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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 03:23 AM
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When They Mailed the "Obsession DVDs", It Became Fascism
We have been on the verge of it for a while, but the forces that have been flirting with fascism went too far when they inserted a DVD called "Obsession" in the daily newspapers of people in presidential battleground states last week. Up until now, if people wanted to avert their eyes from the hate speech and the fear mongering, they could go about their lives thinking about their families, the economy, the environment, spiritual issues---the kinds of things that ordinary Americans focus on day to day.

But then ideological forces allied with the Republicans and the John McCain campaign decided that they would intrude upon the lives of these average Americans. They would give them a shock to their system---whether they wanted to have another stress added to their lives or not.

It came in the form of a "free" DVD with the deliberately provocative title "Obsession". "Obsession"? What's that? Calvin Klein fragrance? A porno? The producer had taken no chances. He was determined that everyone would view this unofficial campaign advertisement for the party that made "9/11" an official part of their platform at this year's convention.

And so people who might not have been prepared for raw violence and fear mongering and guilt---"Have you done enough to keep your children safe?"---were exposed to something much worse than ordinary pornography. They were exposed to fascist propaganda designed to make them surrender their will to the insidious voice of authority which promises Give up your rights, march in time to my drummers, lower your expectations and I will let you keep your kids. One of them, at least. You might have to give up the other to the war machine.


I. This is What Fascism Looks Like

Just under a year ago, I wrote a journal called When Does It Become Fascism? about people like Lou Dobbs, Bill Frist and the GOP's attempts to incite fear of and violence against Latino immigrants. Their goal was the same as that of the KKK in the U.S. back in the 1920s and Hitler in Germany—the creation of a fascist state.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2371537

“Blame the immigrant” has been largely unsuccessful with mainstream voters this election cycle, perhaps because so many of us recall our own immigrant heritage with pride.

However, we have now witnessed something that should shock all Americans. Ideological allies of the John McCain campaign have incited an act of violence against helpless children, who were singled out because they were sleeping in a nursery at a mosque where their parents were observing Ramadan.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/muslim-children-gassed-at_b_130076.html

"She told me that the gas was sprayed into the room where the babies and children were being kept while their mothers prayed together their Ramadan prayers. Panicked mothers ran for their babies, crying for their children so they could flee from the gas that was burning their eyes and throats and lungs. She grabbed her youngest in her arms and grabbed the hand of her other daughter, moving with the others to exit the building and the irritating substance there.
snip
"This didn't happen in some far away place -- but right here in Dayton, and to my friends. Many of the Iraqi refugees were praying together at the Mosque Friday evening. People that I know and love.
snip
"She tells me that her daughters slept with her last night, the little one in her arms and sobbing throughout the night. She tells me she is afraid, and will never return to the mosque, and I wonder what kind of country is this where people have to fear attending their place of worship?"

"The children come into the room, and tell me they want to leave America and return to Syria, where they had fled to from Iraq. They say they like me, ... , and other American friends -- but they are too afraid and want to leave. Should a 6 and 7 year old even have to contemplate the safety of their living situation?”


Bush claimed he went to war in Iraq to liberate the people from Saddam and give them Democracy. A pitiful number have been allowed into this country as refugees after intense screening. And now, these people who were promised a share of our freedom have experienced their own Kristallnacht ("Night of Broken Glass"). Though I still have not purchased a crystal ball, I can predict that within 48 hours, McCain supporters, Republicans and fascist conspirators will claim that the Muslims gassed their own babies, the way that Hitler’s Nazis blamed the German Jews for the violence which was perpetrated against them on Kristallnacht. How can I say this? Because fascists have no shame. They will always seek to portray their victims as the threat. That is why we must be very clear here. The threat to our democratic way of life comes from those who seek to make us fear each other. The threat comes from those who try to make us act in an inhumane manner towards our fellow human beings.

No sane, rational person gasses a sleeping child, no matter what that baby's religion. Only deeply malevolent social and political forces could warp people to persuade them to carry out sick and twisted acts like those.

