Please call Ask.com and get them to pull dangerous 'dog eating chocolate' ad!

[beac]

Cross posting here b/c I know many don't go to the 'Pets' forum (it was my first time there myself actually!)

Please call Ask.com and get them to pull dangerous 'dog eating chocolate' ad!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=243&topic_id=36411&mesg_id=36411


Please, fellow dog lovers, you can help save pets lives with a quick call (see linked OP for details).

[ProdigalJunkMail]

1. a dog eating a piece of chocolate cake

particularly a big dog like a lab...is nothing to worry about...small dogs, maybe...depends on the cocoa content...

sP

[beac]

2. That's NOT the point. The point is it makes it look like chocolate is SAFE for dogs and it isn't.

Dogs should NEVER be fed chocolate of ANY kind as each individual dog will have a unique susceptibility to chocolate. There is no way to say what would be 'safe' for any given dog. A responsible pet owner should never gamble with their dog's health by feeding them potentially toxic human foods. Period.

[DainBramaged]

56. Dark chocolate, creates problems, I hate to bust the bubble here

I fed my two babies Oreos ALL the time, one lived over 13 years, the other over 14 sooooooo, draw your own conclusions.

[beac]

60. My conclusion is that you risked your pets' health.

And you got lucky. It could have just as easily harmed one or both of them.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. I haven't been so upset...

since PBS showed stock footage of the Hindenberg explosion and encouraged people to ignite their hydrogen filled zeppelins.

[beac]

5. Either you have no pets or no soul.

And your snarky faux example is NOT relevant as Ask.com is a place that MANY people rely on for info and they are making it look like a substance that is POISON to dogs is okay to eat.

I'm curious why you would take time out of your day to be so nasty to me. Oh well, at least it kicked the OP for more to see.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Oh, so you're saying people should set fire to their hydrogen dirigibles?

Don't you know how dangerous that is?

What's wrong with you?

[beac]

10. What's wrong with YOU?

Is your life SO sad that you are hanging around this thread just to be nasty to me??

Get yourself a pet. They are REMARKABLE at turning vile jerks into actual human beings.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. So you're saying vile jerks should adopt pets?

Doesn't that encourage animal abuse?

[beac]

14. Go ahead, keep kicking my thread. You are only helping me to get the word out.

Clearly, you have nothing better to do. What a pathetic little man you are.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. OK.

I'll keep kicking so more people can see your picture of the dog eating chocolate.

:thumbsup:

[beac]

20. What's the matter? Mommy won't let you have a puppy?

So sad.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. No, I've got one as a service animal.

I need him for my chronic condition wherein my knees don't jerk enough.

[beac]

24. Thanks for the kick!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. You're welcome.

Zeppelin safety is important.

[beac]

26. Thanks for the kick!

I wonder what it is in a person that makes them click on a thread that they have no interest in and then spend all evening replying to?

Hmmmmmm... quite a puzzle, I tell you.

[no limit]

36. Hey children, take it easy.

[beac]

41. Yes, I definitely got a little hot under the collar about this.

I have only had one other 'fight' on this board EVER and that was over differing opinions about gun control and it was heated, but respectful.

But I'm still amazed and incensed that a fellow DUer would spend so much time and effort just to be sh!tty to another poster.

However, when I did a DU search on him, it appears that that is all this poster exists to do here, be nasty to others. What a sad life.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

29. OK, this is your fault

I'm sitting in a puddle. I'm not outdoors. Get the picture?

[JVS]

7. Especially because the zeppelin looked so festive and happy before the explosion

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Now I can't help but wonder....

if lit birthday candles were somehow involved.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

28. HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's funny.

Thank you.

[wildflower]

4. K&R...this is true for cats, too, isn't it?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[beac]

9. You are right.

Chocolate toxicity is one of the most common poisonings seen in veterinary clinics, for both cats and dogs.

And thanks for a REAL kick, instead of the nasty kicks-in-the-teeth that others above seem to have felt were appropriate. :pals:

[petronius]

11. I'm not seeing the problem - to me, the picture looks like the dog has gotten

somewhere he's not supposed to be, and is thinking about chowing down. The banner-style question makes it clear (IMO) that this may not be a good idea for the dog.

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Is hemlock bad for people?

Looks like this guy likes it.

