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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:37 PM
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"You’ve got to be carefully taught...To hate and fear" The Republicans are doing that right now.
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 12:10 AM by madfloridian
The words are from the musical "South Pacific". I thought about them tonight during the discussion about the yelling out of "kill him" and "terrorist" at the McCain/Palin rallies.

It is not accidental at all. It is a tactic they have used for years. It is the legacy of Lee Atwater, featured in the new film, Boogie Man.

It is the legacy of Atwater's protege, Karl Rove, and all the little Atwaters and Roves coming down the pike. They preach a message of fear and hate, and they are very open about it.

From South Pacific

You’ve got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You’ve got to be taught
From year to year,
It’s got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught.

You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff’rent shade,
You’ve got to be carefully taught.

You’ve got to be taught before it’s too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You’ve got to be carefully taught!


That site makes an interesting comment about that song. It says "early audiences didn’t care for the song You’ve Got to Be Carefully Taught, and recommended it be taken out of the show. Apparently, audiences were familiar with racial prejudices, they just didn’t like being reminded of them. Michener, Rogers and Hammerstein all agreed that to remove the song would remove the guts of the show."

The song remained.

Seattle PI had a column yesterday reminding us of how well the hate has been taught through the years. This paragraph jumped out at me.

But it is also true that Wallace indeed fomented rage and anger when he ran for president as an independent candidate in the hate-filled presidential campaign of 1968.

I covered Wallace's campaign as a young Newsday reporter and I've found myself thinking of those hateful days in 1968 when people in McCain and Palin crowds would hear calculated hate-fomenting rhetoric (such as Palin's claim that Obama was "palling around with terrorists") and would shout out "Kill him!" or "Get him!"

Remember 1968. Martin Luther King was assassinated. Then Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated. Hubert Humphrey became the Democratic nominee, running against Republican Richard Nixon and the independent, Wallace. America was rife with Vietnam War protests. Wallace spoke contemptuously of the government ("pointy-headed intellectuals") and the liberal news media. His crowds shouted angry epithets. In Cicero, Ill., outside Chicago, two young men and one young woman unfurled a small sign that said "Peace Now" -- and the crowd began shouting "Two queers and a lesbian! Get them!" -- and their sign was ripped down. Another shouted at a note-taking reporter he assumed was Jewish: "Hey Jew! You writing backwards?"


Ken at Down With Tyranny has an excellent post about seeing the new Atwater movie.

I'll bet Young Johnny McCranky lied his fool head off. Lee Atwater would have understood, and applauded

The blogger says he went to see Boogie Man as he had said he would.

I don't want to write about the film in detail without the benefit of a transcript or a DVD or a second viewing. But a couple of things popped out at me. First was the reminder of how young the "boogie man" was. His ambition was limitless, as was his willingness to do absolutely anything to win an election.

We are reminded of this forcefully by Ed Rollins, who managed Ronald Reagan's presidential reelection campaign in 1984 and afterward took the audacious step of hiring Atwater, with his bare minimum of experience, as his deputy. Rollins tells us that people warned him seriously not to hire Atwater, that he couldn't be trusted, and sure enough, Atwater almost immediately repaid the man who gave him this extraordinary opportunity by attempting to ruin him. Rollins provides a vivid description of their ensuing conversation, in which he informed the young man that if he ever did anything like that again, he would kill him. There is a strong suggestion that Rollins wasn't speaking metaphorically.

..."I've also had to replace my image of Atwater as a master strategist with one as a master innovator. Give him a set of circumstances, and he could come up with a stratagem that probably nobody else would have thought of -- or would have had the gall to actually do. Polls, apparently, were an Atwater specialty. Somebody in the film points out that if Lee needed a poll, he would just go in the next room, and half an hour later he had the poll he needed.

Related to this is the point I wanted to get to: the casual acceptance of lying in campaigns. As several commenters in the film point out, there is really only one standard in campaigns: winning. And the stakes don't get any higher than the presidential level, where Atwater found himself competing at such a remarkable age. But when it looked like he had blown the 1988 Bush campaign, he was on his way to becoming a pariah. We're told that GHWB was perilously close to firing him.