Deeply malevolent political forces mailed out a bunch of DVD’s called “Obsession”, previews of a longer DVD designed to jump start America’s waning fear of another Al Qaeda attack before the November election.

What is the “Obsession” DVD? You can watch some of it here on YouTube. It is violence porn. After a brief disclaimer that the film makers are not talking about all Muslims ( the Saudis Royals are our friends), it launches into the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center followed by a running series of disturbing images of mostly white people mostly women, children and the elderly with bleeding wounds being carried on stretchers, while a world map documents a creeping menace inching around the globe (straight out of old Cold War anti-communist propaganda films), with voices proclaiming things like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=vypKSWHlnKA

“When I saw the second plane hit, I knew jihad had come to America.”

“Reaching out to every corner of the world”

“DEATH TO AMERICA”

“It is part of a campaign to bring down Christianity and Judaism and all other forms of Islam.”

“No respect for human life.”


And the music! Propaganda owes at least half of its effect to the background music. The soundtrack in this so called documentary should be a clear give away that the creators are not trying to forge a rational argument. They keep looping the same dissonant fragment with a jarring, rapid, syncopated beat that is exactly the type of theme music you would give the hero of a suspense movie as he races the clock to defuse a bomb. Someone should take “Obsession” strip the music and then show it to audiences. They would yawn.

If you feel like you need a dose of sanity after watching it, here is a video of a news clip about a Muslim American father’s reaction to finding the Clarion Fund’s mailer of the “Obsession” DVD in his newspaper. Note his concern that his children have now been placed at risk of violent attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB-U4ELbCsE

Inciting people to attack other people is always shameful. For John McCain to allow them to do it because he is so desperate to win this election at all costs tells us just how devoid of character he is.

And make no mistake. This is a tactical political move. These DVDs have not been mailed to the states with the most Muslims, which is what you would expect if the Clarion Fund was trying to alert the nation to an enemy among our midst. They have been mailed to battleground states in the upcoming presidential election. That means that the Clarion Fund, a non profit group prohibited by law from engaging in partisan political activity, is trying to influence the election.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/obsession_dvd_distributors_wer.php

II. Fascism Defined

For those who may have forgotten, here is a quick reminder. I find this definition by Robert O. Paxton from the book Anatomy of Fascism to be useful

"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion"


Key characteristics:
1.“At bottom is a passionate nationalism
2.“a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of any traditional solutions”
3.“the belief that one's group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action, without legal or moral limits, against its enemies, both internal and external
4.dread of the group's decline under the corrosive effects of individualistic liberalism, class conflict, and alien influences
5.“the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary”

Based upon this definition, “Obsession” is classic fascist propaganda. As I described, the music and the graphic showing the spread of “Islamic terror” across the globe creates the sense of overwhelming crisis. The sight of the WTC towers falling as well as the many wounded women and children identifies America as the victim. The WTC tower collapse also leads to worry about our decline. The image of the American flag being burned along with the chanted “Death to America” is designed to create a sense of nationalism and a hatred of all things alien. Being told that the imaginary threat has targeted America, its dominant religion and its way of life for extinction automatically makes the viewer react by wanting to exclude and then extinguish the threat. The images of the wounded women and children in “Obsession” were included to guarantee that viewers would have a set visceral reaction. If I do not act on this now, my family is in immediate danger.

This propaganda film was exactly the same, in its design, as German anti-Semitic propaganda used to incite mass violence against Jewish people. The creators could not help but be aware of what the effect of a mass mailing---which would go to a number of people who were not used to viewing hate propaganda and who were not emotionally prepared to see something like this---could do. They did not care. Their only goal was to drum up “terra” votes for the Republicans and John McCain.

