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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:39 PM
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For once I agree with Harold Ickes. Do not underestimate Obama's ground game.
From a three-page article today in Time Magazine, one paragraph jumped out at me. The article is about the on the ground organization of Barack Obama in this campaign.

Obama Banks on the Ground Game

This paragraph quoting Harold Ickes is most interesting.

Underestimating a surge of new voters was, in some ways, Hillary Clinton's downfall in the primaries. In Iowa, the Clinton campaign expected 150,000 people to caucus, but they came in third place when more than 230,000 people ultimately participated. The Obama campaign "has enthusiasm, they have a lot of people, they have money to finance in a serious way ground operations and they have the resources in terms of good lists at their disposal," says Harold Ickes, a Democratic strategist and former top adviser to Hillary Clinton. "If the McCain people think that that's not serious, they're in for a big surprise. They should not pooh-pooh the ground game that Obama is mounting, it's a formidable one. I don't think in my experience in Democratic politics there's ever been anything like it."


The article compares the methods being used by the two parties. First the Republican's tried and true one.

The Grand Ole Party tradition has become a familiar ritual for this Old Dominion group, some of whom have been volunteering since before the Starbucks took up residence in the upscale Fairfax, Virginia, strip mall, not 10 miles from Washington. They spent the morning retracing familiar paths, calling on homes they most likely have visited before and, as always, completing SAT-style fill-in-the-bubble spreadsheets that are fed in to the GOP's massive voter files.

"I sure have knocked on these doors, countless times," former State Senator Jay O'Brien says of the once-a-month-or-so gathering, "I've been out here since 1991." (O'Brien knows the importance of new voters firsthand; he lost his State Senate seat last year when a surge of new voters came out of nowhere in his Fairfax district. "Frankly, I got as many votes as I used to get, but there was a bigger turnout by new voters who wanted to make a statement about other things and they were more energized by a Democrat," O'Brien says.)


And then there is the way the Obama campaign and the Democratic Party with Dean as chairman are doing the voter registration and outreach.

About 30 miles south in Woodbridge, Virginia, Angel Thomas was canvassing for Obama. Thomas, 26, who has never before volunteered for a campaign, spent the last month downloading lists of neighbors from her mybarackobama.com website and, in her free time knocks on as many doors as she can. She asks her neighbors whom they support, tries to educate and convince those who are on the fence and logs all the information into Obama's website before downloading another list. While the GOP is still meeting in group once a month, Thomas and her eight million allies are canvassing 24/7.....Over Labor Day weekend, while waiting for Obama to finish an event, David Axelrod, the nominee's top strategist, noted that their strategy is broader than McCain's and therefore requires a lot more leg work, but that it has more of a potential payoff. "We're going into Nov. 4 with many different scenarios to get to 270 electoral votes," he says, squinting at airplanes buzzing overhead, part of Cleveland's annual air show. "I think their path is very, very narrow, as is their thinking


I felt rather negative about Harold Ickes at many points during the primaries this cycle. I was not pleased at his behavior toward my state at all.

I was not happy at his manipulation of a state when he was in on the ground floor making the rules the state was breaking.


Harold Ickes must win over party officials to keep Clinton in the race. Michael Edwards for TIME

In 1988 Ickes was at it again, negotiating a change in party rules that would not be tested until 2008. In return for Jackson's support at the convention that summer, Michael Dukakis endorsed a complex plan that awarded delegates based on a candidate's proportion of the vote in every state. By doing away with winner-take-all primaries, the new rules prevented a front runner from wrapping up the nomination with a handful of wins in big, delegate-rich states. Underdog candidates could stay alive through the primaries, and perhaps even win the nomination, by collecting delegates in every contest, whether they won it or not. It would be two decades before an underdog turned front runner named Barack Obama would take full advantage of those rules. If Clinton's victories in big states like New York, California, Pennsylvania and Ohio had been winner-take-all, she would be the nominee today. Of course, if superdelegates didn't exist, Obama's delegate lead would be foolproof. Such are the ironic consequences of the rules Ickes helped write.


