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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:44 PM
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Krugman In Wonderland - Forbes columnist
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/10/13/krugman-nobel-economics-oped-cx_wla_1013anderson.html?feed=rss_popstories

William L. Anderson 10.13.08, 4:10 PM ET

William L. Anderson is associate professor in the Department of Economics at Frostburg State University in Frostburg, Md.

Today's announcement that Paul Krugman won the Nobel Prize in economics, although not earth shattering, indicates that outright political partisanship is not a deterrent to winning. This is not as tragic a moment in western civilization as the sacking of Constantinople in 1453 or the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, but it suffices as one of those sad moments we will regret over time.

The committee that chose Krugman cited his "trade" theories that once made him famous for actually doing economics. (Krugman contends that nations can create comparative advantages by subsidizing certain industries, something the ancients once called Mercantilism.) However, Krugman has become a well-known public intellectual not because of his work on trade, but because of his twice-weekly op-ed column in The New York Times, where outright partisanship is substituted for economic analysis.

Paul Krugman is an unabashed liberal, and there is no crime in an economist having such persuasions. For that matter, many economists have a bit of that streak, too. Furthermore, many of us are in agreement that some of the economic policies of the Bush administration have been bad, if not downright disastrous.

However, the agreements end where Krugman begins to view U.S. economic history from a distorted lens, one in which all administrations run by Democrats are Good and Virtuous, and all Republican administrations are governed by Beelzebub himself. For example, Krugman has laid literally all of the recent financial meltdowns on free markets and deregulation, which he claims were the products of right-wing ideology and compliant Republican administrations.

more at link above

anyone care to critique/debunk this ?
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:46 PM
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1. after 12 years under reagan/bush and 8 years of bush II, does anyone think
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 01:47 PM by colonel odis
conservatives know diddly shit about economics?

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:47 PM
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2. I've been following Krugman for years...
the last adjective that comes to mind when describing his writing is "partisan". Krugman has called it straight, and neocons hate that level playing field.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:48 PM
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3. An unabashed liberal?? Good heavens, no!!
One should certainly be "abashed" about being a liberal! lol
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:50 PM
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4. There's always this critique
Krugman - Princeton
Anderson - Frostburg whereever the hell that might be
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:52 PM
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5. Why do they try to make being liberal a bad thing?
I never read criticism about the throughly debunked supplyside economists as being too conservative.

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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:36 PM
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18. BINGO !!!
GOOD conservative, BAD liberal.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:53 PM
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6. There's no crime in an economist having liberal persuasions
but it is a crime for an economist to have liberal persuasions.

That's the sum and substance of this tripe.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:59 PM
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7. The ranting and raving in that article changes directions
back and forth so much that only an ideologue defending their own can truly appreciate it.

Krugman may not even see the need to answer it.

Its very similar to what you will read on all the Financial Op Ed pages these days. Attempting to lay the blame of deregulation of the markets at the Democrats feet. The Democrats do share some of the blame, but it was not their mantra for the last 30 years, that is the Democratic Party was not the one driving the agenda for massive deregulation. Also a brief study would quickly reveal that efforts at regulation or re-regulation are generally Democratic Party efforts and are always opposed by those like the author and the Republican party in general.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:01 PM
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8. What an absurd oped
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 02:03 PM by nam78_two
Krugman was not awarded the Nobel prize for his NYT columns (which do not claim to be anything other than his personal views, with some insight on issues related to economics due to his background)-he was awarded the Nobel for his work in trade theory. Now most people don't have enough of a background in economic theory to critique his work there-if this person (whoever he is) does have any criticisms of his actual work, he should state them, instead of pulling this theory (apparently out of his posterior) that Krugman was awarded the Nobel because of his columns.

There is NO indication that Krugman's NYT opeds were the reason for his being awarded the Nobel. If this person has any reason to believe so he should take it up with the Nobel committee-essentially call them liars for stating that they are awarding him the Nobel for his work in trade theory, when apparently secretly they are all partisan liberals who read his columns and thought "Gee I like this guy's columns" and then awarded him the Nobel. I would hope it is still allowed for scientists, economists etc. to have political views and state them without that being an automatic disqualification in the context of high profile awards :eyes:.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:11 PM
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9. Who is William L. Anderson????
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 02:11 PM by BrklynLiberal
A speaker at...

2002 Pruit Memorial Symposium
Christianity and Economics: Integrating Faith and Learning in Economic Scholarship
Thursday, November 7 - Saturday, November 9, 2002

6F Christian Ethics and the Market Economy
William L. Anderson, Professor of Business Management, Frostburg State University, Timothy D. Terell, Professor of Economics, Wofford College: Biblical Stewardship and a Private Property Order
• Don Mathews, Associate Professor of Economics, Coastal Georgia Community College: The Catholic Perspective on Private Property and Capitalism

http://www.baylor.edu/IFL/index.php?id=29263
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Williams is a member of the Mises Institute

The Ludwig von Mises Institute (LvMI), based in Auburn, Alabama, is a libertarian academic organization engaged in research and scholarship in the fields of economics, philosophy and political economy. Its scholarship is inspired by the work of Austrian School economist Ludwig von Mises. Anarcho-capitalist thinkers such as Murray Rothbard have also had a strong influence on the Institute's work. The Institute is funded entirely through private donations.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute


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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:17 PM
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10. What is Frostburg State?
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 02:18 PM by daa
Seriously, Greg Mankiw, Bush's former economic adviser that is usually disagree with said that there was NO politics and Krugman totally deserved the award.