III. “Obsession” Is Goebbels with “Radical Islam” in Place of “Jewish Menace”

If you have any doubt that “Obsession” is modeled on the very successful propaganda of the Third Reich, then read some of this.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb1.htm

“The Jews are our destruction. They started this war and direct it. They want to destroy the German Reich and our people. This plan must be blocked.” Joseph Goebbels (Compare to “Death to America!” from “Obsession”)


“The historic responsibility of world Jewry for the outbreak and widening of this war has been proven so clearly that it does not need to be talked about any further. The Jews wanted war, and now they have it.” Joseph Goebbels (Compare to “No respect for human life”)


http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/catech.htm

“The goal of the Jew is to make himself the ruler of humanity.” Nazi anti-Semitic catechism (Compare to “It is part of a campaign to bring down Christianity, Judaism and all other forms of Islam”)


http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/esser.htm

“Each Jew individually, and Jewry as a whole, is without a home. Jewry undermines every people and every state that it infiltrates. It feeds as a parasite and a culture-killing worm in the host people. It grows and grows like weeds in the state, the community and the family and infests the blood of humanity everywhere.” Herman Esser {Compare to “Reaching out to every corner of the world”)


The irony here is that the Clarion Fund claims to be run by an Israeli-American and allied with a Jewish organization. I suggest that the group reconsider their use of classic Nazi----and NeoNazi--- propaganda tools. Like the driving music and use of violent imagery which is also used in this skinhead/NeoNazi video that I found on YouTube that is used to pump up believers so that they can address the same “Radical Islamic Jihad” threat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJtj5B_HJ4

The video is called WWII Germans in Action Be sure to read the comments. Like:

Yea, daykm, i feel the same about the Muslims and we are going to have to fight them here. They are Stupid Muslim Terrorits! There are a lot of us that say, if they want a fight bring it on! But they are really cowards, No honor , no integrity, no respect or dignity. They are like a bitch dog, that will run up behind you; and nip you in the back of the leg, when you are not looking.


IV. You Will Know a Man By the Company He Keeps.

The Clarion Fund keeps company with NeoNazi skinheads who use the same propaganda styles---and images of Hitler---in their videos. John McCain keeps company with both.

It is reassuring to know that this kind of fear mongering fascism is as old as our Republic, and we have weathered it. When John Adams attempted to do what Bush-Cheney have done, take away the civil liberties contained within the Bill of Rights, things like Freedom of the Press and the Right to Free Speech by claiming the threat of "Global French Terrorism" or whatever they called it back then, Jefferson wrote:

A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to it's true principles. It is true that in the mean time we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war & long oppressions of enormous public debt. But who can say what would be the evils of a scission, and when & where they would end? Better keep together as we are, hawl off from Europe as soon as we can, & from all attachments to any portions of it. And if we feel their power just sufficiently to hoop us together, it will be the happiest situation in which we can exist. If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, & then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are the stake.

—Jefferson, Philadelphia, June 4, 1798


http://runestones.blogspot.com/2008/04/quote-of-day-thomas-jefferson-reign-of.html


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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:02 AM
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1. 4th Rec
:kick:

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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:03 AM
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2. Happy to be number 5
Important work. Thank you.
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:07 AM
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3. K&R
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:11 AM
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4. Pssst: 8/25/2008
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 04:23 AM by FlyingSquirrel
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2008/08/india-muslims-riot-over-alleged-koran-desecration.html

"Muslim will eventually evolve to the point where tear gas has no effect......"

"When (if) they do build a tolerance to tear gas, then its time to call in the most fearsome weapon against the rioting hoards, a Chihuahua with a nervous bladder."

"You do not see Christians rioting in the streets when Muslims burn and loot churches...You don't see Christians rioting and looting when Muslims forceably remove Bibles from the hands of Christians praying in their own churches..You don't see Christians kidnapping little Muslim girls for wives....

It is clear to see What Islam is and what Christianity isn't.."

"I am afraid that the only language these people understand is the most vicious, all encompassing violance of the worst kind where they all eventually reach the point where they are either afraid to say or do anything anymore, or they're all dead.

I have no hope for the former. The solution is going to end up being the latter.

As for the theoretical possibility that muslims win the world, then they will eat their own babies. They will never renounce war or violence. They can't. It's a death cult."