I agree with him now, though. No one should discount Obama's ground game.

We can never be nastier and meaner than the Rove types who have been in charge of McCain's campaign since July. Obama sounded feistier today, and I think he will fight back...but it is not our nature in this party to just lie and sink to such low depths.

The ground game often seems not to be even noticed by the media at all. Our party is combining the DNC 50 state staffers and the Obama campaign staffers. Add to that the awesome number of trained volunteers no one ever talks about because they are so busy hyperventilating over lipstick and pigs.

I think it might catch some by surprise.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:41 PM
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1. Never underestimate the power of community organizers! n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:47 PM
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4. Amen...kudos to community organizers.
:hi:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:03 AM
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14. Wouldn't that be something - if the lowly and much-mocked-and-maligned community organizers
made the difference in this election.

That would be irony of the most delicious kind.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:27 AM
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16. Why yes, it most certainly would, Ms Calimary.
I would just love that. They have mocked us way too much. :hi:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:54 AM
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17. Sweet revenge!
I'm STILL steaming about that. That was a week ago. What a snot-nose. If that's her attitude, cocky and mocking and sarcastic and smug and arrogant, then I wonder what the prevailing attitude of her children is. Apples falling from trees and all that. I'd expect her kids would each have a real attitude problem, growing up in a house like that. When Mom's around, the bitchiness flies like Alaskan snow flurries, and then when Mom's away at work all the time, nobody's around to correct the bad behavior.

Man, and we thought Drunk and Disorderly were a disgrace, but then look what kind of influence their head-of-household was.

Do we now call her sarah Pinocchio-lin?

The Lyin' Queen? Or, in a tip o' the hat to the late Leona Helmsley, the NEW Queen of Mean!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:42 PM
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2. I live in Nowhere, NM. the reddest part of the red southeastern part of the state
he has TWO paid staffers here for my little county with less than 40,000 total population.

there are 12 of them to cover the 8 or 9 counties in this red part of the state.

I get calls at least once a week

his ground game here is AWESOME
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:09 PM
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7. That's GREAT to hear! nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:45 PM
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3. I'm glad to all be back on the same side. I hate intra-family fights.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:57 PM
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5. YEs, I know because I am one of the ground people:
In EVERY sample of canvassing I'm doing it is like this:

44 total doors knocked tonight

Strong McCain: 6
Lean McCain: 0
Undecided: 5
Lean Obama: 4
Strong OBama: 5
Not Home: 22
Vacant Home: 2
Moved: 4
Inaccessible: 2
Refused to Say: 1

Then there were at LEAST 5 not on the walking list that were pro-Obama all the way.
Give McCain half the undecideds and Obama none = McCain 6-9; Obama 9-13

People--all we have to do is get them out to VOTE! If we get them out to VOTE then WE WIN!

I'm getting the same numbers every time!

Don't let the press and the polls fool you!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't let them get you down! Get out there and get these people to the polls!

This is in Indiana--and also in a RED, RURAL/SMALL city area!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:01 PM
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6. That is just amazing.
Thank you for what you are doing.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:23 PM
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8. Madfloridian
we are counting on people like you. I was out registering voters tonight. You can too. Florida is key 600,000 African Americans who were eligible to vote didn't in Florida. Bush only won by 381,000. if they vote we win and McCain cannot win the election
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:31 PM
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9. You can count on hubby and me to do our part.
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 10:44 PM by madfloridian
But we work only with the Obama campaign. We avoid the Florida Democratic party at least for now. I find it intolerable that they are still hurting party unity with their attacks on Dean.

Many of the party leaders here are not as supportive as they should be. What Hillary did this week should help. But there was so much during the primaries. You can't keep saying the party leader threw the primary and expect people to get over it quickly.

Hubby and I bear a lot of anger and scars, just like we did in 2004. But this time we are working for the candidate, not for the party.

