigning before heading to the Republican National Convention.

[Fridays Child]

47. The caption is incorrect. That's Willow, not Bristol.

A number of Yahoo news image captions made the same error. Look at the pic below. That's Bristol holding Trig. Notice that she's pretty much as tall as her mother. Willow is shorter.

The daughter in the picture you posted is the shorter, middle daughter, Willow. Bristol is MIA.

[seemslikeadream]

51. What about this one? And why is EVERY photo I have seen of her

standing up she always has that baby and that blanket. There are tons of pictures on line of the whole family but she is most definetly MIA or holding be baby over her stomach

[Fridays Child]

53. Or photographed from the chest up only, as in most of the pics at....

... http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/083008_0928.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

56. Unbelievable, what a coincidence!

No photos in all those, you would almost think that was planned

[Fridays Child]

65. I had the same thought.

[NYC_Chic]

66. She's the Only One that Could Keep the Baby Quiet

That's why they had Bristol hold him during the speech. I totally hate to be a gossip and I feel like strangling OTHER people when they make these kind of deductions and leaps of logic but...

1. Bristol has a cover over her in every picture when the baby isn't in front of her, which is just odd. The little sister doesn't have the anything on her when she's holding him so its not like its just something they've been trained to do.

2. In the pic with Sarah juggling Blackberry and baby, baby looks uncomfortable and looks like he's looking over his shoulder for his Mama.

3. Bristol looks like she's just had a baby. She has that layer of fat girls put on around their faces, arms and legs. In the picture where she's sitting by herself in the chair, she looks like she's taking a break, like she's not used to having her hands free.

This is all speculation and me being an old lady before my time, mind you.

[jeanpalmer]

49. You can put a pillow under your dress

and look pregnant. Palin is so ambitious I wouldn't put anything beyond her. Who says Bristol is still pregnant? Maybe Bristol has already had her baby and is now pretending like she hasn't. Palin could have deceived everyone around her.

It's worth checking out and getting the documents for. Get the records -- don't trust appearances. If Palin lied about this, it would be a disqaulifier.

[zeemike]

18. I hope that some one did a capture of that page.

[Wilber_Stool]

25. The hospital site is back up

Shot at 2008-08-31

Sorry about the size.

[fudge stripe cookays]

33. Good Lord.

Anyone who names their daughter after a car (with the exception of our Latino friends using the obviously Spanish name Mercedes) needs to be shot.

[Tansy_Gold]

38. The car was named after a girl

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Apr08/17_001109_The_History_Behind_The_Mercedes_Benz_Brand_And_The_Three_Pointed_Star.html



Mercedes was the daughter of Emil Jellinek, early dealer and supporter of Daimler Benz automobiles.

[crispini]

39. LOL. She's talking about the people that named their kid Lexus.

Which, yea, :puke:

[fudge stripe cookays]

68. Crispini's right.

I meant Lexus.

Mercedes means mercies in Spanish, and has been a popular name in Spanish speaking countries for quite awhile.

Anyone who names their daughter Lexus has aspirations for their daughter to become a stripper.

[Beausoir]

48. Leave that little baby boy alone. Good gawd.

Give it the fuck up.

Fucking sicko.

[seemslikeadream]

52. You're telling me to leave that baby boy alone!!! Tell these assholes

They're the ones exploiting that little baby, not me

[Beausoir]

55. Those people are horrendous pigs. What's your excuse?

Leave the little baby out of it.

Hit them on the issues. Leave the baby out of it.

(And, you Do realize that is a photoshop, right? RIGHT??)

[seemslikeadream]

57. The cover is not here's the link

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685,00.html

[Beausoir]

58. What you originally posted was a photoshop. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that.

Just give it up. You got busted.

Leave that baby alone. Discuss some REAL issues.

How do you feel about Palin's plan to drill in ANWAR?

[seemslikeadream]

59. What the fuck are you talking about you didn't bust me on anything

I PHOTOSHOPPED IT!!! SO I GUESS I WOULD KNOW NOW WOULDN'T I

[Beausoir]

61. So,you admit it's fake? Cuckoo-Cuckoo.

Now, care to talk about Palin's anti-choice stance? How about the fact that she seems to hate gay people? How about her ANWAR drilling stance?

Or would you rather pick on her baby?

[seemslikeadream]

64. I never claimed that is was, you are beyond bizarre

[Fearless]

54. Ahh the link mistakes when the pictures it gives were taken... actually 2005.

[madeline_con]

60. There's a kid on there with no parents.

Spell edit

All the others have parents. There was a link to it last night.

The net is being scrubbed again.

[Lucinda]

67. Hes got a blip up and a link to pics and is saying it looks like she WAS pregnant after all