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Indigo Blue (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 01:26 AM Original message |
Explaining White Privilege (Or, Your Defense Mechanism is Showing) |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. . . . |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm sorry, but I can't take anything Tim Wise says seriously |
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endthewar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Tim Wise butted heads against the Dem Party many years ago |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. Huh? What About Apologists For Bush Democrats? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
65. so that alone dismisses everything he says... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. His point that White People "clean up well" is really the point of fact |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 05:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. But ,you have to admit, those with the money trump all privledge. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 05:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Do you believe rich people of colour |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
55. People Of Color Who Became Capitalists Are Part Of The Problem |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. Now there's a new twist! |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. And It's Absolutely True |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Ya think they might all vote for McCain? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Sure .... What A Silly Question |
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DoctorMyEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 07:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I don't think you're getting it |
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Kind of Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Yeah, the best explanation is to experience it. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. who feels it, knows it |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 06:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. As the mother of 2 |
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arthritisR_US (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. exactly, put the author aside and assess the words on their merit.... I |
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InkAddict (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Funny, that is the exact phrase that was said to us by the |
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CADEMOCRAT7 (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
7. Thank you for discussing white privilege |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Thank YOU for your post |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
8. Tim Wise is the biggest benefactor of white privilege on earth |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Exactly |
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Brewman_Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
64. And he says it out loud |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
13. It's true, |
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Indigo Blue (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I don't have to imagine how he felt. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Great post, Kajsa! |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Thank you, Karenina! |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Oh No, Indigo Blue! |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
14. "White Privilege" Is Not The Main Problem |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. There are people, myself included, that would disagree with you |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. And Do You Also Think "male privilege" Is Also More Important Than Class |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I think your own paradigm is sort of invisible to you. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. You Don't Understand Class |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. "White privilege" holds the class structure in place. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. And How Does Politics Help Maintain That Class Dominance Over Workers? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
75. Those appealing to the baser instincts of the white working class |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. racism was consciously promoted & institutionalized to divide the masses. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. The only way for a social phenomenon to change is though individuals changing their behavior |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. No, it's not. People don't change their behavior as "individuals" on the basis of lectures, |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
18. Awwww, Poor Baby. He Writes A Piece Containing A Totally Moronic And Ignorant Theory But Then Gets |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
40. What exactly do you disagree with in his original essay on white privilege? |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 07:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. you're assuming there's a something resembling an actual thought process behind an omc post. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. There Is Always Thought Behind Them. Course, Your Reply Seems To Be Void Of Any. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Check Here: |
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Indigo Blue (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
48. OPERATIONMINDCRIME, it's not a "theory'; it's reality. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Your Reply Is Completely Not Related To My Post. |
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Indigo Blue (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Yes, it is. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. No It Isn't. And No, I Didn't. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. Deleted sub-thread |
fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. Those who say it's about class and not race are missing the point |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Yes, by turning races against each other with shit like Wise writes |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. there's no reason to be turned against one another by what Wise writes |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Hmmm... A white guy writing about other white's blind spots |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. If only people would stop talking about things like racism and white privilege |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Why would you think that? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I don't think that -- I was being sarcastic |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Sorry... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #47 |
59. No worries -- |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. I guess there are two ways to look at it. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. well fine then FUCKING SAY THAT |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
76. no he doesn't say that |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. YES HE DOES |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. well, the quality of his examples is another issue entirely |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
27. Who keeps posting this shit? |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. YES, WE DO! |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. You have the luxury of being annoyed by hearing about racism "for the umpteenth" time |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #27 |
68. I See Nothing Wrong with It... This is by the way... the first time |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
41. Tim Wise makes some people reaaaaally touchy. nt |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 03:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Funny thing, that... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. no, tim wise makes some people want to gag, for the freaking banality |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Thanks for sharing, Mr. Hannity. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. "identity politics" is a commonly-used term in post-modern philosophy. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. It is the "identity politics" of working class whites |
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Chico (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
51. White privilege WTF? |
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Brewman_Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. You proved his point |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
67. You Made His Point for Him |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
63. (shrug) It's the predictable result of telling white folks that they're racist.... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
66. Very Well Stated.... |
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4 t 4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
80. You and your book Writer are very sick people.... |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 05:34 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Tennessee is a RED STATE. Even now. Ever wonder why? |
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