I have a man andwife I know who hate Obama, I am going to be spending

[onecent]

the weekend with them. I know they hate Obama because she kept sending me all those emails in the early on about his muslim, background and hand on the Koran, and on and on and she believes those emails and thinks he is a plant of some kind from our enemies..

I don't know what comebacks to use, I don't want to be mean. I want to agree that we disagree, but I would like some talking points I might use to bring her over to her senses and see how real Obama and Biden are.

Thanks

[proud patriot]

1. Just hand them and dare them to read his first book

Dreams of my Father

[still_one]

2. go to snopes or fact check, however, if they truely believe he is a Muslim, then they are

ignorant racists

[DesertFlower]

3. OMG. i don't envy you.

i haven't been able to win anyone over to obama. my hairdresser actually told me she wouldn't vote for obama because he's black. this was tuesday. i'm still freaked out and don't know if i can ever go back to her again.

i do know several PUMAs who were thinking about voting for McCain until he picked Palin. that made them see the light and they'll now be voting for obama.

[bdamomma]

39. I wouldn't go back to her, did you reply when she said that.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Your problem is agreeing to disagree.

You can't reason with flaming nazi bigs like those people.

Fuck 'em.

[rzemanfl]

5. Make up an excuse. They aren't worth a minute, much less a

weekend.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

10. Or, go there and visit,

but leave small pieces of ripe fruit in places around the house. Warm places that aren't visible to the naked eye.

[n2doc]

14. Chicken Soup is better

Really stinks after a few days...good for the Soul, too! :evilgrin:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

22. That's right -

get the Jews in trouble.

Don't you know that JOHN McCAIN WAS A PRISONER OF WAR???????????

:woohoo:

[rzemanfl]

16. I nice piece of limburger on the exhaust manifold of their car

infinitely more thoughtful.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

23. That's such a guy thing.

Have your testosterone injection this week, hon?

[phillysuse]

6. Michelle's first cousin once removed is a Rabbi in Chicago,

Rabbi Carpers Funnye and Barack's great uncle served in Europe with the U.S. Army and liberated a concentration camp. But they probably hate Jews as well.

You could ask them how can he be a Muslim and have a Christian preacher but that will just bring up Reverend Wright and then they will saw Obama hates America.

You could tell them that John McCain is the Manchurian candidate and he was brainwashed by the Viet Cong during his 5 years in captivity.

You could also point them to the National Enquirer that is coming out this week and reporting of Sarah Palin's affair with her husband's business partner. Tell them that it looks like Sarah is a swinger and a morally loose woman and maybe Trig is her baby with her lover.

And that Obama wouldn't cheat on Michelle (since they probably think she is an angry black woman).

Seriously, what are their issues? Are they doing well in this economy? Trust funds? Worth several million? Lots of homes they can't remember. No problems paying for health insurance, college, cars, house, retirement. In that case, they can afford to be Republicans. If not, what I say to people driving shabby cars with McCain stickers as I am parking my Mercedes with the Obama sticker - honey you don't look rich enough to be a Republican!

[Muttocracy]

7. show them how they'll benefit under Obama's tax plan, which will be enacted by Dem. Congress

Good stuff in this thread - Wash Post tax graphic and link to a calculator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6950559

(McCain won't be able to get anything passed through Congress by the way)

[Tangerine LaBamba]

8. Just tell the truth

He's not a Muslim.

He only wants to raise taxes on corporations and the top 1% of the population.

Joe Biden is perfectly equipped to take over as President, given his 36 year history of working both sides of the aisle in the Senate.

John McCain voted against veterans on every vote.

John McCain was part of the Keating 5 (remember them?).

John McCain has never held a job that wasn't directly family-related (he even worked for his new father-in-law before the same father-in-law bought him a seat in Congress).

Tell them about how McCain cheated on his first wife, then ditched her and divorced her and married Cindy one month later.

More?

[bdamomma]

40. voted with bushie 95% and has a volatile temper.

do you really want this man near that button or even her.

After Palin said the Iraq War was God's will? the pipeline is for God, Whoa, these people are sick, American Taliban is right. To them this is a crusade between Christianity and Islam. This is George Bush in a skirt.

[hellbound-liberal]

9. Check out the website called Save the Court for the potential damage that will be done

to ALL of us should McCain get elected. This is just one area where we cannot afford to let McCain get his hands on the levers of power. http://www.savethecourt.org/content/top-ten-reasons-save-court-november

[onecent]

11. Thanks for the comments....Some great tips!

[Jack Rabbit]

12. Enjoy your weekend and don't talk politics.

It doesn't sound like there are any minds that can be changed.

[stillcool]

13. I would ask what the problem was...

is it because he is black, or is it because of mis-information. I have found that people are often unwilling to admit it is because of race, which leaves the door open to be able to dispel every piece of tripe they have picked up. I let the conversation take me wherever it goes, but try to remember that we are all products of our environment. A lot of the shit that is stored between our ears, we didn't put there.

[onecent]

15. No, I don't believe it is race. My white daughter is married

to a black man and they love my daughter. I think somehow they just believed all those emails that first circulated about his background...they are pretty religious, I think. I'm not, I mean I dont go for organized religion.

People often believe those bad bad emails - people are so damn gullible. They are afraid he is the biblical satan, I believe.