Will that change? I don't know. Dean did not deserve it, and there is no one trying to make it right.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 06:03 AM
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22. we need to get the jews for jesus
video to the jewish people in FL
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:43 AM
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35. You're married? OH, NOES!
Well there goes another of my DU fantasy women...and you're not a party firster blue dog either, double damn.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:44 PM
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10. K&R!!!
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:08 PM
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11. I had posted the below in another person's thread,
and I'll probably post it later in its own thread. We're under Rovian mind-fuck attack, intended to DISCOURAGE us! This is the most important election that ANY American people has ever faced! Do WHATEVER you can, whether CA$H, shoe leather, blog, face to face, or POT (Plain Old Telephone)!

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“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”: FDR’s First Inaugural Address

"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days."
www.historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057 /

Turn on your speakers and listen to that historic speech!
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pnorman
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:25 PM
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12. Please allow me to point out that in the Democratic primaries the Repukes were not involved.
The "ground game" theory is a good one except for the humongous flaws in it. Which are: You must have access to a voting machine to vote. You must have a valid, unchallengable voter registration to vote. You must be able to get past the Challengers at the polling places in order to vote. You must be off a "caging" list to vote. if you choose to vote early or by absentee ballot your vote may or may NOT be counted. If you vote on a machine that does not give you a record of your vote your vote may be recorded differently from what you voted. If you vote in Florida or some other state where the elections officials are Republicans your vote may not even be counted. And definitely will NOT be REcounted.

And, if you are fortunate enough to vote in a heavily Democratic precinct with voting machines, those machines must actually function, function properly, be able to accomodate the number of voters who want to vote, and be able to accomodate them without them having to stand in line for hours before having to (pick one): go back to work, pick up your child from daycare, go home and take care of your sick parent/kid/spouse/sibling, do something else that is required of you.

Folks, this is the REALITY of what we face on November 4th. It is not hyperbole or imagination. It is fact. At this very moment, in every state, Repubes are exercising their gawd-given right to manipulate our electoral process so their candidates can win.

Sheer numbers of Democrats voting will not do it. It will require an incredible array of voter protections and THEY MUST BE RECOGNIZED AND IMPLEMENTED IMMEDIATELY.

Otherwise that amazing ground game could turn into a rout in the face of a superior passing attack and defense.

It's the vote count ground game that I'm hoping Obama has perfected. But I'm not hearing anything about that yet. Can somebody help me out on this?


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:55 PM
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13. I could say that the campaign and the DNC were working on it...
and just not talking a lot about it. But then someone would jump down my throat and tell me they are not doing enough.

I don't know what else to say.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 07:35 AM
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24. Madflo, if they're working on it, it seems that they would signal to the team that they are doing
something. Right now they're either playing it VERY close to the chest or they're dreaming that the Repukes will change their habits and give Obama the Presidency.

Either option is not encouraging since we have only a few weeks left to mobilize and implement a vote-protection campaign.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:37 AM
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28. Oh well, then, alrighty then....they must NOT be doing anything at all.
You must be right.

We can not possibly win...you know all those polls where they have been misleading on the demographics.

The polls must be right, we can't win. You are right.

Just go back to bed and cover your head.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:13 AM
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31. I don't understand that reaction. You need to get over yourself. I'm raising a valid point here.
I WANT OBAMA TO WIN. I and a lot of other hardworking Dems are very worried about this and want to get ahead of the Repukes. I'm trying to deal with the reality of the situation and find out what I can do or what our Democratic party is doing that I might be able to assist with.

This Repug election theft possibility is not a figment of our imaginations. This is not a "chicken little" moment. It's a moment in history when we have the candidate and the strong possibility of a WIN, but we also see that the Repugs are ALREADY doing their voter suppression, voter caging and registration manipulation thing. THIS IS NOT A FREAKIN JOKE AND I'M NOT GOING BACK TO BED. I'm asking for you or someone else on this site to help me and others DO OUR PART TO PREVENT ANOTHER GORE OR KERRY FAILURE. Are you going to help or are you going to be personally offended because I am not a pollyanna optimist about this?

