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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:49 PM
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Did Pelosi know the votes weren't there before she spoke?

And therefore let it rip?
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:52 PM
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1. Nancy and Boehner cut a deal: Nancy would bring 50% of Dems to the table,
and Boehner would do the same.

Boehner could not deliver.

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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:57 PM
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3. bet his wife
says that a lot too...
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:55 PM
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2. No. Pelosi delivered 60% of the Dems just as she had promised.
The Republicans said they had enough to push the bill over the top and they failed to deliver.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:58 PM
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4. She is smart enough to know that Bonerman was probably going to fall short.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:01 PM
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5. Pelosi can only get a nose count from Hoyer and Boehner.
She's the SPEAKER - she's neither the majority leader nor the minority leader.

I'm no Nancy-boy, but I think she did just fine. Boehner got the concessions (too many) and didn't deliver his caucus.

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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:01 PM
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6. I think they suckered her..
Couldn't it also be altogether possible that the Repubs knew they had no intention of being the ones to pass this bill, and fed Nancy a pile of horseshit? Told her they could get the votes knowing that there was no way it would happen.

Then she walked right into it by making that speech, and they pounced on that as their excuse.

This way they get to shriek about what a failure she is, etc, etc...

If I've learned anything in the past eight years, its that when all the Republicans start whining in the same voice all of a sudden, you can bet your ass it was planned all along.

-chef-
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:52 PM
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11. Who is left that needs convincing that she a failure???
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:03 PM
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7. She knew they weren't there. So she put her contempt for the GOP in the Congressional Record!
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:06 PM
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9. Yes, I agree...she made a preemptive strike. Good for her. n/t
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:04 PM
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8. 12 repugs "changed" their votes (nt)
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:27 PM
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10. 12 GOP went back on their words. n/t
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:20 AM
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12. Did "repugs" offend you?
Thanks for rewording what I wrote. You're so
transparent.
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