[stillcool]

29. Sometimes people just haven't heard...

anything else. It's funny but when I have ordinary conversations I am amazed at how much stuff is stored in my head. I feel like a walking Obama Encyclopedia. I'm trying to ease a family member into reality. She really doesn't want to know. She says every time I go off on politics I scare the shit out of her. I have to find another way in, but I just can't let someone that I have the power to influence stay on the sidelines.

[DeeDeeNY]

30. go to Fight the Smears -- it's all there

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian

[progdonkey]

17. maybe you can try convincing them that being a Muslim is irrelevant...

I guess, it depends on what you gauge they believe more strongly: that all Muslims want to kill Americans or that Obama's a Muslim. If they can't believe that Obama's not a Muslim, no matter what you say, try eroding their belief in the "evil" nature of Muslims. Make Obama's supposed "Muslim-inity" irrelevant.

If neither works, then I got nothin' for you. Some people are just beyond rational thought and are lost in an eternal loop of circular logic and contradictory and just plain wrong beliefs. Where the only way to cure them is to have a Muslim save them from being hit by a car--and even then they'd probably spit on the guy and continue on their way.

You have to remember, though, the whole "Obama's a Muslim" thing is just a way for racists who don't want to vote for a black guy to have a reason that feeds their bigotry but yet is still acceptable in "polite" circles, so your dealing with people who would support lynchings, segregation, etc. (Hell, ask them those questions, but substitute "Muslim" for "black", and I guarantee they'll say that Muslims should be kept separate from "Americans", it's not a crime to torture "terrists" to death without a trial, etc.)

[madmom]

18. People like this only understand the fear card, this is what I'm using...

http://www.adn.com/news/environment/story/489973.html


what if these where terrorists? Do we even know if some haven't already came across?

and this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008s...

is she really what is in the best interest of this country, they hate it!

[onecent]

21. You second address line said "it could not be found"

Is it possible to resend it to me at my email. Can you pm it? Sounds interesting. Thanks

[madmom]

32. Try this one, if that doesn't work I'll cut and paste the article for you.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008sep04,0,5675222.column

[JerseygirlCT]

19. I tell you what

My mother was all set to dislike Biden intensely. Because she'd gotten an e-mail telling her that he was "pro-abortion".

I just calmly explained to her that almost no one is actually "pro-abortion" and that Biden most certainly wasn't. I said his position is actually similar to my own - personally not a choice he's comfortable with, but not in the least willing to make that choice for anyone else.

My mom said that's just how she feels, too.

We talked about not paying attention to those stupid e-mails, and about getting the information herself. (She's been reading a lot!)

I think your first best choice is to start with civil conversation and not get confrontational. Questions sources and why they're ready to believe them. Show them why those sources aren't dependable - because the information isn't true.

Just know your candidates and their positions. And be calm and persuasive. Remember that nothing will solidify someone's position more than getting them all defensive - give them room to change their minds without sacrificing their pride, you know?

[onecent]

24. Thanks for your response. I'm not sure it WILL come up. They

must already know what my thoughts are. They have not spoken ... just sent me the emails about Obama...which I never responded one way or the other.

Just because my friends don't agree on Obama certainly doesn't make me change my opinion of them as friends, as one responder suggested. But I want to open their eyes if I can...I don't like that lady Sara palin....palin is failin...ha ha...

[JerseygirlCT]

31. Oh I know.

My dad is not going to be persuaded toward Obama - never, never. But that certainly doesn't mean I love him any less.

What can you do?

[NYCGirl]

20. A very good link:

http://isbarackobamamuslim.com/

[ColbertWatcher]

25. Ask them if they've ever asked Obama to his face any of the things they believe about him.

If they say no, invite them to go to one of his campaign stops and ask him there.

Otherwise, invite them to go to http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/">Obama's anti-smear web tube.

If they persist in believing, tell them all the rumors started on a joke site, Truthiness Encyclopedia, a site based on a joke started by comedian Stephen Colbert.

[goddess40]

26. You're not being mean if you correct their mis-information

But I wouldn't worry about it, they sure the hell don't. They say there nasty shit and than whine if there's a response - which means they know they're lying.

[MadrasT]

27. No spcific advice...

... but I've been there :pals:. Hang tight.

[hellbound-liberal]

28. Here's a nice list of "counterpunches" that I found on HuffPo

Rapid Response Playbook: 15 Counterpunches to the "90% Bush/Pork Barrel Palin" Convention

Here are fifteen clear, forceful statements Democrats and independents can use to to counterattack. And the themes that should never be far from the conscious mind are: Electing McCain's too risky. He's compromised himself. Palin's an extremist. And, same old same old.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/rapid-response-playbook-1_b_124126.html

[onecent]

34. Thanks for the info.... Nice website.

[screembloodymurder]

33. Don't go.

You can't change them. They are lost. Do not look back.

[onecent]

35. If I can't change one person's mind, why would you think we

can change America --- Obama has not won yet. I'm going to talk intelligently to as many people as I can find who will listen, or want to talk about it.

[Paladin]

36. Set Ground Rules Early

The first time they bring up their feelings about Obama, graciously inform them that your views differ, and that it will be more pleasant to discuss other things. If they make an issue of it, go pick up your things, tell them that you'll talk to them after the election, and walk the hell out....

[many a good man]

37. Tell them McCain is secretly a Wiccan

and Palin is a cannibal. You'll have more proof to refute the Obama Muslim crap than they have to defend this equally false bullshit.

[bdamomma]

38. that is very sad, people feel threatened by Obama, maybe

could be his color or his confidence.