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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:39 PM
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SOLUTIONS... ok lets get a little creative here ok
anger is not enough

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Stabilize the money supply so we get credit... not necessarily 700B... right now they are talking 250B... I'd cut it down to 150B and make sure it is used right... be ready to use more to stabilize, but since they got their numbers from the rear, well this is a number that should go well into stabilizing this.

Modernize the Warner Act... replace things like minimum wage for living wage... and get rid of all right to work laws around the country

LIMIT the pay of CEOs... by law (and I doubt this would pass constitutional muster) limit pay of CEOs to 40 times the pay of the lowest paid worker... right now, before anybody screams, it is at 500:1 and growing

Taxes on trades... each time you trade, you pay 7% (Thanks Thom Hartmann)

WPA... CCC we need these things to keep people employed in tought times

Housing help for those who will loose their houses... before you scream Roosevelt did as well

Raise tariffs

Get out of NAFTA, WPA, et al

Free education all the way to a PhD



Now what YOU can and should plan to do

Organize at the local level to unionize labor

Pressure to be able to organize freely and in secret. No pressure from employers.. One reason people do NOT strike these days is that nobody can afford it

Get ready for regional and NATIONAL strikes, the last of these were in the 1950s. I hear but I have no power... yes you do... en masse

KNow what you want to demand in each strike. You come with a list...

Now here is one more thing... you do NOT hope that once we elect a person that person will magically change all. You think the people in the Great Depression trusted FDR? They loved him, but didn't trust him. And people still marched and still organized... this means you need to organize OUTSIDE the party structure and be ready to fight them if need be. Oh and you should know... people died to get you those rights... are you willing to die?

PS... my policy list is all but complete, and the same goes with what YOU can do. Oh and in case you wonder, the what you can do... that is community organizing.

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:45 PM
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1. Regulate regulate regulate
Only let people buy and trade stocks in companies, and loans on houses. No trades on debt or debt insurance.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:46 PM
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2. CORRECT
thank you
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:51 PM
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4. Mutual funds based on shares in a number of corporations....
...should also exist.

But "mortgage-related securities" probably shouldn't exist.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:29 AM
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17. Those mutual funds (and pension funds) must be cooperatives ... owned by the shareholders.
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 03:31 AM by TahitiNut
They must NOT be subsidiaries or part of some corporate conglomerate. It's the only exception I'd personally allow to the rule that "corporations cannot own corporations" and all corporate stock must be in the name of a human being with a Social Security number.

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 12:14 AM
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12. yikes! no trades on debt??
that's a guaranteed severe contraction. easily worse than 1929-1933.

remember, the debt market is bigger than the equity market.

oh, and how is the federal government supposed to finance its massive debt with no market?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:09 AM
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15. Freeze all the iffy paper right now; thaw it very slowly. Put up firewalls to separate banking from
speculation

Any loan/bailout must: (1) cap executive salaries; (2) convey matching equity (in the form of preferred shares) to the US; (3) require firms to cooperate fully and openly with subsequent investigation

Protect mortgage holders, by allowing court intervention and by making $50 billion available to municipalities to purchase discounted residential mortgages to save their tax base. Protect consumers, by repealing the bankruptcy law and outlawing predatory lending. Protect savers, by recapitalizing FDIC & doubling or tripling the insured limit. Protect workers, by stopping the offshoring of American jobs

And we need stronger antitrust legislation: too big to fail is too big




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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:51 PM
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3. Good alternate solutions I have noticed posted on DU
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 09:50 PM by avaistheone1
Lots of solid ideas here. Here are a few outstanding plans:


Orginially posted by marmar

Thom Hartmann: How Wall Street Can Bail Itself Out Without Destroying The Dollar

For Grover "Drown Government In The Bathtub" Norquist, this bailout deal will work out very well. At a proposed cost of $4,780 per taxpayer, it'll further the David Stockman strategy of so indebting us that the next president won't have the luxury of even thinking of new social spending (expanding health care, social security, education, infrastructure, etc.); taxes will even have to be raised just to pay for the bailout. It'll debase our currency, driving up commodity prices and interest rates, which will benefit the Investor Class while further impoverishing the pesky Middle Class, rendering them less prone to protest (because they're so busy working trying to pay off their debt). It'll create stagflation for at least the next half decade, which can be blamed on Democrats who currently control Congress and, should Obama be elected, be blamed on him.