Time is growing short. You seem to be knowledgeable about these things. I need help. We need help.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:25 AM
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33. Will you please take a deep deep breath and calm down.
You don't need to be insulting.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:46 PM
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41. Madflo, I wasn't trying to be insulting. I wasn't the one who started dishing out the sarcasm by
suggesting I should give up and hide under the sheets, or something to that effect.

The next post by Raksha sums up nicely what I was saying. I'll leave it at that.

Peace.

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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 07:50 AM
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55. You're right not to be sanguine
We have learned, however. I feel like I have to keep saying this, but the Obama campaign has more lawyers working on this and related issues than we have ever had.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:31 AM
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34. Obama's links with ACORN give me hope on that front
The right are huffing and puffing about ACORN having a record of "voter fraud", which is their code word for what John Pilger sarcastically called VWB (Voting While Black). That makes me think that Obama is well aware of the dirty tricks that the GOP pulls, and has strategies in place to counter them. I hope I'm right.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:54 PM
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43. nxylas, thanks for the info about ACORN. I will check it out.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:57 AM
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56. Sorry, I misattributed the VWB quote
It was Greg Palast, not John Pilger, who coined the phrase. I tend to get those two mixed up, as they are both among the last of a dying breed of real, honest-to-goodness investigative journalists, and their surnames both begin with P.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:13 PM
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39. If the DNC is working on it, they better NOT be playing it
close to the chest! They need to make a PUBLIC announcement of it--let everyone know, not just "the team" but the opposition and the public as well. Because I totally agree with you...our ground game may be superb and even unpredented, but they've had eight years to perfect their underground game. And they can beat us at the underground game, just like they did in 2004. The Democratic Party has always swept the issue of election fraud under the rug, and when they are forced to deal with it they do as little as possible. I have no idea why, but I've had four years to watch to them do it, and they do it consistently.

There are a lot of things that can be done from the grassroots, but this is an issue that needs to be addressed from the NATIONAL level. I'd like to see Howard Dean call a press conference and tell the whole country that the Republicans are compiling foreclosure lists so they can challenge voters, etc. It's incredibly mean-spirited and McCain could lose votes just on that basis.

It is not the sole responsibility of the grassroots to deal with vote suppression and election fraud, and yet the national party has made it our responsibility by default. I find that very disturbing--so disturbing in fact that I've promised myself this is my LAST presidential election as a registered Democrat, and I've been one since 1968. But if Obama doesn't win this one, I'm re-registering as a Green.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:52 PM
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42. Raksha, when I said they need to tell the team, I was referring to US Democrats, not the Obama
campaign team.

Great post, by the way. I agree with you about the disturbing nature of the Democrats' failure to deal with election reform IN ANY WAY. But I won't leave the party unless I see that they refuse to change even under the leadership of President Obama. But that's a discussion for another thread after the election.

Your idea about Howard Dean making this a NATIONAL-level issue is perfect!

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ann_american2004 Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:30 PM
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45. I AGREE! PRESS CONFERENCE!!!!
The American people need to know about this, many people are losing their homes and might not know they will have a problem voting until it is too late. It is a service to the communities to announce this at a press conference. The media will have to ask questions and see how it affects both parties and the nominees' views on the subject.

The only way to fight corruption and evil actions is to expose them.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 03:53 PM
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47. I'm glad you see my point, bertman...
and that my idea of getting Howard Dean to do a press conference on the foreclosure caging lists seems to have taken off on this thread.

I joined DU a few weeks after the stolen 2004 election, because this was the ONLY discussion board where election fraud was discussed openly--and that's the main thing I wanted to talk about with other Democrats. I knew from the moment of Kerry's concession speech that massive fraud had occurred. And yet even the liberal forums were so strangely reluctant to talk about it...I believe the official position of Daily Kos for about a year was that election fraud was "conspiracy theory" and therefore not to be talked about.