[petronius]

15. That dude corrupted the youth of Athens - who the hell cares what he likes?

:)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. It is a very dangerous painting.

I do not want people running around feeding hemlock to their philosophers.

[beac]

18. Keep kicking it. I REALLY appreciate it!!

Looks like you have all night, eh?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. OK. It reminds me of the Chinese ox penis thread.

K&R

[beac]

21. Thanks for the kick.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

30. No. But Cadbury's, boy, the stories I could tell you!

My childhood friend's husband got a job at the Cadbury factory in PA when it first opened a couple of decades ago. Maybe longer. He was a supervisor. He used to put a handful of chocolate chips and nuts and dried fruit in his pocket while he walked around the factory.

He gained 40 lbs. in one year.

If you don't think that's tragic, you have no soul.

[Runcible Spoon]

42. dude, quit using my material.

I said that to you like a week ago. I remember everything.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4020838

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. Man, you're really getting screwed over.

First the OP steals your knee-jerk poorly thought out overreaction, then I steal the word "hemlock."

[Runcible Spoon]

72. my kneee jerk poorly thought out overreaction? to what?

I haven't even said anything about the OP, Boy Wonder. Yeah chocolate is bad for dogs but I'm not at the pitchfork phase yet.

Lay off the glue.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

74. Foie gras, apparently.

:shrug:

[Runcible Spoon]

76. is that what you are calling 2 girls 1 cup these days?

:scared:

[beac]

17. It's a screen capture of a video ad.

The dog is actually eating it with gusto in the video and nothing appears to be wrong with him.

Unfortunately, people are stupid and pets get fed chocolate all the time. Chocolate toxicity is one of the most common poisonings seen in veterinary clinics.

It's an irresponsible ad and could cause the wrong impression. This is something I feel passionately about. I wonder why so many who don't seem to agree feel the need to tear me down over this? If you don't think it's a problem, don't call-- but many pet owners WILL realize this is a bad ad and those are the people I was hoping to reach.

[Bluebear]

27. kick

[CC]

31. At first I thought that people would get it and not

take the ad wrong and thought it was kind of an over reaction. Then I remembered the idiot in chief and realized there really are people so stupid they would think it was ok to feed chocolate to their dogs on just seeing the ad. So called, complained and pointed out the same reasoning to them. :evilgrin: They did not think I had called earlier either.

Even with the theft in 04 there were still enough stupid people out there that did vote for the idiot to make the theft possible. Also there are still enough stupid people out there to give McSame decent poll numbers.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

32. Dangerous? You've Got To Be Kidding.

It's an ad that asks the question and points you to the actual answer, thereby actually EDUCATING people on it. And you want to rally the troops to barrage Ask.com with phonecalls? Ad seems perfectly fine. I just don't get some people's over reaction to things I guess.

[beac]

35. Did you read my original OP?

The problem is that the video shows a dog happily eating a big slice of cake, making it seem like the answer is "NO, chocolate is NOT dangerous for dogs". The video shows MISINFORMATION and could easily lead a person to think chocolate was fine for dogs and assume there's no need to click on the ad.

I have been really amazed by the number of people who've found it necessary to come in here tonight and crap all over my OP when I was merely trying to prevent some poor dog getting fed a big hunk of chocolate "because that dog on the internet liked it."

I have owned dogs my whole life and have heard WAY too many stories at the vet about idiot owners feeding their animals toxic human food. The ad is misleading and people do stupid things when it comes to their pets. WHY do so many people seem to have a problem with my pointing this out?

Right back at you---- I too don't get some people's over reaction to things I guess.



Sheesh.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. I Know You Mean Well. I Really Do.

And God bless ya for it.

But the OP is a huge over reaction. Huge.

[beac]

39. That's your opinion. I have a different one.

Still curious why you and others feel the need to tear a fellow DUer down over something you find so insignificant.

[RufusTFirefly]

40. It's a miracle. I totally agree with OMC

Uh-oh. Now Hell is going to freeze over.

[beac]

43. Do you also agree with the 'comment' he has posted on his bio?

"It's all about integrity, respect, honesty, decency, open mindedness, fairness, and genuine desire to wish good upon all."


Seems like many of you aren't living up to that ideal tonight. WHY the need to crap all over my post? Is that respectful, fair, decent, open minded? It certainly isn't wishing good upon all.



