Could we raise enough $$ for an ad in the NYT decrying Dem "leadership."

[Atman]

It seems no one is speaking for "the people" or sanity anymore. The democrats, put back in power by the American people to affect change, instead have decided to cuddle up to Bush and let he and Cheney do anything they want. Who is telling them otherwise? No one is fighting them -- no one, meaning no "real people." They only hear from their closed circle. How the hell can we make these people listen???

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[BayCityProgressive]

1. They aren't going to listen

I always vote Dem in national elections because it gives us an opportunity to push our issues..but I never hold out hope any of them will actually be acted on. The Democrats are only a few shades better than their "opposition". The two parties just pat eachother on the back. The two parties used to unite and run a united candidate against Bernie Sanders. Shows you how progressive Dems really are. They would rather back their GOP buddies than real progressives.

[bigtree]

2. I can't see any purpose in attacking our own legislators and letting the republicans slide.

I think it would be self-destructive nonsense. You would be better served to attack the republican obstructionists instead of spreading the LIE that our party is is the reason these important issues and concerns are bogged down and being blocked from debate.

What happened to making republicans listen?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

4. ITA (but the GOP still has the 'ear of the media')

which makes it more difficult.

Yes, I think an ad in the NYT would be self destructive for us.

[Atman]

8. I don't mean an ad ATTACKING the dems. Just demanding the listen

to the people who voted for them instead of continuing down the same road. I'm not necessarily advocating this move either way, it was just a thought born of frustration. No one appears to be listening, not dems, not GOP, and George and Dick just continue to do whatever the fuck they want.

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[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. unravelling the mysteries of the Bush admin. is harder that you think!

go see the Congressmen and Congresswomen and tell them what you think. Do you have Dem representatives? If not pick out some key ones. Call them and ask to be put through to them. Are you near DC?

I think Dems are frightened of the Bush cabal.:scared:

[mmonk]

9. You've nailed it.

"I think Dems are frightened of the Bush cabal." There's no reason not to try at least to get though. There's no reason to let violations to continue to slide. Everybody seems to recognize they are timid.

Before I'm attacked by some, back up your position I'm wrong. I'll save you some time. Democrats don't have enough votes in the senate to do anything. Any others?

[bigtree]

12. At least the leadership compromise would actually reach Bush's desk

What's 'courageous' about trying to pull the plug without doing ANYTHING about the original IWR, or even demanding that he withdraw in some binding legislative form? Nothing, that's what. The folks who tell us that rejecting one supplemental would cause Bush to bend are misleading us. Bush would have no reason at all to accept that Congress had directed him to end his occupation. The original IWR would still be in place. Are proponents of leaving that IWR in place cowards? Are proponents of shelving the legislative demand that he withdraw cowards for not wanting to directly confront Bush?

[Bitwit1234]

5. I think they are making headway

Remember they don't have a good of a majority in the senate as could get things done quicker. I think that is why they know that trying to impeach bush would not be possible. There is so much corruption so much digging they have to do the job seems endless. They have only been in two months. It took bush six years and the republican congress before them eight years to make this mess. They are trying. What do you want them to do.

[Atman]

10. It would be possible to impeach, but not convict.

Just bringing it up, letting people know they understand, giving America HOPE that we have not simply handed over our entire nation to these war-mongering criminals. Sometimes the actions mean more than the outcome.

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[ellacott]

6. It would've been nice to suggest this when the other side was in power

[NNN0LHI]

7. If we were going to do it a paper with some credibility would be better

The NYTs blows.

Don

[INdemo]

11. Most of this "Democrats not listening"

is brought about by the corporate media propaganda echos and it is obviously working..The funding for the war hasn't passed yet has it? The Senate has come forth with a plan to redeploy troops. What we hear is nothing more than Republicans cry that if Democrats dont pass the funding bill than they dont support the troops ..which of course is BS...Can we give this Democratic congress a chance to do their work before we are so quick to criticize? We had a Republican controlled Congress for the most part for the last what, 12 years and we certainly can't have a complete turn around in just a few months. We have been in this war now for almost four years and there are just no quick fix solutions with the Democratic major having to fight the opposition as well as a well oiled propaganda machine.
And remember the Democrats announced a plan a few days ago that would set a time table for troop withdrawal but not much has been mentioned about that by the corporate media..