But there's another way: Create an agency to fund the bailout, loan that agency the money from the treasury, and then have that agency tax Wall Street to pay us (the treasury) back.

It's been done before, and has several benefits.

In the United Kingdom, for example, whenever you buy or sell a share of stock (or a credit swap or a derivative, or any other activity of that sort) you pay a small tax on the transaction. We did the same thing here in the US from 1914 to 1966 (and, before that, we did it to finance the Spanish American War and the Civil War).

For us, this Securities Turnover Excise Tax (STET) was a revenue source. For example, if we were to instate a .25 percent STET (tax) on every stock, swap, derivitive, or other trade today, it would produce - in its first year - around $150 billion in revenue. Wall Street would be generating the money to fund its own bailout. (For comparison, as best I can determine, the UK's STET is .25 percent, and Taiwan just dropped theirs from .60 to .30 percent.)

But there are other benefits.

As John Maynard Keynes pointed out in his seminal economics tome, The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money in 1936, such a securities transaction tax would have the effect of "mitigating the predominance of speculation over enterprise." ......(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/26

DU discussion of this idea
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4096659



orginially posted by avaistheone1
Progressive Economist James Galbraith’s plan

A Bailout We Don't Need
By James K. Galbraith
Thursday, September 25, 2008; A19

Now that all five big investment banks -- Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley -- have disappeared or morphed into regular banks, a question arises.
Is this bailout still necessary?

The point of the bailout is to buy assets that are illiquid but not worthless. But regular banks hold assets like that all the time. They're called "loans."

With banks, runs occur only when depositors panic, because they fear the loan book is bad. Deposit insurance takes care of that. So why not eliminate the pointless $100,000 cap on federal deposit insurance and go take inventory? If a bank is solvent, money market funds would flow in, eliminating the need to insure those separately. If it isn't, the FDIC has the bridge bank facility to take care of that.

Next, put half a trillion dollars into the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. fund -- a cosmetic gesture -- and as much money into that agency and the FBI as is needed for examiners, auditors and investigators. Keep $200 billion or more in reserve, so the Treasury can recapitalize banks by buying preferred shares if necessary -- as Warren Buffett did this week with Goldman Sachs. Review the situation in three months, when Congress comes back. Hedge funds should be left on their own. You can't save everyone, and those investors aren't poor.

With this solution, the systemic financial threat should go away. Does that mean the economy would quickly recover? No. Sadly, it does not. Two vast economic problems will confront the next president immediately. First, the underlying housing crisis: There are too many houses out there, too many vacant or unsold, too many homeowners underwater. Credit will not start to flow, as some suggest, simply because the crisis is contained. There have to be borrowers, and there has to be collateral. There won't be enough.


In Texas, recovery from the 1980s oil bust took seven years and the pull of strong national economic growth. The present slump is national, and it can't be cured that way. But it could be resolved in three years, rather than 10, by a new Home Owners Loan Corp., which would rewrite mortgages, manage rental conversions and decide when vacant, degraded properties should be demolished. Set it up like a draft board in each community, under federal guidelines, and get to work.

The second great crisis is in state and local government. Just Tuesday, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced $1.5 billion in public spending cuts. The scenario is playing out everywhere: Schools, fire departments, police stations, parks, libraries and water projects are getting the ax, while essential maintenance gets deferred and important capital projects don't get built. This is pernicious when unemployment is rising and when we have all the real resources we need to preserve services and expand public investment. It's also unnecessary.