At this moment I have on my desk, a few inches from my keyboard, a copy of John Conyers' book What Went Wrong in Ohio: The Conyers Report on the 2004 Presidential Election. For a while John Conyers did an incredible job of collecting documentation on voter suppression and machine fraud...but then it was just like his apparent activism on the impeachment issue--for some unknown reason, it all just kind of fizzled out.

Then there was that investigation headed by Donna Brazile--I can't be the only one here who remembers that one?--whose long-awaited conclusion was that no fraud had occurred!!! WHAAAAT???

This was AFTER hundreds of independent researchers like Bob Fitrakis in Ohio and Clint Curtis in Florida had given their own testimony and done their own research--only to have all of it dismissed and whitewashed by the national Democratic Party. Clint Curtis ran for Congress in 2006 but was defeated in yet ANOTHER stolen election by the same asshole (I forget his name) he'd blown the whistle on in the first place!

After watching all this for the past four years, I have HAD IT! I don't know WHAT their excuses are, I will probably never know and I am beyond giving a damn. The reason absolutely DOES NOT MATTER! It's enough and more than enough that the Democratic Party will allow elections to be stolen from them. I've never heard of any other party in any other country that would put up with that.

The grassroots has already done enough and more than enough. It's unfair to ask anything more of them. If they aren't supported from the NATIONAL level, it's all ultimately futile. As I already said, I'm giving them ONE more election cycle to get serious about this issue...which translates to two more months.






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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 08:15 AM
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25. absolutely right!
the dems have had 8 years to, at the very least, bring voting irregularities to the public's attention, let alone, do anything about it. they have failed miserably.

the repubs have the msm and their vote theft tactics. that's the underground game. they are competetive.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:23 AM
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32. this too remains my greatest concern
which is why i volunteered to work the polls on election day.

i phone-banked last night for obama. volunteers still much needed in NC. i wonder why the campaign appears to be selling early voting?
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 07:06 PM
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49. don't wring hands, do something
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 07:07 PM by northernlights
This time around, the elections will be monitored.


www.stealbackyourvote.org

www.novoterleftbehind.net
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:25 AM
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15. another community organizer here (oh noes!)
Please make sure to get out the information to friends and family that if they have been served foreclosure notice but haven't moved yet (or have moved), the GOP have lists of all foreclosures served and will be challenging your right to vote, even if you are still in the home.

Apparently, this is very hard to fight, even though it is your legal right to vote, esp if you still live in the home at the address on your registration. (this tactic of theirs is blatantly designed to keep certain voting blocks from turning out and is not to discourage voter fraud, which the DoJ has spent all of our resources trying to prove, to no avail -- voter fraud, NOT election fraud, which we know occurs).

You still have time to change your address. You can do it online in some states. Please let everyone know this so they are NOT denied their right to vote by some thieving GOP op.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 01:01 AM
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19. Yes, yes and another yes! A must! PLEASE READ THIS POST!
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:57 AM
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18. to paraphrase Mr Spock...
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 12:57 AM by Rosco T.
McCain is intelligent, but has not experienced this kind of opposition. His pattern indicates 2 dimensional thinking.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:19 AM
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20. New voters not polled, college students not polled
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 02:22 AM by farmboxer
ad infinitum, so saith the Pope.

By the way, the late Pope called Bush the Antichrist! I think the words were that Bush has all the hallmarks of the Antichrist.


All Obama Campaign needs to do is show McCain's voting record

over and over and over again, proves McCain is a damned liar over and over and over again! McCain's voting record makes him look like a lying piece of fecal matter, which he so is! Show McCain lying, show his voting record on paper, really shows what McCain is all about, lies, cheating and just anything dishonest. Show voters proof that McCain is a liar! McCain's lies will destroy him, esp. if the MSM will come clean about their man McCain, but then, how can they get out of it?!