But, it's more kicks for my OP, so go ahead and vent all you want. I can take it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. Even Your Defense Is An Over Reaction.

You're being way oversensitive about the critique. No one is 'tearing you down'. Trust me, I've been the target of many a tear down and also the giver of many. This thread constitutes no such thing. So please, relax a tad. Using my bio comment as some sort of weapon against for my relatively benign comments in this thread, makes you look way over the top and shows you continue to completely over react.

[beac]

47. I'm still unclear as to why you felt the need to comment at all.

If it's SO unimportant, why bother? Or was it important that you express your feeling of superiority by telling me what an over-reactor I am?

And please read up thread if you think I have no reason to feel crapped upon. My feelings aren't particularly hurt-- I'm way tougher than that-- but I am rather mystified by why other members would expend so much bile and/or finger-wagging on something they feel is trivial.

Honestly, I was trying to reach like-minded people who understand the danger of chocolate toxicity and dogs. Instead, I got a whole lot of human toxicity. It's truly odd.

But again, I can't thank all you enough for helping to keep the thread kicked, since it did allow it to reach many in my target audience who wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. There Is No Real Target Audience.

Your target audience is maybe 3 people. All 3, along with everyone else, already knows chocolate can be toxic to dogs. All you've done is given a thread for the ages. The dog eating cake thread! Oh noes!!!

This has to be one of the strangest and off the mark complaints to an ad campaign I've seen in my history here. So yeah, I kinda felt the need to comment on that.

Tell them to pull this dangerous ad now!!!!! They show a dog about to eat cake and he looks happy!!!!! Nooooooo!!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[beac]

50. Laugh it up.

Once again, the ad is a VIDEO of the dog actually eating chocolate cake-- that it just a screen capture of the END of the ad. Chocolate = poison to dogs. PERIOD.


In the end, you are a sad and nasty man.

You have a comment in your bio that you clearly don't understand and certainly don't live by. Truly, I feel so sorry for someone like you who seems to WANT to be a decent person, but doesn't seem to know how to go about it. Utterly pathetic and sad.

[Bluebear]

52. beac, don't let these people bother you.

In the end, you have attracted three or so people who feel that the internet won't be complete if they don't comment on any thread that annoys them.

The type who just can't walk on by without throwing their two cents in, when it would be just as easy to just shut up.

[beac]

53. Thanks.

I guess it's just a sad reminder of how some so-called Democrats really don't get the 'live and let live' part.

I like snark as much as the next guy (winner of eleven DUzys, thank you very much!), but I reserve mine for the rotten scoundrels who are trying to destroy our country.



Anyway, thanks for your support. :pals:

[Gemini Cat]

55. A non dog owner may not know it's dangerous to feed a dog-

chocolate.
I've heard that on occasion children (and adults too) will slip a dog unwanted food under a table. Until I knew better I would have fed a dog my unwanted piece of chocolate cake. As it stands, thank-fully I never gave anyone's dog cake, chocolate or otherwise.

[beac]

62. Thanks, Confound W.

And you can send any unwanted chocolate my way. I love it. ;)

[Canuckistanian]

33. Why chocolate is dangerous for dogs to eat

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_chocolate_dangerous_for_dogs_to_eat

Why is Chocolate Lethal?

Chocolate contains theobromine. A naturally occurring stimulant found in the cocoa bean, theobromine increases urination and affects the central nervous system as well as heart muscle. While amounts vary by type of chocolate, it's the theobromine that is poisonous to dogs.

Symptoms of Chocolate Dog Ingestion and Poisoning

You can recognize that your dog has eaten a toxic dose of chocolate from the symptoms. Within the first few hours, the evidence includes vomiting, diarrhea or hyperactivity. As time passes and there's increased absorption of the toxic substance, you'll see an increase in the dog's heart rate, which can cause arrhythmia, restlessness, hyperactivity, muscle twitching, increased urination or excessive panting.

This can lead to hyperthermia, muscle tremors, seizures, coma and even death.

[Cronus Protagonist]

79. My dog ate milk chocolate fairly often - he loved it

Never any problems.

[Canuckistanian]

34. I thought every responsible dog owner knew about this

I've known this for decades. And so has my family.

Apparently some posters here choose to remain ignorant about the subject.

This is serious shit.

Kick.

