I don't like it... GOP tying Dems to Chimpy on this whole bailout thing

[Sagan]

Yes, the Dems are acting responsibly and negotiating in good faith, but this whole thing is starting to stink as a big huge setup to me.

[msongs]

1. wouldnt it be nice if the dems would fight back on this issue? sigh nt

[bdamomma]

2. I just hope the Dems are not being set up, the repigs

are filthy cunning criminals.

[leftofcool]

3. The bottom line is this...

The Dem plan was never going to pass anyway and even if it had, Bush would have vetoed it. The pubs will put forth an alternate plan that will have to be accepted or the Dems will look bad. I suspect that was the plan all along.

[bdamomma]

5. so the repigs plan has deregulations what they want right.

and no protections for us.

[johnlal]

4. Charlie Gibson did that on with George Stephanopolus nodding

Strange bedfellows!

If we don't have a deal with Congress or the White House, then we don't have a deal. They can try to say what they want to.

[riverdeep]

6. It IS a setup.

Good faith with this administration is suicidal. They are the mafia in Brook's Bros. suits.

[Phred42]

13. BIngo!

Good Faith with a rabid dog gets you bit and barking mad

[izquierdista]

7. Oh no!

Wipe that thought from your mind completely. This is like a good samaritan showing up when two winos are having a knife fight over a bottle; there is nothing he can do except yell "put down the knives".

Democrats need to remain calm and objective (which Obama is doing), not get flustered and panicky (which the Pubs are good at), and the picture will become clear when all the swinging is over. For now, just point out that BOTH Republican sides are bat-shit crazy and need to have a time-out.

[DeepBlueC]

8. It does rather look like that

But if Pelosi stands firm then the mess will be laid in the Republicans' lap and McCain will look like he can't even lead his own party. I hope.

[alfredo]

9. Joel Pett Toon

[KharmaTrain]

10. A Set Up For Whom?

This whole "crisis" is a GOOP production. booooosh needed it to help bail his buddies on Wall Street out as he saw not only the bubble bursting but also that Gramps could actually lose in November and thus fleece now while you can. Gramps has tried to use it to show "leadership"...that somehow he's "in control"...and managing the crisis. He pulled this shit with Georgia and then with Hurricane Gustav...he's interjecting himself into this mess to show he's "in charge". Here's his problem...many in his own confused camp want this bail-out (they stand to personally benefit) and he needs the far right to show up at the polls for him if he stands any chance. He's stuck in a box. Instead of riding in and getting "things done"...now this is turned into a mess within his own party.

The more I'm looking at it, the Democrats are playing it smart...using their majorities to force booosh to make some key concessions. booooosh is desperate to bail out his buddies...and I sense a resentment toward Gramps for running away from him. Throughout all this fiasco, Senator Obama has remained very Presidential...steady and consistant, while Gramps "craters"...a victim of his own "smarts" and distractions.

The bottom line is that a majority of people are against this bail-out, Gramps knows it and is trying to find how to tap into that resentment...why I think he's encouraging the Boner gang. He's trying to set this thing up into a "win"...just by being somewhere near a settlement and playing hardball as yet another distraction. Good chance we won't get a final bill until the middle to late next week...that give Gramps some time to spin this one way or another. But this is a game for his own decreaing minority...his blundering is go blatant now that he's all but assuring a loss. This is the most inept campaign I've ever seen.

[riverdeep]

14. It's a set up for the Dems.

I can't be sure if this was planned from the beginning or it's being done on the fly, although the fact that they planned this two months ago makes me suspicious. But as of now, McCain is not 'blundering'. It's the Dems that are walking into a beat down. They are the ones who will look like they are siding with the administration in trying to swindle the taxpayers for a trillion, while McCain does the maverick thing and save the taxpayers money. I'm just repeating what I said on another thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4094878&mesg_id=4095034

Do NOT kid yourself, this move by McCain will cost us the election if the Dems don't bail.

[KharmaTrain]

15. It's Definitely "On The Fly"

If he was gonna rush to the rescue, he would have made sure a deal was done yesterday. My bets are he needs to drag this mess on for his own political cover. He's long detached from reality...this is strictly a campaing of illusions and distractions. His ploys have had short-term gains at long-term losses. His pick of Palin looked like a "masterstroke" at first...the media went right along for the ride...but now that she's turning into a major bust-out, the gain is gone and the damage still hasn't been felt.

Gramps has blundered this fiasco from the git-go. Remember, he first said how the "economy was fundamentally sound"....then went into panic mode less than 24 hours later. He and his inept campaign are trying to use this "crisis" to stay relevant...and it's now leading to opening a big rift within his own party. His conflicting visions...being either the "mavrick" or the "statesman" are all wrapped up in this "crisis" now and is now using it as a diversion. It's to keep the attention off Palin, off Rick Davis, off Phil Gramm...it's a game to try to buck up support he and his handers see slipping away. It's been desperation from the outset...it will only get more desperate.

Senator Obama has played this "crisis" very well...cool and in charge, not erratic and bombastic. The polls show more and more numbers shifting his way and the more Gramps melts down, the better those numbers get. I'm hoping this turns into a "fight" between booooosh and Gramps...yet another war Camp Gramps doesn't have the energy or resources to fight.

[riverdeep]

16. Republicans eating their own would be the very best of possible worlds.

And of course McLiar has had nothing but a fiasco so far on his economic course, but I really believe this move of his is smart. Politically smart, not smart for the country because he doesn't give a shit regardless of his yammering.

Obama needs to distance himself from the Paulson plan, he doesn't have to come right out and say what his solution is yet, but he needs to move in a clear cut way to show the voters unlimited taxfunds are not going to happen.

[redqueen]

17. They already are. Shelby stuck a knife into McCain's back on this very issue.

Republicans in Congress have broken from their 8-year-long lockstep with the WH on this issue.

[riverdeep]

19. Maybe I missed it.

How did Shelby stick it to McCain. From what I understand, McCain is backing the renegade Republicans like Shelby. You're assuming that McCain at some point came out for the Paulson plan. He was very careful not to say what he was for.

This is actually what McCain needed to break his ties with Bush in one fell swoop.

[redqueen]

21. He's head of the Banking Committee... he said on MSNBC yesterday that McCain hasn't called him ONCE.

That's how.

[Wilber_Stool]

11. The truth is

that the economy is going down weather there is a bailout or not. By pulling the Dems into this they are going to be blamed for wasting all this money during a crisis or not doing enough.
It's a responsibility scam and all that has to be done is for the MSM to back it.

[Phred42]

12. This is a Rovian TRAP for the Dems

When THIS bailout fails and they come back to the trough for more...

THIS stupid move by the Dems will be a knife at their throats for ever.

As 8 years of total republican control of the Government has destroyed the Republican 'brand' - THIS Democratic Bailout OF the Oligarchy will destroy the Democratic "brand"

[Romulox]

18. ROPE -A- DOPE. NT

[radfringe]

20. hang these articles/links around their necks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4096053