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If you're wondering who the first nut jobs will be to suggest that they gassed their own babies -- I'd bet on this site.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:18 AM
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5. I did a review of Obsession about two weeks ago
I sat down, and watched all 9 segments on Youtube. I outlined each "chapter" in the film, its moods, messages, and so on.

What I didn't do was look at the commentators they had for it. I commented on Walid Shoebat and Daniel Pipes, both notorious Muslim-basing bigots. But the other faces I didn't realize until I was browsing in a borders books a few days later, and saw each of their faces on, you guessed it, Muslim-bashing books (for some reason they were in the "Middle Eastern history" section rather than the "pure bullshit" section).

I tend to be a little skeptical of claims of propaganda - people see a lot of what they want to see in any bgiven book, film, art piece, whatever. But with that in mind, I have no doubt that Obsession is a propaganda film designed to incite Americans against Muslims - maybe not directly to violence, but the intent is definitely to at least keep a gulf of separation between the "us" and the "them." The combination of tense, dramatic music, repeating images of violence and destruction, and a panel made 100% of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab commentators gives it away even without the actual content.

My favorite is when it shows a scene of hajjis circling the Kaaba in Mecca and the voice overtone asks, how many of them are terrorists? Cue dramatic music!

You couldn't get any more propaganda without involvement of the Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda or Propagandaministerium
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JesterCS Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:17 AM
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6. My mother got one of these DVD's in the mail
immediately i was a bit aggrivated. My mother refuses to support Obama and she wont give a reason why. She said she is voting McSame, and still wont give a reason why.

I told her i would disown her if she did. problem with that is.. i live in her house, and have no option to go anywhere.
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BlueKansan Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:36 AM
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7. Google "Definition of Fascism"
I think what you're describing is more neofascism than fascism, though they're both pretty dire. Racism and prejudice are characteristics of fascism, but the strict definition has more to do with blind allegiance to the State.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:02 AM
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10. "the strict definition has more to do with blind allegiance to the State"
Did you miss the part where anybody who disagrees with the government is helping the terrorists?
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 12:36 PM
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11. There is always an "enemy". Race does not have to define the enemy.
Mussolini lived in Italy, almost by definition a non xenophobic country because of its ancient history of world exploration and maritime adventuring. To the Italians, it is almost inconceivable to fear a group because of their race. They did not fear people of other races. They conquered, absorbed and incorporated their strengths. So, his "enemy" was an economic one----the communists. Also non Catholics. Note that Italians never quite understood the Nazi "Obsession" with killing Jews.

Germans, being more insular, held onto more primitive habits of "fear the invaders". Xenophobia was part of their mindset, perhaps even genetically programmed to some extent, so it worked there.

Fascists are very careful to select their "enemy" based upon what people fear. In parts of Asian, where people fear individualists who do not support the system which has maintained harmony, a fascist might point fingers at lone power mad megalomaniacs who want to rule the world and set their laws over everyone else (I.e. white American Christians who arrive in war ships to force Japan to open its ports to foreign trade). The Jewish conspiracy described by the Russians and later the Nazis would not have worried them one bit and I can see why Japan never supported Germany in its efforts to exterminate Jewish groups.
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reddconsole Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:41 AM
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8. As a native of a battleground state
I recognized this as political scummery right away. It was as if they were saying, "Remember, don't vote for Obama - he's a Muslim."

Straight out of the gutter.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:43 AM
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9. I totally agree that this DVD is Hate speech, but since when are people compelled to put a DVD into
their DVD player just because they get it in the mail or in a newspaper?

