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Thu Sep-25-08 09:11 PM
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House Republicans WALKED OUT of the Meeting |
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Thu Sep-25-08 09:13 PM
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1. Call their bluff Democrats--they're spineless |
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Thu Sep-25-08 09:15 PM
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2. They are... Pelosi will not bring a partisan bill |
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Thu Sep-25-08 09:16 PM
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Thu Sep-25-08 09:17 PM
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Now we will see if McCain sticks to his word and skips the debate.
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Thu Sep-25-08 09:19 PM
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5. McLame has just been dissed big time by Frank. His cover of "helping the |
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economy" (for any who believed it) has just imploded.
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Thu Sep-25-08 10:46 PM
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9. Just reported on CNN that McCain's camp is being careful not to say what his position is |
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Fri Sep-26-08 01:12 AM
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41. He's figuring out a way to claim Obama's position as his own. n/t |
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Fri Sep-26-08 07:01 AM
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55. you mean the position where you stick your head up your own butt? |
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Doesn't need to state the obvious! We all have eyes!
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Thu Sep-25-08 10:48 PM
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11. I hope they stick to not having a Dem only bailout - it must have |
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substantial repub support.
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Thu Sep-25-08 10:49 PM
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:38 PM
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23. We don't need a partisan bill. Just walk away. We don't need ANY bill |
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It is the GOP that needs this bill, not the dems. If the GOP wants to piss around with this, then just walk away. We have everything to gain. They have everything to lose.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:39 PM
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:48 PM
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30. He is wrong. He is just repeating the same lies that Bush uses |
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There is absolutely no credit crisis. There is not problem getting loans. Banks are LOADED with credit, thanks to the Fed. And Congress has NOTHING to do with liquidity. That is ENTIRELY within the scope of the Fed's powers. Krugman should be smarter than this. But even if really doesn't understand how the credit markets work, he should just pick up the phone and call some business owners.
Show me one well-run, profitable business that is having any trouble getting credit.
Show me a single consumer with a decent credit rating who cannot get a reasonable mortgage.
There aren't any. There is no credit crisis. This is all bullshit. It is all a manufactured crisis.
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Fri Sep-26-08 01:15 AM
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42. I'll take his words rather thanyours and if they are loaded with |
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cash, why the high LIBOR rate?
Easy question...you'd have to know what LIBOR is...but that's beside the point
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Fri Sep-26-08 05:56 AM
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48. How much is your line of credit? |
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Mine is $50 million and my bankers have been calling the past two weeks offering to INCREASE our credit lines. We don't want it. We don't need it. We didn't ask for it. But they gave it to us anyway.
Krugman is a university professor, not a businessman. He should get out more. And you should talk to somebody who knows something before you shoot off your mouth.
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Fri Sep-26-08 02:36 PM
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62. Whatever, you say... at this point |
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so what is the LIBOR rate? I noticed you didn't even dodge the question.
Look it up
Free clue, this is NOT your line of credit, it is the INTERBANK lending rate
Now go shoot your mouth off somewhere else
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:40 PM
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NO to corporate welfare. Let the markets adjust themselves. Bankruptcies and failures are part and parcel of a healthy and vibrant market.
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Fri Sep-26-08 03:06 PM
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64. I tend to agree, and I wonder if this might be what is going on... |
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the smaller (relatively) banks and businesses who run their businesses well are the ones who will benefit, and the ones who have taken too much risk are in danger of losing big. The ultra-wealthy may be in danger of losing some of their uberwealth. Have the uberwealthy ever really suffered in the history of mankind?
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Thu Sep-25-08 09:19 PM
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6. What took them so long? |
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Damn, I was surprised the cowards even showed up to begin with.
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Thu Sep-25-08 10:45 PM
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8. Couldn't make their big Drama Queen exit without showing up. n/t |
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:20 PM
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16. Did Boner cry again??? |
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Fri Sep-26-08 05:53 AM
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46. That was exactly my first response when I read the headline. |
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He's so damned repulsive.
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Thu Sep-25-08 09:20 PM
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all the way to their off-shore banks
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Thu Sep-25-08 10:46 PM
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10. Good, adjourn congress and go home. |
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:18 PM
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Put an end to this nightmare.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:42 PM
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27. Absolutely. If the GOP can't get with Bush, that ain't our problem. |
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Go home, everybody.