McCain is against healthcare, social security, medicare/medicaid, VETS, education, free speech, peace, unions & all working people, McCain is against the truth, issues, against lower gas prices, against solar energy, all alternative energy. McCain is FOR the military industrial complex, oil companies, billionaires/millionaires, war profiteering. big drug companies, ad infinitum, so saith the Pope!

Way too much to post, could go on all night! It is a no brainer! I have been changing people's minds in doctor's offices, at the gas pump, etc. Just show them the truth. There are some hard core idiots who will always vote Republican because their parents were such, etc., but..........SICKO at the doctor's waiting room works. People who go to the doctor hate America's health care system, many have to wait for hours, they want it to change ASAP. Always remember, the Republican corporate owned mainstream news media is for McCain and so many have not gotten the truth. I also leave a copy of "The Nation", etc., tell them to visit DU. Some still believe that Obama will not face the US Flag! They need to hear the truth! McCain is Bush!
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 03:19 AM
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21. Elections are won on preference, not turnout
For every two exceptions, there are hundreds of examples. And the exceptions are hardly presidential races with more than a year of scrutiny and both sides energized.

We went through the same crap in 2004. There were threads trumpeting our late registration edge. It was worthless unless Kerry won on preference. I was ripped for denouncing the registration numbers and turnout drives but I'll do it again. It's absolutely necessary, but very unlikely to make a difference. Bush won via preference among white women, a +11 after only +1 in 2000. That was 9/11 residue moving that white female vote toward the GOP.

Obama similarly needs to recapture the poll lead and win this damn thing on preference. I can't count how many times I've laughed when Markos or other clowns look at a late poll and try to dismiss a deficit by claiming the ground game is worth 3 points. You wonder if they have any idea what type of numbers they're talking about. I can just picture one side sleeping in the corner while the other guys are emptying trains full of voters into the polling place.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 08:17 AM
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26. kerry had the poll preference going in but not coming out.
what's up with that?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:38 AM
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37. Well, then, shame on me for thinking it matters.
I am so tired of the attitude here lately...nothing is important...nothing matters but being ugly and nasty and mean.

Sick of it.

They are using the polls to manipulate us. We are afraid to hope.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 06:09 AM
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23. i wonder where he buys his shirts from
they certainly do stand out.

and he of all people would know how good the Obama Campaign can be at the ground game. for those who get frustrated by the media the best you can do to help Obama is help on the ground. whether it's just setting up a table somewhere and informing people, going door to door.

on the internet send out youtube clips from shows like Jon Stewart and Olbermann which expose the hypocrisy of these people.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:57 PM
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51. That is some shirt.
Did you see him being annoying at the rules committee meeting? That annoyed me to death.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 08:20 AM
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27. Ground Game is INSANE in North VA
There are Obama peeps outside every major subway stop getting people registered to vote. I bought a dozen bumper stickers and the volonteers gave me a roll of about 100 small Obama stickers. I carried them around on the subway yesterday and between people asking for them at my office and random people stopping me on the street or subway and asking for them, I've got two bumper stickers left and about half a dozen of the smaller stickers. I've never seen people this excited about a candidate.

Dem party had a little tent set up at a local farmers market yesteday and I was talking to the dude who I've seen out there manning it a few times and he says they can't keep Obama stuff in stock. As soon as he gets new signs, stickers, shirts, etc, they're being snatched up.

