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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:10 PM
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Ok, now that it's clear that $700 Billion isn't going to be enough
Who here wants to shovel more money Bushco's way so they can send it to Paraguay?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:13 PM
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1. Give them another $700 billion before bread lines start...
Obama will sort it out in November
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:15 PM
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2. ermm
Obama wouldn't actually become president
until January 20.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:24 PM
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4. Yeah, but he is brilliant enough to start sorting it out early.
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 10:27 PM by Oregone
If shit gets bad before then, just doll out yet another $700 billion. He will sort it out.

When the house is on fire, do you really have time to ask who started it? No, you put it out!
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:34 PM
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5. What if the the house is fine
and someone is just blowing smoke up your ass?

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:35 PM
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6. Then light it on fire and put it out. Don't you get it!
People like you are going to drive us to economic ruin.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:56 PM
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8. No I don't get it, I give it.
I have lived in "economic ruin" from birth, but those who have controlled that system that has kept the majority of this nation in the same situation as myself while living like Kings are now crying poverty.

Let me steal a microscope so I can find my violin.

Don't bother with that whole parent's retirement line, they got wiped out by Enron. If that didn't wizen you up to the fact you were gambling your future in a rigged game, sucks to be you.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:26 PM
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12. Easy there....
Hey, Im just being sarcastic...Im not ignorant. I know how fucked you all are.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:59 PM
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17. Scuze me pleze,
I'm a tad pissed at recent developments.

I've worked as hard as I can to educate my family, even alienating some to the point it may take years to reconcile.

I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

:pals:
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Slavik Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:22 PM
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11. Just Doll Out Yet Another What?
So you'll pay off the top 1% indefinitely? Guess the printing presses will be busy...welcome Weiner Germany.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:30 PM
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14. Better than economic doom and destruction!
Scared yet?
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:13 AM
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18. Scared no, PISSED OFF YES!
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:16 PM
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3. While I'm hoping for no election fraud
That still gives Bushco 2 more months to take everything that's not nailed down.

:scared:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:40 PM
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7. How is it "clear?"
Care to elaborate?
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:18 PM
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10. Already the Markets want more
And an Op-ed from a particular economist much revered here said Bailout 2.0 likely before Jan 21st.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:35 PM
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16. That doesn't make much of anything clear to me
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 12:07 AM by depakid
Economist Jame Galbraith explains how the plan actually works:

How Much Will It Cost and Will It Come Soon Enough?

Could the current bailout bill have been better? Yes. But there are still a few fixes Congress should consider.


Many are concerned with the fiscal implications of this bill, so let me turn to that question. Despite the common use of language, the capital cost of this bill does not involve "taxpayer dollars." It authorizes a financial transaction, exchanging good debt (U.S. Treasury bills and bonds) for bad debt (the "troubled assets"). Many of those troubled assets will continue to earn income for some time, perhaps a long time. The U.S. Treasury commits itself to paying the interest on the debts it issues. The net fiscal cost -- which is also the net fiscal stimulus -- of this bill is the difference between those two revenue streams.

Given the very low rate of interest presently prevailing on Treasury bills, this is likely to be somewhere between $20 billion per year and zero from the beginning, even if the Treasury were to issue all $700 billion in new debt at once. It is a mistake, in short, to count the capital cost as a "cost to the taxpayer."

This is not the war in Iraq.


http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=how_much_will_it_cost_and_will_it_come_soon_enough

(He also has several other ideas about raising revenue- one of whch, a securities transfer tax, are alreay used in Britain.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:57 PM
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9. People here
and people coming back from DC have been saying the real bailout is easily double that figure rather sooner than later.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:30 PM
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13. A billion here a Trillion there, pretty soon you're talking real money.
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 11:30 PM by Blue State Native
And before we know it we are bankrupt! oops! The BFEE has always confiscated other peoples' money. That's how they got rich. Read up on it.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:32 PM
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15. $700 billion, with a nice lard sauce of $200 billion slathered on top
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:17 AM
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19. Somewhere, they are celebrating
with a fine kiante. SLslslsllslsllslslsllsllsl.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:28 AM
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20. That's the tough thing about ransoms. It's hard to know you're not leaving any money on the table.
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