3 questions re: ACORN

[dorkulon]

1. Even if a person is registered more than once, does that mean he can vote more than once? If not, then what does it matter?

2. Why on earth isn't the Obama campaign pushing back on Diebold/ES&S touchscreen fraud, which has the potential to actually change the election results?

3. Why isn't anyone making the connection to the fact that the DoJ was in hot water so recently for firing attorneys when they refused to prosecute bogus voter fraud cases against Democrats in order to sway the election? Isn't that exactly what's happening here?

[lisa58]

1. 2 answers...

1 - ACORN has to turn in all its voter registration forms whether they are valid or not and when they turn them in to the board of elections they tell them which ones are not valid and report the person who turned them in to ACORN so they can be prosecuted.

2 - I have no idea if the Obama campaign is pushing back against voting machines - I've never heard anything about it and if they aren't I have no idea why.

3. Exactly - abuse of power in the justice department over prosecuting bogus voter fraud cases is exactly what this is about.

[louis-t]

2. Only if they have multiple ID's

and are willing to stand in long lines to vote multiple times. They'd have to get past poll workers (who are very sharp and take thier jobs VERY seriously) and other citizens in line waiting to vote. Doesn't sound like much of a plan.

[lisa58]

3. Here in NJ we have to sign the book - once it's signed you couldn't vote again.

[Codeine]

4. Most states don't require ID

and poll workers are usually not that sharp -- often it's really Repuke-y retirees.

This ACORN thing sucks; the media never noticed voter fraud in the past when it stole entire elections -- why now? I wish ACORN hadn't provided an excuse.

[unpossibles]

6. You still need to sign the book

and the state also usually has a database voter roll where they check the validity of the registrant.

Again, Mickey Mouse is not going to show up to vote. The real problems the GOP has are (1) it's losing badly and (2) ACORN is a poverty-advocacy group, something they cannot stand apparently, just like they seem to hate the idea that every citizen can vote.

[Codeine]

9. What's signing got to do with it?

Seriously; say I register as "Dan Wesley" one time then as "Travis Adams" the next. I get my sample ballots, march down to my polling place in the morning and vote as Dan, sign the book and leave. Later in the afternoon I arrive as Travis, sign next to that name on the book, and vote again. Signing the book hasn't done anything to stop me. You can't make two signatures that look different? You really think there are handwriting analysts looking at the voter rolls to find similar sigs?

Now let's be real -- this shit ain't happening in the kind of numbers it would take to impact anything, you and I both know this. Real election fraud happens at a higher level, with ballot theft, machine hacking, and legal challenges. BUT, what this has done is provide the sort of excuse the Pukes need to purge voter rolls again, and hard. Better to keep it from happening in the first place.

[unpossibles]

10. my point was, if they are purging rolls of real people

I doubt the fake ones would survive either. In fact, I doubt the fake ones would get in the books in the first place. It's pretty easy these days to confirm if someone is a real person it would seem.

[Codeine]

11. That's not a bad point. nt

[louis-t]

8. No, they never noticed 'election fraud'.

They have to prove that voters actually voted more than once. People would have to stand in line multiple times to vote more than once. If the line is small, someone will notice. If the line is long, they would have to devote many hours to do this. The payoff just isn't there. This is a red herring. If any reporter has the sense to actually ask a whiny rethug about this, it will go nowhere.

[fascisthunter]

5. As Far as I Know Re: 1.... no one can vote twice

[KharmaTrain]

7. Registration Fraud Vs. Voter Fraud

The difference between ACORN and Diebold is that ACORN has no personel inside a polling station...they don't even have much say over the registration work they do (they're required by law to submit ALL their paperwork...a GOOP trap that has been snapped just for this reason) while Diebold sits right in the voting booth.

The voter registration process belongs to the county clerk or registrar...they're the ones who have to certify who votes. They double check the addresses, social security numbers and other information. ACORN "red flags" any questionable registrations, but they still have to submit them. If Jimmy Johns or Peter Principal is allowed to vote, look at whose doing the registering.

The DOJ mess became a bigger mess because pressure was put on Prosecutors like David Iglesias who were prodded to go after groups like ACORN and didn't find any legal grounds to do so. Since he didn't "play ball", he got sacked.

The ACORN flap is an orchestrated GOOP campaign at election and electoral nullification. They see their poll numbers going south and they need a distraction and cover for their own asses. Remember, this is the party someone once described that lived in a house with no mirrors since no one can take blame...thus it's easier to find a scapegoat like ACORN rather than their inept candidate and corrupt "ideology".

Lastly, ACORN is yet another GOOP dogwhistle for racism. The biggest pushers of this slime is hate radio and it fits right into their anti-immigrant and black mantras...it's the damned "unwashed" who are ruining things. This game is played against the backdrop of some very intense voter caging by the GOOP...and attacking ACORN takes the light off the many games they're trying to play.

[dorkulon]

12. What I don't get is how the MSM is missing the DoJ connection.

It wasn't very long ago that DoJ attorneys like Iglesias blew the whistle on their firings due to not prosecuting bogus voter fraud cases against Democrats. Why is no one making this connection? It's driving me nuts.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

13. Yes, it's an appeal to racism and classism

The comments on the Minneapolis Star-Tribune make that pretty clear, like the guy who wrote, "ACORN never tried to register me because I'm white and have a job." Stuff like that.