The problem is partly the DVD, but it's mostly ignorant, xenophobic, racist human beings who do not know how to or care to THINK.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 12:38 PM
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12. Children who put this one on are innocent. And the name is deceptive.
"Obsession" sounds like fiction. Erotic fiction.
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likesmountains 52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 12:46 PM
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13. I blacked out my name and address and wrote return to sender on it..don't know if they
got it back or not, but it made me feel better than tossing it in the trash.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:44 PM
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17. I put deep groves in the disk with a razor blade &
am going to send it back with a scathing letter. Junk mail is one thing, hate mail is another.
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 02:06 PM
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18. Why not have a big bonfire like they did with rock and roll records ?
Everyone can bring their DVD documentary and toss it on the fire. Great fun and sets a good
example for our future generations...like they did for us.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 02:08 PM
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19. Send it back taped to a big brick
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 02:09 PM by arikara
so they have to pay the postage.


edit grammar
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:02 PM
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14. Yeah, free speech is the real problem in the USA
When people are free to publish the acts of radicals targeting and killing innocent people
the end is very near.
Why can't the authors just let the radicals operate in the shadows?

Shame on them.

Disclaimer: I know the DVD is propaganda sent out at election time to sway people.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:30 PM
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16. Free speech is never a problem
individuals may be, but not the notion that everyone is entitled to express their views without censorship.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 01:20 PM
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15. Yep this is exactly like what happened in Nazi germany
Except that it's a group of individuals doing this now, rather than the state. And it's entirely voluntary to even listen to their message. And there is absolutely no legal repercussion for disagreeing with them. And laws aren't being created to legally strip everyone of a certain ethnic/religious group of their rights. And this hasn't even been endorsed by anyone in the government. And we are in the midst of a free election in which two radically different candidates are running against each other (presumably the loser won't be dragged out of his house in the middle of the night and shot for daring to run against the official state party).


But yeah, if you ignore every trait that defines fascism then we are definitely living in a fascist state.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:56 PM
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22. Point taken, JonQ. I think what scares most of us so badly and sets up the hyperbole is all of the
indicators that we are very near there. Not totally outfront blatant yet, but getting very close.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:53 PM
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26. It IS the State. Clarion Fund is tax exempt even though this is a political campaign. The Bush State
has sponsored this and many other acts by tax exempt groups like Churches (including Palin's Wasilla Church) which continue to tell people from the pulpit that they are going to Hell if they do not vote Republican while attacking tax exempt groups for doing things like questioning the war in Iraq in a nonpartisan way.

That is state sponsorship and that is why it is fascism and not just plain old terrorism.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:01 PM
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28. Calm down there buddy
we've had tax exempt organizations (churches included) as long as we've had taxes. This has nothing to do with the current administration. I'm sure this group and others will still be around regardless of who wins the coming election.

Trying to tie this to some sinister plot to force fascism on us is absurd.

Look at bertmans comment right above yours, he seems to be more levelheaded on this than you are. So take a deep breath, and relax. Not everything is a sinister conspiracy against you.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 03:04 PM
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20. K&R. nt
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Mugweed Donating Member (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:36 PM
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21. I got my copy in the mail
Obvious right-wing propaganda ala Fox News: They spent about 4 seconds claiming that not all who are Islamic are like this and then 59 minutes and 56 seconds showing you how they all are like this. That's fair and balanced just like Fox News...23 hours and 55 minutes of right-wing propaganda and 5 minutes of Alan Colmes saying "But.." and getting interrupted.

So it's bad when the parallels between late 1930's Germany/Hitler's rise to power and the Bush administration are pointed out, but it's OK to do it with Islam? Just try to compare Hitler and Bush...go ahead, see what happens. I'll bet death threats will ensue. Anonymously, of course. THOSE "real patriots" have no balls.

What struck me the most was this, and this is not as related to the hate mongering: I am registered as NPA (no party affiliation) here in battleground Florida, but have voted Democratic since I was 18. This year I have received massive amounts of Republic party campaign crap from both a state and federal level, but only one from the Democratic party (Obama). Of course, I have to do a little research to find out they are from the Republic party, since none of them actually want to openly admit to that anymore and won't state party affiliation on their mailers. But where the hell are the Democratic mailers to the supposed "swing vote" here in this battleground state?

