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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:57 AM
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Is it Fascism yet?
Think it's clear that without extraordinary and immediate measures, all the levers of our government will be transferred to the private (corporate) sector. The notion of "blood on the streets" may be literal if the average citizen is to ever retrieve their constitutional rights and privileges.
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NeoTheo Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:08 AM
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1. Close
The government is currently acquiring the assets of corporations under the guise of bailouts but it is really just the government and the corporation becoming one. As for us regaining our rights the public has been far to placated for that to ever happen.

I'm sorry to say that we are simply at the point were one has to acknowledge that it is Game Over. The American experiment was grand while it lasted, which clearly it lasted longer than anyone thought it would during the Constitutional convention, but it has now become entombed in the annals of history.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:29 AM
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7. Well the corporations already control the government, the media, and your daily life
So I don't see how this bailout makes that much of a difference in terms of a definition of our government.
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NeoTheo Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:54 PM
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10. Then stay tuned
you will. The best is yet to come.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:03 PM
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13. And on top of it... those on Wall Street are not held accountable
that's also why I think this is fascism...
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:10 AM
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2. There'd be blood in the streets if we were out there were trying to stop it.
I guess you can say we're trying through peaceful means (election).

It'll be interesting to see what happens after November.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:26 AM
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6. Agree that Nov is the "last exit"
My fear is that they have front loaded this so that anything short of a "Double Roosevelt" will be ineffective.

We are going to require the trustbusting of Teddy along with the rebuilding of Franklin to get us out of this mess and that was done under 5 terms of office.

This is going to take a very long time to overcome.
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behave Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:12 AM
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3. For the thousandth time, yes.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:16 AM
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4. Almost. Unless Congress stands it's ground, we're there.
If they hand over OUR money to the crooks without demanding details and demanding the American people get something in return, we're finished. They will have abdicated any power they still have and corporations will have a lock on controlling this country.

Democracy? HA HA HA.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:20 AM
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5. October 1st that Army brigade to guard the US against man-made or national disasters will be
ready to secure the homeland in the USA Inc.


co-incidence? I think not.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:33 AM
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9. More info please.
A link or words to google on?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:59 PM
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12. keeping their ducks in a row...
do you suppose Wall Street big shots could make the violence into a TV program? Afterall, they seem to love making a buck off the pain of the withering middleclass....
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:32 AM
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8. No. It combines the *worst* aspects of Communism and Capitalism
"I wish people would stop equating this bail-out with Communism. In a Communist system, the public collectively owns entire industries; the debts are public, but so are the gains. In Paulson’s scenario, the Federal government takes out a risky loan from China, in turn makes risky loans to investment banks with China’s money, and investment banks try to sell off ownership of previous risky loans they have made to consumers in order to repay the government. When no one is able to repay any of these loans, we end up with an even worse economy than we started with and with even more debt to China.

This bail-out is like putting lipstick on a rancid, radioactive turd."

Quoted from a comment here: http://wonkette.com/402893/402893

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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:57 PM
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11. It seems to me that at the moment what we are seeing is quite the opposite of that
It is not corporate power taking over the reigns of Government but in fact it is Government stepping in and taking over the power recently held by the corporate giants. Its not fascism, its socialism.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:04 PM
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14. The Government is already at the behest of Wall Street
they control DC.... and we are now seeing the end result. We the tax payer now are Wall Street's insurance.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 06:49 PM
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15. Corporations already own the gov't, now they have tapped the taxbase.
Public funds are being directly funnelled to private investors. They have siphoned off any possible profits from the working class through S&L, Tech/Housing bubbles, and the overall credit crisis. Now without any more tricks available to keep their ponzi scheme afloat, their lackeys (bought and paid for politicians/regulators) are giving away the Treasury so the CEOs and Traders (traitors?) can keep their profits while the the workers of the world put in more hours to buy a loaf of bread.

Sure sounds like Fascism to me.

Only the RW is calling it Socialism to hide where the money is going. We are only getting the bills, the profits and ownership are still in private hands.
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