What to do? Reenact Richard Nixon's great idea: federal revenue sharing. States and localities should get the funds to plug their revenue gaps and maintain real public spending, per capita, for the next three to five years. Also, enact the National Infrastructure Bank, making bond revenue available in a revolving fund for capital improvements. There is work to do. There are people to do it. Bring them together. What could be easier or more sensible?

Here's another problem: the wealth loss to near-retirees and the elderly from a declining stock market as things shake out. How about taking care of this, with rough justice, through a supplement to Social Security? If you need a revenue source, impose a turnover tax on stocks.

Next, let's think about what the next upswing should try to achieve and how it should be powered. If the 1960s were about raising baby boomers and the '90s about technology, what should the '10s and '20s be about? It's obvious: energy and climate change. That's where the present great unmet needs are.

So, let's use the next few years to plan, mapping out a program of energy conservation, reconstruction and renewable power. Let's get the public sector and the universities working on it. And let's prepare the private sector so that when the credit crunch finally ends, we'll have the firms, the labs, the standards and the talent in place, ready to go.

Some will ask if we can afford it. To see the answer, don't look at budget projections. Just look at interest rates. Last week, in the panic, the federal government could fund itself, short term, for free. It could have raised money for 30 years and paid less than 4 percent. That's far less than it cost back in 2000.

No country in this situation is broke, or insolvent, or even in much trouble. For once, Wall Street's own markets speak the truth. The financially challenged customer isn't Uncle Sam. He's up on Wall Street, where deregulation, greed and fraud ran wild.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


DU discussion
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4098540&mesg_id=4098540





Originally posted by Union Thug

Bernie Sanders and his plan for handling the economic crisis


Dear Secretary Paulson:
As a representative of the Bush Administration, you have proposed a financial bailout program of $700 billion – over $2,000 for every man, woman, and child in the country. We are appalled that your proposal puts the cost of this bailout on average Americans; that it contains no provisions reversing failed deregulatory policies; that it allows executives at these failed institutions to continue to make exorbitant salaries and bonuses, and that your proposal contains no help for average Americans who themselves are facing severe economic hardships.
While the Administration has quickly rallied to help Wall Street, it has ignored the needs of the declining middle class. Since President Bush has been in office the wealthiest people in this country have made out like bandits and have not had it so good since the 1920s. The top one-tenth of one percent now earn more income than the bottom 50 percent of Americans and the top one percent own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent. Incredibly, the richest 400 people in our country saw their wealth increase by $670 billion during the Bush presidency.
Having mismanaged the economy for 8 years while continually insisting that, “The fundamentals of our economy are strong,” the Bush Administration, six weeks before an election, wants the middle class of this country to bail out Wall Street to the tune of one trillion dollars. Meanwhile the wealthiest people, those who have benefited most from Bush’s policies and are in the best position to pay, are being asked for no sacrifice at all. This is absurd.
Any plan to clean up the mess on Wall Street must:
1. Ensure that middle income and working families are not the ones who are paying for this bailout by
o Imposing a five-year, 10 percent surtax on income over $1 million a year for couples and over $500,000 for single taxpayers. That would raise more than $300 billion in revenue over five years;
o Ensuring that assets purchased from banks are realistically discounted so companies are not rewarded for their risky behavior and taxpayers can recover the amount they paid for them; and
o Requiring that taxpayers receive equity stakes in the bailed-out companies so that the taxpayers’ assumption of risk is rewarded when companies’ stock goes up.

