I hope that Biden wipes the fucking floor with Palin tomorrow.

[LeftyFingerPop]

Let Obama do all of the soft touch stuff.

I hope he exposes her, and shakes her up so badly that she starts to cry at the podium.

It is the only thing the dumb asses in this country understand.

Fuck subtlety. It won't win us the election.

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1. But I hope that he does it in such a way that can't be later called "sexist" or "unfair"

He needs to be careful, to never refer to her gender, or even to her personally. He should stick to "they" and refer to McCain and Palin in the collective. If she mangles the facts, he should quickly state the correct fact and then move on. All he has to do is state the truth of it in one sentence. It's enough to just let the contrast between the truth and her reality sit there for everyone to see. That's more effective than spending time attacking her, in my opinion. "Show, don't tell." He should never get personal, if you ask me. That would immediately be seized upon as being sexist or unfair even if it isn't. He needs to remain presidential in tone and just let the contrast between his presidentialness and her unpresidentialness be glaring.

[LeftyFingerPop]

4. Agreed. he needs to FIRMLY AND QUICKLY overwhelm her with facts...

Without getting personal. He needs to make her look like the fucking dumb shit that she is, and he needs to make her have a revelation, right there on the stage, that she is in far over her head.

[sakabatou]

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2. If he would make her cry

it would be an absolute sympathy party for the bimbo and Biden would lose big time. He needs to answer the questions and show that he DOES have the experience and let little miss bimbo hang herself.

[LeftyFingerPop]

6. By "make her cry", I don't mean be abusive or sexist...

What I mean is I want Biden to horribly defeat her with a smile, and I want her to realize before she walks off that stage that she just had her ass handed to her.

[Subdivisions]

8. WTF? Political ideology aside, I don't want a VP (or President) that's

going to bust out crying when things get tough. I want him to make her cry big ole moose tears!

[CrispyQ]

3. I don't want her to cry.

I want her to show us the mean, nasty bitch we all know is lurking under the cutesy, folksy bullshit.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

11. According to what I've heard and even what I've seen, people adore her for her

nastiness. Look at the Republic Convention? Even that comment she made about watching Joe Biden since she was in 2nd grade... She got a rousing reception to that (even though her running mate is ancient). When she was debating in Alaska, even though she didn't have the facts and statistics she needed, she was very sweet/nasty in her last debate and she went on to win the election.

We are a country full of enablers, abusers and sociopaths and they resonate to that.

[CrispyQ]

15. Sure it was well received at the repub convention - they're repubs!

The current repub party likes mean.

I think there are many true conservatives, undecided voters & people who have never voted before, who are tired of mean. We've seen what mean & divisive has gotten us the past eight years & most people don't want more of the same. I think McCain took a big hit in the prez debate because of his constant condescending tone to Obama.

I hope we are not all enablers, abusers & sociopaths because I'm really tired of mean.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. I cannot emotionally handle mean. I don't understand it. That said,

it was Palin's Mean performance at the GOP Convention that made people fall for her. Not just the Repukes at the Convention.

An no we are not all enablers etc but there certainly are a lot of them and its embarrassing and upsetting to me that we as a people have not yet evolved.

[CrispyQ]

21. I read stories like this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3521227

& I'm certain we are devolving & I have little hope it will go the other way.

:cry:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. That's sickening. Crying here too.

:hug:

[codjh9]

12. YES! I sure hope so...

[volatileblob]

5. He needs to balance fairly well. Tough but fair. And gracious...

Also expect Sarah to do better than expected. She has done well in debates before. He needs to just speak the truth fairly to her and attack McCain a lot!

[LeftyFingerPop]

7. Yes she has done well in debates...

But she has never debated the serious matters that she will tomorrow.

There is only so much a person can memorize.

[ThomWV]

9. I'm with you. I hope he eats her a new asshole.

And wipes that fucking Christian smirk off her face while he's at it.

[LeftyFingerPop]

10. And I hope he does it while flashing those pearly whites the entire time. n/t

[MzNov]

14. there is no way that he won't kick her ass!

let the gas bags scream sexist! Who freaking cares???

It's such a mismatch that he will win and win big. She can cram all she wants but her so called wonderful debating "skills" will go out the window because she's going to piss her little pants when she finally gets on stage for this one. she'll give "run-on sentence" new meaning.

:rofl:

Biden is wonderfully subtle too and that's what I love about him. I just hope he doesn't COMPLIMENT her. Gawd she's a moran.

:grr:

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16. Would be better off with a different moderator

Biden will clean her clock as sure as the sun rises in the east, but it will be blamed on Ifill's perceived partiality.

[XemaSab]

18. I think if Biden humiliates her badly enough, yeah there will be cries of sexism

but, as the primaries indicated, Americans don't really give a shit about sexism.

The people crying sexism will be apparatchiks on the far right, and they're the same people who will claim she won even if she starts babbling nonsense and the men in the white coats have to escort her off the stage.

I think Biden should beat her into the GROUND, and damn the torpedoes.

If she looks weak enough and incapable enough, that's what people will remember, not that Biden is a big mean huge bully who made a potential future leader of the free world cry.

(And remember, people don't want a bully for president, but the folks also elected Cheney as VP).

[zbdent]

19. I think Biden should start out with an opening statement of the sort:

"I was told I would be facing a pit bull of an opponent, and I heard that pit bull are very tough and vicious, so forgive me if I'm a bit tough on my opponent ..."

[ProgressiveFool]

20. part of me wants that, too, but I think she'll do fine hanging herself

I sort of think Biden should sort of ignore her there, and concentrate on McCain, and linking McCain to Bush, and thereby indirectly put her on the defensive, where she'll have to defend the disastrous policies of the Bushies, which she doesn't even really have any comprehensible understanding of. She'll do the rest herself.

It's a two-fer strategy - Biden can just talk about the issues for those to whom the issues are important (us), and his obvious command of the issues will show up her lack of knowledge, which will get her frustrated and will cause her to devolve into "sentences to nowhere", and that will demonstrate her character flaws for those to whom that is important (them and some undecideds).

Also, I think Joe's command of the issues and depth of experience is such that it can be taken somewhat for granted, and that he's free to indulge in more passion than Obama could at his debate (though having demonstrated clear command of the issues at the first debate, Obama should also be more free to indulge in passion in the next, especially re: economy). I think Biden could take a strong position arguing from the perspective of the average blue-collar American, for whom things are not easy right now, and use passionate denunciation of the Bush admin policies which put him there to make his points. Let Palin go cluelessly into the culture stuff that right now the average American could care less about, and let Biden talk about the meat-and-potatoes kitchen table stuff.

[foxfeet]

23. As long as her underwear doesn't actually fall off mid-debate

the McCain camp will claim victory.