Walking through the Falls Church West subway station parking lot this morning I counted about a dozen Obama bumper stickers and one McCain. If wish NoVA was a reflection of the rest of the country. We are FIRED UP here!
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:05 AM
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29. Nasty and and mean
In your last paragraph you noted that we could never be nastier or meaner then the rethugs. While that is true, I would put forth the idea that we should not be mean or nasty or any other of the scumbag rethug tactics. I want to win as much as anyone, but if the cost is to degrade our humanity, then it is not the right path. I also know that we must respond to their lies and attacks, however we must find a way to do that with dignity and pragmatic responses. I personally don't want to be a scumbag, none of us should want to be like them. Fight back yes, but do it wi th dignity and honor, or we fall into the trap the rethugs lay for us.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:08 AM
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30. Obama showed both on Letterman last night. dignity and honor.
:hi:
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:10 AM
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52. so we should wimp out like Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry
yeah, that's the path to victory. Hold our noses high, while we're getting our asses kicked. To those complaining we shouldn't be practicing gutter politics, I say that these Republican bastards crawled out of the sewer; maybe the gutter is where we should be!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:15 AM
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53. Some of you think anything short of name-calling is wimpy.
I am sick of this stuff.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:20 AM
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36. Never underestimate
people defending their home land, and this is ours that's being attacked by a fascist cartel bent on destroying the Constitution many of us defended with our lives. We either destroy the Republican Party or it will destroy America.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:49 AM
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38. Never underestimate the power of a large forum repeatedly dissing a candidate
..........
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:31 PM
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40. Gee, you did it. Now I feel bad for posting something positive.
Congratulations DU. You done good.

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ann_american2004 Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:38 PM
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46. no no no
dont feel bad this has brought up some good points! Thanks so much for doing this! I feel fired up, not just about Obama's strategy, but also about the idea of getting Dean to do a press conference on foreclosures and voting. Maybe even a show on Oprah, seriously! I think this is a fantastic idea and you started this thread. We may be cranky but we got HOPE - always. =) Hugs
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 01:13 PM
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44. Two points...
First, the Republicans keep claiming they were scared to run against Hillary because she had a big political machine behind her. Well if Obama beat Clinton that says something.

Second, I think the Republicans are trying to 'get Obamas goat'. I think they want him, as many here on DU suggest, to get angry at the Republican lies and distortions. I think they are just hoping to provoke that so they can take advantage of the 'angry black man' tactic they desperately want to play.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 05:51 PM
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48. The "not noticing" trap
As the media buries stories concerning five alarm fires about an Iran war, about election fraud by the GOP, impeachable offense by Bush, so too they bury any positive news about Dem voter turnout because that inconveniently would go against the election fraud cover stories. This may be more a pattern than a plan, but that is where they are trapped.

Surprised? They shouldn't be, but this is their chosen blinkered path of reportage in general, homogenized by corporate uniformity.

Also, it has to be proved as different versions of new GOTV hopes have fallen short before. Doing more houses, more phone calls, runs up against the mindless ranks of GOPers trooping glumly to the polls in set form. You need what we have this year. Widespread disgruntlement to the point of defection where the GOP MUST home in on the traditional only(THEIR variety being an addicted dependence on suppression and fraud). Dems can tap into and spread physically into enthusiasm and discontent, without much benefit from national news or local news organizations.

Starkly, it is becoming, but unlikely ever to be acknowledged, a war of footsoldier democracy against the packaged, rigged system. If people really knew the score I am betting the system would adapt to fight it back more viciously or cowardly than it is doing know, in its chosen path of denial and tamping down of issues and urgency. Since the GOP is on shaky ground and unsure it MUST go with the game that brought them in.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 07:55 PM
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50. Good points...as Axelrod said in the article...
the Obama campaign has many different ways to get to 270. The GOP has only a narrow path.

:hi:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:34 AM
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54. Its a weird scene out there but you can tell the people who are out
canvassing and those that are just worrying themselves sick.


last week canvassing for Leibham CA 50 (doing so well that Al Gore is coming to help next week.)


And the paid (volunteer?) staffer turns out to be a recently college student from Maryland.

turns out he went to Thailand with his best friend after graduation.

I told him that was funny because my best friend from Thailand just had his son graduate from college and he went to Thailand with his best friend.

Yup turns out my best friend's son's best friend ends up working the same neighborhood 3000 miles away from his home.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 05:31 PM
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58. Interesting post .
"Yup turns out my best friend's son's best friend ends up working the same neighborhood 3000 miles away from his home."

You are right..too many are panicking and failing to realize what a competent candidate we have.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:12 PM
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57. "We're going into Nov. 4 with many different scenarios to get to 270 electoral votes"
True statement.

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