I'm tired of the accusations and implications of jealousy and envy on DU today.

[Naturyl]

Just because some people here who don't have much opposed the bailout, it DOES NOT automatically mean they are jealous or envious of you upper-class people and the wealth some of you are losing. Those of you making these accusations or implications need to be slapped, frankly.

I have ZERO desire for wealth and I think more than a few DUers would agree with me. Lao-Tzu said "he who knows he has enough is rich." I am not jealous of your money, so stick that where it belongs.

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[shadowknows69]

2. Thank you K+R

[rzemanfl]

3. Class warfare at DU? Who da thunk it? eom

[Virginia Dare]

9. You must be one of those arugula eating starbucks drinking elitists..n/t

[angstlessk]

4. I came to that realization when I was in my 30's...to lust after that person's

Jag, I must also lust after all the pain he has felt/given out for his entire life also..I don't envy anyone anything..I also recall thinking 'I cannot wait till the dance tomorrow tonight'...that day my father died..I never look forward to the future as I used to after that.

[htuttle]

5. At the moment, I'm feeling pretty smug about being poor all of my life

Hey, just remember -- I was poor BEFORE it was cool and everyone was doing it...

[Naturyl]

8. LOL

Nice one. :)

[norepubsin08]

21. Me too

[girl gone mad]

6. k&r

the irony is that I'll probably lose thousands at the open of the Euro. markets tonight, but I was very opposed to the bill. It was a bad deal for the country, and I know we can do better when cooler heads prevail.

[Venceremos]

7. I'm neither wealthy nor poor

and I oppose the bailout because that bill was lipstick on a pig.

[seemslikeadream]

10. Thanks K&R

[EFerrari]

11. Then what would you call blaming DUers who invest for this mess?

Hard to read it any other way -- in addition to being just plain wrong, that is.

It would be nice if we could focus on what we have in common instead of what we don't have in common.

[TBF]

12. Some of us would like to see equality prosperity for everyone, no matter

what we may or may not accrue ourselves. There is more to life than money.

[Naturyl]

13. Absolutely, and thank you. (n/t)

[intheflow]

14. Thanks for this.

I lived in a tent in Mississippi doing recovery work for free for a year after Katrina, but someone on this board today told me I don't care at all about others' misfortunes. :eyes:

Quite frankly, I never believed the hype about investing in the market to save for retirement. Anyone with a passing familiarity with the Robber Baron era and the 1929 market crash should have seen this coming a mile away--at least awoken to the possibility after the market problems in the 1990's.

K&R

[ddeclue]

16. AMEN!

[TZ]

15. Okay I'll attribute it to plain old BIGOTRY!

Hatred of the rich (or even the middle class folk like me with 401K) is such a NICE value.
Go on slap me because I would actually like you know..not to be old and peniless and all my HARD EARNED CASH is there for me when I retire.
Seriously the pute vindictiveness here is sad.

[ddeclue]

17. That's why we need to return to REAL PENSIONS...

not this hocus pocus 401K crap that we've been sold the last 20+ years.

You won't be any better off than the rest of us because your investment is just a scam - it isn't based in reality.

Doug D.

[TZ]

20. That would be nice

But it ain't gonna happen...too many companies went under BECAUSE of their pensions, unfortunately.
And I really don't have any other option for retirement in my industry--unless I do CD's and money markets and that won't get me where I need to be to retire before about 80 or so.

[Blue Diadem]

22. Or did those companies go under because their shareholders

wanted more profit?

Stories have been around for years about the minute companies would downsize, stock prices would go up. Some of the companies never even bothered to keep up the funding of their pensions but instead made their profits look good to keep shareholders happy.

It was a great way to push through 401k's. That way people would begin look at increasing profit of a company to their advantage instead of realizing what that increased profit may have cost in terms of people's livelihoods.

[Naturyl]

24. Where did you get all that?

Before you call me and other DUer's bigots, you need to explain why you feel anyone here wants you to lose your 401k. I don't and I don't know of anyone who does.

[mhatrw]

28. You can always get a job teaching science in our public schools.

Look on the bright side!

[norepubsin08]

18. I don't have anything...

I had cancer for three years, was 192K in debt, couldn't own home because of that etc etc..it has set me back decades...screw the bailout ... let the fat class suffer a bit...a Great Depression changed the American psyche into being for a more socialized and caring government...we need that again!

[TBF]

19. I agree - there is much work to be done for people in this country

and funnily enough "bail out Wall Street billionaires" is not high on my list. I'm sorry to hear about your difficulties. Take care.

[alarimer]

23. What people fail to understand is that this was crap piece of legislation.

Rushed through just like the Patriot Act. It did NOTHING to reign in these robber barons or punish the rich fucks that did this to us. There was nothing about re-regulation either. These rich assholes bankers need to pay back ALL their ill-gotten gains. Some CEO gets 20 million for working 17 DAYS! He need to lose that immediately. Collect all those golden parachutes and that will take care of the problem, without one red cent having to come from us.

And most people didn't realize was that, if this bad bill passed, you can say goodbye to ANY social programs. All of them would likely be defunded in order to service the debt. You can forget environmental protection, roads, any and all government programs. Except of course for the military. Unfortunately it wouldn't have bankrupted the Pentagon and the war would still somehow be paid for.

It was a bad bill. It didn't address the problems and, even though it was improved somewhat, it still gave Treasury too much power.

[Naturyl]

25. Yes, it was a bad bill.

Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich have good bailout plans. This was not a good plan. It was a big fat handout to the rich, who don't need any more free lunches in a country where the poor are begrudged their food stamps.

[tjwash]

26. My 401k's have all dropped significantly and I am still dead set against this bailout.

I don't want to be rich. I don't even want to be a millionaire. All I want out of life is for me and my family have enough to pay our bills, eat, and not have to worry about where we are going to lay our heads at night. That's not asking too much out of life is it?

Want I have never understood is this obscene, all consuming greed that people like, for instance, the Walton family (the owners of walmart) have. I have never had the desire to amass so much fucking wealth, that I could spend 15 lifetimes in the lap of luxury and avarice and never even make a dent in it like these people do. This bailout, in its current form, does nothing but benefit them, and their cronies, and doesn't even bother throwing a bone to the people who bust their asses day in and day out for these folks.

[Naturyl]

27. Good post.

"I don't want to be rich. I don't even want to be a millionaire. All I want out of life is for me and my family have enough to pay our bills, eat, and not have to worry about where we are going to lay our heads at night. That's not asking too much out of life is it?"

Nope, not at all.

Thanks for rejecting greed. It really does make a difference.

[catnhatnh]

29. CCR....Fortunate Son...

Don't Make me post lyrics...My 401K died in a layoff in '98 and my working career in an industrial accident in '99. The marriage failed in '02 and the credit in '04. The house hangs now by a thread-I'm current on the mortgage but behind on taxes. I will be cold this winter either way...

[TBF]

30. That is not asking too much, and it would be great if everyone could have

that same sense of security. I don't think that is asking too much at all.