Guess what, when you come back Monday, the world will still be standing. We will learn that there isn't a "credit crisis" at all. This was a manufactured crisis, not a real one. The COP has handed is a huge gift. We can walk away now and if there are any negative consequences, it is the GOP that screwed the pooch TWICE -- in creating the problem and in blocking Bush's solution.
Step back. Pour a nice cold one and watch the Republicans do their own circular firing squad.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:17 PM
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13. The Dems should just walk away from this fiasco |
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Pelosi and Reid should tell Dubya that if he is unable to get HIS party on board he should not expect the Dems to do it for him.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:18 PM
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15. Wrong answer unless you're a betting man |
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:23 PM
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17. So you think the Dems should go it alone |
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and take the hit rather than calling the Repubs bluff and forcing them to share in passing this bill.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:36 PM
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22. The Dems will not go at it alone.... Listen to Pelosi |
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I am no fan, but she was clear on that...no partisan bill
But the longest this takes the worst it will be
the GOP is committing party suicide...but I am not celebrating
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:50 PM
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31. Sorry but in the year and eight months that Pelosi has been speaker |
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she has done very little to make me feel confident in what she says or does. Make the Repubs leaders get their people on board to the tune of a least half their members of the house plus one, then address the issue again.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:58 PM
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36. I don't trust Pelosi either. |
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She said forcefully that there would be no off-shore drilling a few months ago, and now look. Ironically, the one time she kept her word was when she said impeachment would be off the table.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:31 PM
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18. On CNN Ed Gillespie, the Republican Strategist, said |
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This group of conservative house members are thinking about reclaiming their party and putting party first.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:50 PM
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33. Translation: They want to pick up the pieces of the broken party |
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:31 PM
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19. THEN DEMS SHOULD SHOVE IT UP BUSH'S ASS, CROSSWISE. |
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Fri Sep-26-08 05:54 AM
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:33 PM
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20. Don't we have enough of a majority to get it done without them? |
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Help the people and let the banks sell raffle tickets.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:44 PM
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28. Why would we want to do that? |
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The public hates this bailout. It is not addressing any of the problems that affect the average person. It is just a bailout for high-rollers that screwed up big time.
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Fri Sep-26-08 12:10 AM
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38. To put every thing in that needs to be done for "Main Street's" economic recovery. |
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If the thugs want to walk, then the DEMS can put together a plan that saves the people being foreclosed on and gives the banking groups the bill. Their shareholders who have been hanging on like a bunch of vampires get nothing. The people who have been wronged get taken care of.
Maybe if the thugs walk then we just turn it into a mega investigation and freeze assets until we get the truth.
If the thugs want to run away, DEMS could pass an election reform bill instead.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:33 PM
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21. I found some posts from another forum that really hit home. |
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They are so right on target it's frightening. Conspiratorial, yes. But true. I still have hope, but what has happened is nothing short of the world's greatest heist.
Bailout will stop any progressive agenda That's the whole point. Make sure the Democratic administration has no options. Burn the crops and salt the fields, as you retreat. And don't forget to poison all the wells, too!! The problem is we're doing it to ourselves The dumbfuck Republicans haven't figured out that the government is us. Repubs think it's THEIR government, not ours! The republicans act as though America is their house, and they've suddenly realized that we (the people) are possibly coming to repossess it. They are ripping out all the fixtures and most anything having value rather than following American law and any sense of group identity with fellow Americans.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:38 PM
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24. And in my view these religious fanatics (free market) are about to |
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commit party suicide... still I'm not celebrating
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:53 PM
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35. I guess next election will be between the Green and Democratic parties |
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Republicans should be out of the game by then
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Fri Sep-26-08 12:12 AM
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39. You mean those who worship the free market? |
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Yeah, I always had two thoughts about "free" stuff.
What is the "real" cost?
What do you want for nothing, your money back?
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Fri Sep-26-08 01:41 AM
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43. Why are you letting them scare you? You know what these bastards are all about. |
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Edited on Fri Sep-26-08 02:30 AM by TheGoldenRule
Connect the dots. Everything is a lie and has been for YEARS.