Taken together these three provisions will substantially reduce the likelihood that this bailout will end up on the backs of average American taxpayers.
2. Include a major economic recovery package which puts Americans to work at decent wages. Among many other areas, we can create millions of jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and moving our country from fossil fuels to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. Further, we must protect our must vulnerable families from the very difficult times they are experiencing.
3. Repeal the disastrous de-regulatory legislation that facilitated this crisis.
4. End the danger posed by companies that are “too big to fail,” that is, companies whose failure would cause systemic harm to the U.S. economy. If a company is too big to fail, it is too big to exist. We need to determine which companies fall in this category and then break them up.
In closing, we believe it is appropriate to act quickly to address any systemic danger to our economy. But that does not mean that we need to give a blank check to the financial sector.
Sincerely,
Senator Bernie Sanders
Citizen Co-Signers


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/issues/crisis.cfm


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:56 PM
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5. Yes we have, thank you
and I like aspects of each... but none will happen until we the people en-masse demand progressive plans

Hell, I''d raise taxes on the top 5% to the confiscatory levels of the 1960s with absolutely no holes, they were 70%... (I'd prefer 90% but 70% seems to be horrific enough for our blue dogs)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:11 PM
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6. These sound good, but immediate relief is apparently also needed in some form.
The liquidity is being drained intentionally and otherwise.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:09 PM
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7. Agreed, especially on the liquidity side
and if this is intentional and chiefly can be proven, those responsible should have a good life in the pockey
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:42 PM
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11. here you go.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:30 AM
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18. Here's what I take away from there as a proposal:


1–Force all off-balance sheet “assets” back onto the balance sheet, and force the valuation models and identification of individual assets out of Level 3 and into 10Qs and 10Ks. Do it now. (Editor: In other words, no more Enron-type accounting mumbo-jumbo and no more allowing the banks assign their own “values” to dodgy assets)

2–Force all OTC derivatives onto a regulated exchange similar to that used by listed options in the equity markets. This permanently defuses the derivatives time bomb. Give market participants 90 days; any that are not listed in 90 days are declared void; let the participants sue each other if they can’t prove capital adequacy.(Ed: If trading derivatives contracts can damage the “regulated” system, than that trading must take place under strict government regulations)

3–Force leverage by all institutions to no more than 12:1. The SEC intentionally dropped broker/dealer leverage limits in 2004; prior to that date 12:1 was the limit. Every firm that has failed had double or more the leverage of that former 12:1 limit. Enact this with a six month time limit and require 1/6th of the excess taken down monthly. (Ed: The collapse in the “structured finance” model is mainly due to too much leverage. For example, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had $80 of debt for every $1 dollar od capital reserves when they were taken into government conservatorship)

If there’s going to be a bailout, let’s get it right. Paulson’s $700 billion bill does nothing to fix the deep structural problems in the financial markets; it merely pushes the day of reckoning a little further into the future while shifting the burden of payment for toxic assets onto the taxpayer. It’s a real turkey. The entire system needs transformational change so that the activities of Wall Street mesh with the broader objectives of the society it’s supposed to serve. Paulson’s business-model is busted; it does no one any good to try to glue it back together.



which was a cite to the whole thing at a trader's blog here:



Once 1-3 are put in place then send in the OTS and OCC examiners and look at every financial institution in the United States. All who are insolvent and unable to raise private capital immediately are forced through receivership where the debt is converted to equity and existing equity is wiped out. With the CDS monster caged the systemic risk is removed, the bondholders provide the cushion for recapitalization (as it should be) and the restructured firm emerges with no debt while the former bondholders are now the owners (of the equity) in the resulting firm.

With a clean balance sheet the restructured firms remain in business and open the next morning able to raise and attract capital.

For the few firms that have an insufficient debtholder capital cushion to successfully complete this process, they are liquidated instead. There will be few of these and in fact each of those firms is a regulatory failure, as we should have never permitted a firm to become so far "underwater" that the bondholder's capital is insufficient to capitalize a restructuring.

Finally, drop the silly shorting restrictions. Liquidity in the market right now stinks and this is a big part of why. Start prosecuting aggressively the rumors and other manipulation that leads to stocks both rising and falling.