Bhagwaiti, who I often disagree with said Krugman was my best student.

Folks, let there be no mistake, Paul truly deserves this award and we should all be proud that Bush is finally doing what Krugman said to do about the financial crisis 3 weeks ago.

As far as Mises and the Libertarians, all they care about is legalizing pot. they are selfish and have been thoroughly discredited on economics, like that stupid fair tax. Don't believe me, go back and look at Ron Paul's record and what he really stands for, not a few worthy sound bites.

Oh yeah, did I mention, Krugman worked for Reagan?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:11 PM
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17. Frostbite University?
Is that the problem with his brain function?

:rofl:
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:19 PM
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11. I can refute that bs in two words:
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 02:37 PM by kenny blankenship
Milton Friedman.

Nobel laureate economist, vicious partisan.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:41 PM
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13. AHHHHHH. But he was for the OTHER side, so no criticism..
IOIYAR
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:31 PM
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12. Ridiculous. The Reaganomists are just upset because it turns out
that Krugman has been right all along and they have been disastrously wrong.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:00 PM
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14. Mr. Anderson exposes his own bias

This is not as tragic a moment in western civilization as the sacking of Constantinople in 1453 or the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, but it suffices as one of those sad moments we will regret over time.

First of all, he gives western civilization primacy over those barbarian Muslim Ottomans, who simply swept aside what was left of the Byzantine Empire. I wouldn't consider this event a harbinger of good things, but that's because no empire deserves any legitimacy, reverence or allegiance, whether it is western or not. This is racism on Professor Anderson's part.

Second, all the Bolsheviks did was something similar to what the Turks did. What the Russian people needed was to energize solutions to their own problems in 1917, which would not have been possible had the war continued. Lenin thus swept aside the Kerensky government, whose war policies doomed it to failure. Kerensky and other liberals and leftists had already done part of what needed to be done by ousting the Tsar from power. Removing a corrupt and brutal power by itself, however, only leaves a vacuum if it is not accompanied by a positive and energetic program for change. That Kenensky did not have and Lenin did. The Bolshevik program was imperfect and, years later under Stalin, would become a grotesque imitation of Tsarist rule. Nevertheless, it was the best choice for the Russian people in 1917. Professor Anderson appears to be little more than a rank ideologue cursing the darkness rather than lighting a candle.

Professor Anderson finally gets around to admitting that "some" the Bush administration's economic policies were "bad, if not a disastrous." OK, I love understatement, too, Professor. He accuses Professor Krugman of being an anti-Bush partisan in his attacks.

Perhaps Professor Krugman is a partisan hack, but it's difficult to prove it based on critiques of the Bush administration. The administration's policies have been disastrous. Not just some of them, but all of them taken together. It will be hard to imagine any Wall Street big shot being held accountable for the collapse of a large investment firm or any other piece of rubble in this debacle; the laws were abolished Senator Gramm and Senator McCain, then signed into law by Mr. Bush the Frat Boy (and President Reagan and President Bush the Preppy and, lest we be accused of being partisan, President Clinton). By this time, there were no laws to break, so they broke none.

A deregulated market with only a few players, all of which suffer from corporate elephantiasis, does not self-regulate; it descends into a murky hell of greed and self-aggrandizement. A rising tide lifts all boats? Not any more, it doesn't. A rising stock market did not benefit common Americans, who saw their wages stagnate, if they were still drawing any after many jobs were outsourced to China and India. However, while a souring Dow meant nothing to stiffs like you and me, we will share in the hard times to come as stock prices drop like a rock in the sea.

As a result of this, I, who eight years ago owned no stock, now have a portfolio that includes Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Bear Sterns. AIG and will soon have several large banks as well. I never dreamed I would be so rich. Why am I worried?

Professor Anderson accuses the Bush administration of being socialist because of its recent takeovers of failing private firms and turns around to accuse Professor Krugman of believing the administration is not socialist enough. The fact is that the administration's actions are, like President Hoover's before he left office in 1933, too little and too late. Krugman's argument is that they may also be misdirected, since the real danger is the freezing of the credit markets.

Perhaps the solution will be found in a new New Deal. However, the New Deal was not, as Professor Anderson would have us believe, a socialist lite program that was set in place as soon as FDR was inaugurated. President Roosevelt was no profound intellectual; in fact, he compares only slightly favorably to President Reagan in that department. The tip I give FDR over Reagan is that he was in no way, shape or form the ideologue that Reagan was. Roosevelt had his brain trust, and he let them propose ideas. He would try anything and everything until he found something that worked.

That is the approach I want President Obama to take after he assumes power. I doesn't have to be socialism, it most certainly won't be unregulated capitalism, but it just has to work.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:07 PM
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15. Poor Willie
neo-liberalism is dead and he's pissed.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:10 PM
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16. Frostburg state
I believe that's where Bullwinkle went to college.
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