It is as though the Republican party is in a vicious cycle that they can't seem to stop...the hate and vitriol is the only way they know to try to win. They don't know how to stop it.

The arrival of Sarah Palin has caused a renewal of the ugly tactics. She seems to take pleasure in using methods that arouse anger and hate....and it appears to be carrying over to John McCain.

Maybe it won't work this time, I certainly hope it won't. If it doesn't work, it will be because our candidate has such a mellow temperament and high level of intelligence.






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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:38 PM
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1. Great stuff! Thank you! n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:38 PM
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2. It is a learned behavior. I hope it won't work too. nm
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:40 PM
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3. I actually think Mcdumbass made a big mistake tonight letting Obama adress Ayers
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 11:41 PM by prayin4rain
that is ALL HE HAD and now it is GONE. I love it of course but I think that was extremely unwise strategically for him. Obama had the chance tonight to shut down the Ayers and Acorn thing ... which he did.... for free in Primetime.. door opened by Mcdumbass. Where can Palin the inciter turn now??? This night turned out better than I could have hoped... Mcdumbass and Palin the hate inciter are out of here.

edited: to add some vowels
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:59 AM
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11. McCain looked foolish bringing it up.
Obama handled it well.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:41 PM
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4. K&R
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:42 PM
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5. No wonder they are trying to destroy public schools.
It's so much easier to teach hate to kids in christofascist McMadrasahs.




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:16 AM
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10. A dumbed down America falls for more propaganda.
If you don't teach evolution in science class, if you only teach abstinence in sex ed, if you try to control the curriculum so much...you end up dumbing down. You are right...dumbed down people fall for anything.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:42 PM
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6. Here's a YouTube video link ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:47 PM
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8. Powerful.
Thanks. :hi:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:09 AM
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12. I didn't make it, just searched for it, but it does represent the song very well. n/t
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:46 PM
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7. You have hit the nail on the head with this statement:
It is as though the Republican party is in a vicious cycle that they can't seem to stop...the hate and vitriol is the only way they know to try to win. They don't know how to stop it.

Well said...

K&R

:patriot:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:56 PM
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9. So many moderate Republicans are fed up.
A Republican uncle finally said to me that he had been wrong about this administration. He was especially condemning of Karl Rove, whom he despises.

Good honest Republicans see through these tactics.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:57 AM
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13. The Party of drooling knuckle draggers - n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:15 AM
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14. No. We are getting beyond that, but I pray the young people vote.
They don't see the color my dad sees-it's a good thing. That song is great. I hope it no longer applies.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 11:37 AM
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19. I think we are getting beyond it over all...
But the GOP is still using the strategies to divide. Atwater may have repented, but Rove has not.

But overall there is great change going on.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:22 AM
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15. Republican lies
I've said for quite a while now that the republicans for all their cunning and education at the best schools, don't get it. Todays young people with the internet and u=tube have made a sea change in the way America operates. It is getting harder to lie and cheat, because ten minutes after a candidate says anything that is inconsistent with what he or she said yesterday, someone will have it up on a blog somewhere for all the world to see. The best example of it lately was Jon Stewart's side by side pictures of McCain giving his "new" speech last Monday and his speech at the convention. It was almost too easy and the repubs should have seen this coming, but they didn't. That is why the internet is so important, and even an old timer like me sees it. AIG at a luxury hotel, up on the "tubes" the same day. Plants at a rally up the same day, they still don't get it, you can't just tell lies anymore. Hateful speech in the morning, pictures and a report at 5pm. sooner or later the MSM will get it, they too are on the hook to tell the truth. Finally the politicians are on the hook too. If they don't do the right thing, they get the hook, like in the old days of stage variety. Off the stage right if you can't perform. Therein lies the rub, the Dems are on the hook as much or more so then the repubs. we expect more of them. The new era dawns on Nov. 5 and more and more people, even conservatives see it. Conservatives are not inherently bad, it the rot in their brains which has allowed them to be in denial. I hope that the leaders of this republican party go back under the rock they crawled out from and let us live our lives in peace with each other and with nature around us Hope, Change words to live by.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:01 PM
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20. Excellent points...they don't "get it" at all.
"Plants at a rally up the same day, they still don't get it, you can't just tell lies anymore. Hateful speech in the morning, pictures and a report at 5pm. sooner or later the MSM will get it, they too are on the hook to tell the truth. Finally the politicians are on the hook too. If they don't do the right thing, they get the hook, like in the old days of stage variety. Off the stage right if you can't perform. "

They don't even know how foolish they seem.
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:34 AM
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16. Fear is the most powerful emotion that humankind experiences
No one needs to be taught how to fear.