This plan will work, it will instantaneously stabilize the credit markets as balance sheets will be transparent, the CDS monster will be permanently de-fanged, leverage will be returned to reasonable levels and the forcibly restructured firms will have no debt on their balance sheets and be able to immediately access the capital markets.

Best of all, it will require exactly zero taxpayer dollars.



http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

Could this work? Or is this crazy talk? I seriously don't know, but since nothing had been written in stone (quite yet)
as even a few days ago I wish I thought Congress had put together an outside Blue_Ribbon panel of a few of those 150+ economists (that wrote to them begging them to slow down) instead of just talking to George W Bush every other day.



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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:14 AM
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16. The big boys will suck up liquidity as fast as we could inject it, if they aren't restricted
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:53 PM
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8. kick
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:56 PM
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9. All of that and REREGULATION of capitalism ---
Capitalism is a ridiculous "King of the Hill System" ...

designed to move the nation's wealth/assets from the many to the few --

It's simply failing again of its own corruption --
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:58 PM
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10. We need to go back to small c Capitalism,
that is main street capitalism, what Mr. Smith would recognize

And in the public sector we need to go back to Keynes, fully

Listening to Naomi Wolf... and it strikes me that today it is Keynes that is the radical ideology... never mind it worked
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 12:17 AM
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13. why wouldn't a pay cap for ceo's be constitutional?
hell, strictly speaking, the government could revoke corporate charters if it were so inclined.

that's politically impossible these days, but constitutionally and legally fine.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 02:11 AM
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14. i'd like to know what all this money is for...exactly, specifically
meaning which corp is getting it and for what and why

i can't wrap my mind around 700 fucking billion. (give me a fucking break!)

they pulled this number out of their ass.

here is what bernie sanders says:

in part:

Let us be clear. If the economy is on the edge of collapse we need to act. But rescuing the economy does not mean we have to just give away $700 billion of taxpayer money to the banks. (In truth, it could be much more than $700 billion. The bill only says the government is limited to having $700 billion outstanding at any time. By selling the mortgage backed assets it acquires -- even at staggering losses -- the government will be able to buy even more resulting is a virtually limitless financial exposure on the part of taxpayers.) Any proposal must protect middle income and working families from bearing the burden of this bailout.

I have proposed a four part plan to accomplish that goal which includes a five-year, 10% surtax on the income of individuals above $500,000 a year, and $1 million a year for couples; a requirement that the price the government pays for any mortgage assets are discounted appropriately so that government can recover the amount it paid for them; and, finally, the government should receive equity in the companies it bails out so that when the stock of these companies rises after the bailout, taxpayers also have the opportunity to share in the resulting windfall. Taken together, these measures would provide the best guarantee that at the end of five years, the government will have gotten back the money it put out.

Second, in addition to protecting the average American from being saddled with the cost, any serious proposal has to include reforms so that we end the type of behavior that led to this crisis in the first place. Much of this activity can be traced to specific legislation that broke down regulatory safety walls in the financial sector and allowed banks and others to engage in new types of risky transactions that are at the heart of this crisis. That deregulation needs to be repealed. Wall Street has shown it cannot be trusted to police itself. We need to reinstate a strong regulatory system that protects our economy.

Third, we need to address the needs of working families in this country who are today facing very difficult times. If we can bail out Wall Street, we need to respond with equal vigor to their plight. That means, for example, creating millions of jobs through major investments in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and creating a new renewable energy system. We must also make certain that the most vulnerable Americans don’t freeze in the winter or die because they lack access to primary health care.

Finally, we need to protect ourselves from being at the mercy of giant companies that are "too big to fail," that is, companies who are so large that their failure would cause systemic harm to the economy. We need to assess which companies fall into this category and insist they are broken up. Otherwise, the American taxpayer will continue to be on the financial hook for the risky behavior, the mismanagement, and even the illegal conduct of these companies' executives.
~more~
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=303317



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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:30 AM
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19. Free education all the way to a PhD?
You obviously don't understand how graduate school works.
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