[beac]

38. Thank you, Canuckistanian.

It's been disheartening to see some people with too much time on their hands and too much meaness in their souls decide to try and beat me down over this. Seriously, what's their point?

Maybe I'm just a big ol' softie animal-lover, but that ad IS bad news.

And there's plenty of evidence why dogs are better than most humans right here in this thread.

Anyway, thanks for the kick and your support. :pals:

[Canuckistanian]

44. I don't think they're mean

Just tragically uninformed.

Sometimes people want to make their snarky presence known without thinking of the consequences.

(and I don't mind giving you another kick if it helps!)

:hug:
:hi:

[Gemini Cat]

46. I don't like chocolate, but I like animals.

kick

[TroglodyteScholar]

49. I don't see anything that implies chocolate is healthy for dogs.

It's simply a question. What's the big deal?

If someone sees that ad, doesn't look any deeper for an answer, and then feeds their dog a chocolate cake based on that picture, maybe they shouldn't own a dog in the first place.

[beac]

51. It's a VIDEO of a dog eating the cake. What I posted is a screen capture of the end of the ad.

If you'd seen the video, maybe you would understand how it looks like it's OK to feed dogs chocolate.

And yes, stupid people really shouldn't own pets. Unfortunately, they DO-- lots of them. Since it is the dog, and not the owner who would suffer, it seemed like a reasonable thing to ask that this misleading ad be pulled.

[TroglodyteScholar]

54. I understand that it's a video.

It's not that some of us aren't understanding you--it's that some of us aren't agreeing with you. Sorry.

[beac]

63. Then we're back to my question of WHY bother posting in this thread.

All I was trying to do was alert LIKE-MINDED people to something I feel is important. If you don't agree... move on. Do you think you are performing some kind of public service by disagreeing with me? If you don't think Ask.com's ad is wrong, don't call them. Simple as that.

[TroglodyteScholar]

75. Kick

For the absurdity of this.

I post in your thread b/c disagreement is healthy, and it only takes about 30 seconds. If it took 10 minutes, I probably wouldn't bother.

[DainBramaged]

57. AHEM

http://www.talktothevet.com/ARTICLES/DOGS/chocolatetoxic.HTM

Chocolate Toxicity in Dogs


The good news is that it takes, on average, a fairly large amount of theobromine 100-150 mg/kg to cause a toxic reaction. Although there are variables to consider like the individual sensitivity, animal size and chocolate concentration.

On average,
Milk chocolate contains 44 mg of theobromine per oz.
Semisweet chocolate contains 150mg/oz.
Baker's chocolate 390mg/oz.

Using a dose of 100 mg/kg as the toxic dose it comes out roughly as:
1 ounce per 1 pound of body weight for Milk chocolate
1 ounce per 3 pounds of body weight for Semisweet chocolate
1 ounce per 9 pounds of body weight for Baker's chocolate.

So, for example, 2 oz. of Baker's chocolate can cause great risk to an 15 lb. dog. Yet, 2 oz. of Milk chocolate usually will only cause digestive problems.

[beac]

59. You should never feed chocolate to dogs. PERIOD.

Sorry if my strong stance on this offends, but that's the truth and ANY vet will tell you the same.

Each dog, like each person will have an 'individual sensitivity' to it and it's not worth risking their lives, or even just their discomfort, to feed it to them.

Ahem.

[DainBramaged]

61. See post #56 (sigh) and then look for the pictures of my dogs in my Journal

and by the way, I've been giving my dogs Oreos and Chips Ahoy for over 35 years, and they all lived long lives.

[beac]

64. Sigh right back at you.

You are one of the pet owners that I was worried about in the first place. Why would you feed your dogs something full of so many things that are bad for them? There are a hundred other things you could give them as treats. You've been lucky so far, but PLEASE don't subject further pets to that kind of toxic human food.

[DainBramaged]

66. They both crossed the bridge, one (Lab) at 13 years 7 months one (Bullie) at 14 years 4 months

How much longer do you think they would have lived?

Never mind but

THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN

[beac]

67. Again, you got lucky,

And yes, it CONCERNS me that you and others think it's OK to feed pets potentially poisonous foods for your amusement.

Please don't make the same mistake with future pets.