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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:00 PM
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23. My 20 year old son and I got ours Friday...........
We crossed out our name/address and put "Return to sender" and stuck it in the mailbox. Please do the same!
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:41 PM
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24. Filth is too good a word to describe these people. Terrorists
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 07:44 PM by grannylib
is too good a word to describe these people. But they ARE FILTH and they ARE TERRORISTS.
No doubt about either.
*on edit* "these people" meaning the fuckers who sent the DVD, just in case anyone was confused.

Yes, lurking freepers, I am calling the WHITE GUYS terrorists. Yes, lurking freepers, acts of terrorism can be committed AGAINST Muslims.

There are no words to describe how pissed off I am about this. I talked to some Muslim coworkers today, to express my sadness, and to ask about their plans for Eid tomorrow. All of them knew what had happened. White co-workers standing nearby had NO CLUE what we were talking about. Where is the M$M on this?

Yeah, I know.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:27 PM
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25. Apparantly the financing came from extreme rightest in Israel
I hate to say it but if this is the truth now we have outside forces trying to impact US elections and these DVDs should be banned.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:55 PM
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27. Why are people in Israel using the techniques of Goebbel and the Third Reich?
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 10:11 PM by McCamy Taylor
Consider the possibility that this is actually coming from a right wing group/ NeoCon group/ the Oil Industry and they are merely using a front group in Israel in order to prevent people from pointing out the obvious use of Nazi scapegoating propaganda techniques (as in "How dare anyone accuse poor Jewish people of using the tactics of Goebbels on others? They would never---!!!")

Even if there are people who are nominally Jewish allied with this endeavor, they may be "Jewish" in the same way that Evangelical Christians are "Christian", i.e. not at all. Sarah Palin would not even recognize Jesus if he appeared before her. She would be the first to nail him to a cross for his beliefs, because her type does not believe in love, kindness, forgiveness, helping others.

In the same way, some people who claim to represent the Jewish religion are completely clueless about what their faith entails---just as many Al Qaeda terrorists pay lip service to Islam for economic and political gain.

The unfortunate thing for Israel and for people who happen to be Jewish---when right wingers like James Baker III and his oil buddies use Israel as cover to carry out their murderous Middle East polices, they make the world despise Israel and Jewish people, the same way that the Czars of Russia did. Who said "Fuck the Jews?" James Baker III. This is all part of a much larger broader agenda that still keeps Antisemitism smoldering on its back burner.

Remember, the extreme right in Israel is not about ideology. Just like is the U.S. it is about money. A handful of people own everything in Israel and they only keep power by making sure that the people of their country live in a constant state of fear, with death always at their shoulder, their daughters and son's held hostage to the greed of a few filthy rich families. If the U.S. can not afford its mega-rich, because they are so dangerous to democracy, for Israel the problem is a 1000 times worse. We should all pity the rank and file citizens of Israel who live under a brutal form of fascism----and do not even realize it, riddled through and through with PTSD, indoctrinated into dualism by their country when their faith is one of the few major nondualistic traditions in the west.
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:34 PM
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29. Obsessionwithhate.com
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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:47 AM
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30. Well written
Those of us looking from the outside have been saying this for a while though. I think it was last winter when I read the "1984" by Orwell for the 3rd or 4th time. I know the book well, and was only doing so out of boredom. Needless to say, it was infinitely more horrific this time around, because it wasn't fiction anymore.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:01 PM
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31. People seem to be really overreacting to this
sorry, but it's a minor thing. It isn't terrorism, or fascism or any other -ism. It's a group of people who got together and sent out an inflammatory piece of junk mail. Wow, I'm shaking.

Some people seem to believe that you are being forced on pain of death to watch this thing, you aren't. And that once watching it you would lose all rationality and free will and be forced to become a loyal jackbooted stormtrooper for the state, you won't.

Here's a thought, if you see something you don't like, ignore it. If someone hands you material you don't want to look at, throw it out.

Take a deep breath and maybe a handful of prozac, the evil DVD-monster won't get you.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:34 PM
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32. KICK AND RECOMMENDED ---
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:36 PM
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33. It Became Fascism long before the DVD
but great points in the post regardless
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