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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:39 AM Original message |
Why are we embracing racially coded language on DU? |
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prayin4rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. PLEASE tell me that is not an actual screen shot! PLEASE!! n/t |
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Catch22Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. You bet it is! |
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prayin4rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. That is so sick.... she is his WIFE for one thing... |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Exactly. Repigs are so F stupid, they use words whose meanings they don't know.... |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
68. No news organization used it as far as I know |
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prayin4rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. true... but still... that is all the news a lot of the people i know get |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. could you give us an example of the same coded language used against poor little Levi? |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Here's one: F*ing Redneck... by his own admission. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. See, problem is, it fits Levi. It never fits Obama. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Why is using AAVE an insult? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
29. What's AAVE? I'm sorry but I'm totally confused now. nt |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. African Amerian Vernacular English |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. African-American Vernacular English (nt) |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
49. It isn't if you use it against whites as well. nt |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Is the same true for the N word? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
109. That describes a color. The color, "negro." Now, how on earth could you call a white person.... |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Who are we to argue with his obviously accurate discription of himself? |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
67. didn't I read something.. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I don't care one way or another about "poor little Levi" |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #11 |
33. but "we" didn't use that term, Faux Newz did. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #33 |
53. "we" HAVE been using that term. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. They aren't married, he is a baby daddy |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I think you are misunderstanding my point. |
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psychmommy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
92. that's what i am saying. |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
96. Look, I used that term a few days ago because it applied. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. I'm not talking about the use of the phrase "baby's daddy" |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. Yes. If the Right Wing uses racism, we should ignore it and hope it goes away... |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Nope. NEVER EVER ignore an insult. Kerry did that and it tore me apart |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
37. I was thinking about Kerry too with my last two posts. He played it with class, and we know what |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Do you know that I CRIED during the time Kerry was not responding to the swiftboater lies? |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
57. I was very emotional over it too and it was maddening when I couldn't do a single |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
113. :( Maybe this time we won't let that happen at all. nt |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Didn't you know the best way for Democrats to win in November is to attack and demean other DUers? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
19. Maybe you didn't mean to reply to my thread. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
5. I've used baby daddy as a way of throwing it in the faces of the Repukes that did that to |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. I use the term babymama about Sarah Palin and her daughter, BOTH... |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. The time for playing "nice" is over. We will not survive another 4 years with the Repukes. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. ABSOLUTELY! Totally agree! nt |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #22 |
47. Does that mean we need to embrace racism? |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. It isn't racially coded when you start to neutralize it by turning it towards those who use |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. So should we try using the N word more |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I think you are taking this way too far right now. nt |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. That's an incredible leap |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Exactly n/t. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
114. EXACTLY! You explain it much better than I do. :) |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. I agree 100% |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
61. Amen. If Dems want to be seen as strong and tough, we'll play a good defense |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. After Killer Palin's speech and McCrash's I had expected some hard hitting back by Obama and Biden |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. I know. I was talking with some friends about that yesterday |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Luckily, I seem to spared the McCrash ads right now. I'm in NY and I'm sure they will spend very |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
77. Speaking not not playing nice - reminds me of Dixie Chicks |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Yes! Yes! Yes!!!! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Do you think there's a difference between |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. How about handing racists the truth, and be nice about it? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
6. I disagree. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
9. Poor, little girl. Palin is so abused and so are all her and her daughter's |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. What's the latest with Sarah Palin's adulterous relationship? Anyone know? nt |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. saw a thread yesterday, citing an article where the ex business |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Oh I'm sure he's getting them sealed because of statements made by his ex-wife about Palin... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
87. Could be two reasons. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
103. Some are saying Scott Richter and some are saying Brad Hanson. I say, why not both? lol! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
23. This doesn't appear to be related to my OP. nt |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
73. You, madam,are a hypocrite of the first order. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
104. Although you haven't addressed this to me, I can say for myself, I am very used to personal attacks |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Republicans should have to. Their children shouldn't. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. No. Those children are used as Props to promote an Image of Palin, and she has made those kids |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-07-08 06:12 AM Response to Reply #112 |
117. Are Obama's children fair game? |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-07-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. If they find something to say, of course Obama's children will their fair game. Is it right? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-07-08 07:28 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Apparently not, given his subsequent grovelling apology. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-07-08 07:46 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. lol! Exactly. :) |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
18. I'm a nearly-old fart who is not up on the slang - |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Babymama is slang which began among black people and which refers to.... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
35. I think you missed the subtext. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. I know what you're saying.... but (and forgive me) you're wrong..... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. That doesn't happen in the real world. |
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kayell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
75. But, if the term is originally AAVE, why would it need reclaiming? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Your question is at the heart of what I'm asking, actually. |
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kayell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that how it's being used by blacks |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
106. We agree on this: |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
20. Plus I have a queston for you. Should we LIMIT that word to using it only with black people?? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Huh? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. NONO! My question was..... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Again, you seem to be arguing your own point, not mine |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Okay, here's your own comment, quoted: |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. You seem to be deliberately misconstruing nmy words. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
111. Oy vey. To remove a pejorative meaning, you MUST use that word for groups outside |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
89. Let me clarify too |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #89 |
110. You are obviously removed from young people, for whom it is becoming a frequent term |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
26. (what is "aave?") n/t |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. AAVE = African American Vernacular English (nt) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
30. Some of us are hypocrites, and like most hypocrites are blind to our own hypocrisy |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Huh? Okay, I know there must be some hidden significance in this.. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. My post means exactly what it says |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I was afraid of that. Please read the other posts. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I don't give a flying fuck about the other posts |
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mass independent (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
32. some people |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Exactly. This is hardly the time for faux outrage. nt |
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prayin4rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
59. I think that people are can still feel outrage after so many years |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
65. Sorry, I totally disagree. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. that doesn't relate to my question, though. |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You're asking me to be careful about what I say, er write, about someone. |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. No |
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tannybogus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
74. I just can't keep up! |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
81. Actually, the text in the picture is not coded at all ... |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
84. meanings...... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Thank you for getting that! |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. I understand completely |
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Montauk6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
88. Let's start from the beginning because your point's not making sense |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. "I'm not feelin' that "AAVE" jazz" |
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Montauk6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. You're right, we are too far apart to have a conversation about this |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
91. What are you talking about? |
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crimsonblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
97. you obviously don't understand baby 'mommy' and 'daddy' |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. erased because I decided I was wrong to say what I said. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Did you understand it as racist when Fox used it? nt |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
115. It's racist on Fox because it's completely inaccurate |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
102. That's an awfully broad brushed statement. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
105. I have not embraced a damn thing. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
107. Clinton supporters were happy with it, back during silly season. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
116. "Baby Mama" is a movie starring Tina Fey, AAVE is a summer camp |
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