[Phentex]

73. Our dog's vet suggested chocolate syrup or chocolate milk

to get ours to take some very nasty medicine. I grilled him about that, and still refused to do it, but he said that amount would not harm our 100 pound mutt. This was at a pet hospital. So you can't say ANY vet will tell you that. I'm sure there are degrees of risk. And I'm with you, I wouldn't risk it.

[Azlady]

58. Thanks for the heads up

I'll Call in the morning and a friend lives where their home office is... she is going to walk in with her dog tomorrow and request the ad be pulled...

[beac]

65. Thanks!

I truly appreciate it. :)

[Enthusiast]

68. I used to share chocolate

cookies with my dog. She had no sign of ill effects. But, when "people food" was involved she was aggressive toward the kitty. She is no longer allowed to share chocolate cookies and venison burgers. Everyone is happy..................almost.

[DainBramaged]

69. M-o-d-e-r-a-t-i-o-n is the key

EVEY dog I have lived with over the last 35 years (Phineas, Rhiannon, Pogo, Zoe, Buddha, and Corey) were given Ores Chips ahoy and sometimes a Hershey kiss or two with NO ill effects. Phineas made it to 16 1/2 chowing down on bricks of cheddar cheese on occasion, so take all of this with a grain of salt.

(OH and Phineas LOVED smoking weed with us, just loved it)

[Enthusiast]

78. Amazing!

"OH and Phineas LOVED smoking weed with us, just loved it"

[kristopher]

71. I think you're over-reacting.

I think this entire chocolate thing is WAAAAAAY overdone:

If a 50-pound dog eats a teaspoonful of milk chocolate, it's not going to cause serious problems. However, if that same dog gorges himself on a two-layer chocolate cake, his stomach will feel more than upset and soon it's likely he'll be vomiting or experiencing diarrhea.

To answer the question "How much is too much" is not simple. The health and age of your dog must be considered. Obviously if your dog is aged and not in top shape, his reaction to a plate of chocolate is going to be different from a young healthy dog of the same weight.

Another fact that must be considered is this: Not all chocolate is the same. Some has a small amount of theobromine; another type has a large amount and still another contains an amount that is somewhere in between. The quantity has a relationship with the weight of your dog. Small dogs can be poisoned, it is easy to understand, from smaller amounts of theobromine than large dogs.

Which chocolate is the safest, relatively speaking? White chocolate. It has the least amount of theobromine: 1 mg per ounce. Far on the other side of the spectrum is baking chocolate, which has a huge 450 mg of theobromine per ounce!

Here are a few other chocolates for you to ponder: hot chocolate, 12 mg of theobromine per ounce; milk chocolate, 60 mg/oz; and up there near baking chocolate: semi-sweet chocolate with 260 mg/oz.

You might try using this to remember these chocolates from least to most toxic: What Happy Moose Says BAA? Or: White-Hot-Milk-Semi-Baked. If you have a better way to remember, contact us!

Knowing which chocolate is the most toxic is important, but leaves one wondering how much must be eaten to poison a dog. The list in this box should be helpful. Maybe you can clip it and post it on your refrigerator?

* White chocolate: 200 ounces per pound of body weight. It takes 250 pounds of white chocolate to cause signs of poisoning in a 20-pound dog, 125 pounds for a 10-pound dog.

* Milk chocolate: 1 ounce per pound of body weight. Approximately one pound of milk chocolate is poisonous to a 20-pound dog; one-half pound for a 10-pound dog. The average chocolate bar contains 2 to 3 ounces of milk chocolate. It would take 2-3 candy bars to poison a 10 pound dog. Semi-sweet chocolate has a similar toxic level.

* Sweet cocoa: 0.3 ounces per pound of body weight. One-third of a pound of sweet cocoa is toxic to a 20-pound dog; 1/6 pound for a 10-pound dog.

* Baking chocolate: 0.1 ounce per pound body weight. Two one-ounce squares of bakers' chocolate is toxic to a 20-pound dog; one ounce for a 10-pound dog.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_chocolate_dangerous_for_dogs_to_eat


Now seriously, if any of us ate the amount of chocolate they are indicating here, I can't help but think we'd be feeling pretty poorly also.

No wonder Dems have the image of people that want a nanny-state. Personally, I think some things in life are worth taking a risk to enjoy. In line with that, I'll continue to give my best friend an occasional chocolate treat.

[Bluebear]

77. >No wonder Dems have the image of people that want a nanny-state.< Is that so.