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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 03:56 PM Original message |
Do people forget we have Section 8, food stamps and welfare programs for the desperate? |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. And the FDIC. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yep, that too. |
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prayin4rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think there are lots of reasons why even if things get |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Yes, because for one thing, these programs didn't even exist back then. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
46. If it is a full out recession, those safety nets will not be available. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. Farmers need to borrow money to plant crops, loans for anything will dry up |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
57. So use the 700 Billion |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. What if they pull the plug on these programs? |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. First...there are very few Section 8's in comparison to the population's needs, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. Thank you! Obviously, the poster isn't aware of the facts. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
7. I don't know about section 8, but to qualify for food stamps and welfare..and medicaid, |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. I am hoping you are being sarcastic? |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. The realities of those programs: |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. good points. |
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Madam Mossfern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
60. Ahem.... |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Well put. |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Well, Dear Madam... |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
11. What I mean is, people are suggesting blood will run in the streets, mass starvation, etc. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. "Just freaking expand these programs as necessary." Right. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Money? I mean real money from taxpayers not borrow from China |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. expansion can't happen when there is NO MONEY... |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. If McCain Is "Selected", Blood WILL Run in the Streets |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
61. You are not only socially naive, but politically naive as well. |
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Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. Have you ever been desperate? Tell the truth now. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I wonder if OP has ever tried to get on any of those programs. |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. It's goddamned hard. |
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Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Also extremely humiliating. |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. And that is something... |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
58. Here in NYC, able-bodied adults without children cannot apply |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. I applied for food stamps once. Gathered lots and lots of info for them. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
13. In case you are not sarcastic - someone still has to pay if we triple the number below poverty |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Well, if the number has tripled... |
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EmperorHasNoClothes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
20. Where will the money come from, if suddenly 30 million more people are on those programs? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
22. The broke governement is gonna give up what we need? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
24. And don't forget we all have health care. Because we can go to the ER. nt |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I actually know people who have used that as their primary health care. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I actually know people who were in concentration camps. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. How dare YOU register here! |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
25. How about we start chasing good money after poor citizens, instead? |
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Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
26. "Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?" |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. No, but the New Deal was created for SOME reason. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. The New Deal Was Created To Prevent Socialism |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. Nicely quoted! |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #26 |
67. Oh man you made my day! nt |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
28. There's nothing wrong with that, but there's not enough of that. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I'm single and childless. I don't qualify for a fucking thing. |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. You're not alone. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. We're expendible. In AZ I can't get medicaid if I make more than $850 a month. |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
31. 3 points: in prior history since the New Deal, the US govt itself |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. DebJ knows her stuff. Read her post. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. Section 8 -- MORE THAN 2 YEARS waiting lists... some CLOSED. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
32. You're kidding right? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
34. There was "relief" back in the Depression, too |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Well, if this is so, then I guess things really will get horrific. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
36. Section 8 on O'ahu has been closed to new applicants for years |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. More homeless. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. It's already the story in most places. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. By "Section 8 places" you must mean the project-based vouchers. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
39. We don't have nearly enough Section 8 housing, if we were to have 10 years |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
40. Nothing except that the Republiks and their allies, the DLCNewBlueDog 5th column, |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
41. 'cause the more who need it the less there is to go around? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
44. I'm reminded of Scrooge's tirade about the poor here |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. That was pretty much the assumption, wasn't it? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
50. So maybe you aren't aware that those things are OVERLOADED??? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #50 |
72. The OP is an argument for letting the banks fail, if I'm reading it right. (nt) |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
59. Do you have any idea how desperately poor people have to be |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
62. Section 8? |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-26-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
63. Epic Fail eom |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
68. Um. |
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dajoki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
69. Programs for the desperate? |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
70. good point, but will the govt have the resources to give us all food stamps? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
71. Are you joking? Do you know how ridiculous Section 8 is? We have tent cities popping up NOW... (nt) |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-27-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
73. Heartless Block of Ice |
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