They are playing this for all it's worth in order to wring every dime of fear and money out of this they can.
Step back, take a deep breath and look at their history. 911, Katrina, 2 stolen elections and on and on and on.
To believe them now is utter folly. I don't care how much they try and prove their case.
They are lying sacks of shit through and though.
I've said it before but the game plan is totally collapse the U.S. in order to create The North American Union.
Then Bye Bye Constitution
Bye Bye United States of America.
Bye Bye Freedom.
and
Hello Dictator *.
And that is something we should all fear a whole helluva lot more than a credit crisis or whatever the hell they are calling this blackmail.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:44 PM
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Now John McCain can come roaring to the rescue, convincing the House GOP to approve the bailout in just enough time to skip the debates. Then everyone cheers.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:50 PM
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32. That's why the right play is to shut down early and go home for the weekend. |
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McCain can stay "suspended" as long as he wants. And he can duck the debate if he wants. But he sure as hell won't be passing any bills if the Dems go home.
We need to stop feeding this guy. Make him pay for his blunders.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:53 PM
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34. I think that gets spun as as "Dems walk away while house on fire" |
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I agree on making them pay, but walking away won't solve the problem.
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Fri Sep-26-08 12:20 AM
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40. then the Dems need to reiterate that the house is not on fire... |
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it's mclame's hair that's on fire.
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Thu Sep-25-08 11:59 PM
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37. DO NOTHING!!! GO HOME AND WAIT... |
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The so-called dem "leadership" better not give us another Iraq War Resolution or Patriot Act...
If they do so, I will NOT be voting for their re-election (Reid is my senator)...
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Fri Sep-26-08 04:40 AM
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Perched over the treacherous waters of public outrage, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, and possibly Obama have walked the Bush bailout plank and now that plank is being sawed off by the House Republicans and McCain.
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Fri Sep-26-08 05:57 AM
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49. The Repubs are making such outrageous proposals that the Dems cannot accept. |
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They could conceivably reach no agreement and the Repubs go home and campaign on the theme that the Dems are obstructing their efforts to fix this financial market mess.
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Fri Sep-26-08 06:26 AM
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51. And if you need proof |
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Washington Mutual was taken over on a Thursday.
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Fri Sep-26-08 06:32 AM
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52. who, exactly ordered this take over of WAMU? |
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...and basically gave it to JPMorgan? Who controls JP Morgan? I smell something like Carlyle
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Fri Sep-26-08 06:52 AM
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Several banks have been taken over this year but never in history has this been done on a Thursday. This is a deliberate attempt to create panic.
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Fri Sep-26-08 07:34 AM
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57. but they say "The Feds" Who are they - what are their names? |
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James F Baker? Dick Cheney?
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Fri Sep-26-08 07:49 AM
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Who else could decide to create more panic by doing this on a Thursday.
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Fri Sep-26-08 08:06 AM
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59. They are Bush's Hand-picked cronies; The FDIC - look: |
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The FDIC is managed by a five-person Board of Directors, all of whom are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, with no more than three being from the same political party.
Board of Directors Chairman Sheila C. Bair Vice Chairman Martin J. Gruenberg Director Thomas J. Curry Comptroller of the Currency John C. Dugan Director of the Office of Thrift Supervision John M. Reich
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Fri Sep-26-08 08:07 AM
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Of course.
Watch DeFazio complete with his poster in the House.
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Fri Sep-26-08 08:16 AM
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61. hmmm...I can't find any dirt on any of them |
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Fri Sep-26-08 05:33 AM
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Fri Sep-26-08 05:57 AM
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50. People are only going to support their obstructionism... |
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...until their own bank fails. People are dumb.
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Fri Sep-26-08 02:39 PM
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63. Yep... you are so correct it is not even funny |
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the RNC might be committing party suicide
And they don't even realize it
That's what happens when you have a political ideology verging on religion
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Fri Sep-26-08 06:56 AM
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54. Voters look to democrats to clean up republican messes. |
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I don't care what their political affiliation is, if they're willing to fight back and fight off this god awful fucked up bailout, I will support them in their efforts. Hopefully they will continue the fight until this travesty of a plan is dead.
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