Advertisers play on this emotion constantly; fear of inadequacy, fear of ridicule etc. Fearful people are not rational, objective or slow thinking. Their actions and driven by physically measurable chemicals that are stimulated to flow through their brains; the flight or fight response.

Cults work by playing on fear; so do emotionally abusive parents and lovers. So, it seems, does the McCain presidential campaign.

Now I wander into unknown territory. How do you calm a dog with it's tail between it's legs, it's ears back and a low, rumbling growl in it's throat? That is what you are up against and my personal opinion is that ridicule, competition, one-upmanship is definitely NOT the answer you need in America right now.

Remember, you don't reassure or calm fearful people by yelling at them.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 08:49 AM
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17. They don't want us to get past fear of each other.
The Republican strategists like Rove, that is. If they take away the fear of people with different colored skin, if they take away the wedge issues... there is nothing left they can win on.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:58 AM
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18. You Tube: Moyers On Lee Atwater's Epiphany.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4V4nb6OTG0

It appears what was started did continue through the 90s and well into the 2000's as well.

I don't have much comment on the video. I would hate to look back that way when it's time for me to go. :shrug:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:49 PM
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21. Much of this hatred and fear of the "other" is part and parcel of church dogma.
Today, one of my co-workers explained to me how her daughter's boyfriend told her that he would have to leave the country if Obama wins. When she asked the 22 year-old why, he told her it is because Obama is the anti-Christ and his election will bring on the "end of days". He further railed against Obama because he knows that he is immoral and is not a Christian. But John McCain is "a Christian who will lead the world to Christ and overcome the Muslims."

Small town, rural, hard-shell Baptist. Raised in fear of their god and anyone who doesn't believe exactly what they believe. Raised to believe that you kill your enemies who do not believe in Christ as the savior of the world. Not raised to be their brother's keeper or to turn the other cheek or to honor the commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

Ignorance and religious certainty. The most lethal combination in recorded history.


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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:53 PM
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22. nice post
I can't express how much I love the movie, South Pacific. I get you.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:11 PM
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23. Did anyone hear Stephan Forbes on Tom Hartman today?
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 09:11 PM by lib2DaBone
I thought it was an amazing interview. I never knew that Lee Attwater was at the source of the "Republican Curse" that descended on America since in the 60's. Most interesting was the expose laid out by Mr. Forbes on how it has been the Republicans main agenda since the 60's to foster "Worker Insecurity". i.e. Keep all the workers afraid and keep them in line (controlled), so as to force the workers to comply with the Republican demands. It all makes sense if you think back to Reagan and "PATCO" , the air traffic controllers followed by big steel union busting and the import of foreign workers. Hmmmmm

:think:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:22 PM
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24. OMG MF, you won't believe this!
I swear in the last 24 hours I was recalling the lines: ....Before you are 6 or 7 or 8, to hate all the people your relatives hate... Some of the reports of Rethug racism prompted my thoughts along these lines. How incredible is it I come in here and find your post with the words from that very song? Damn girl, we've been on the same wavelength 99.9% of the time for how many years now??

:toast:

Julie
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:22 PM
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25. LOL Julie....since 2003 early on..same wave length.
That's over 5 years. The words were swirling around in my mind. I kept searching on near terms, found it.

:hi:
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:34 PM
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26. MadFloridian, I think I wub U!
Who else would have quoted those WONDERFUL LYRICS?

I always have loved South Pacific. MadFlor, tell me if you too cry at certain places while watching the movie "Hawaii." *smile*
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:35 AM
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27. Heck...
I cry watching most anything now. I loved Hawaii, watched every part of it. :hi:
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