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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 12:34 PM
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Cenk: Is America Fundamentally A Liberal Country?

By Cenk Uygur

The press still doesn't get it. Even without the presidential election, we are about to have one of the most transformative elections in our lifetimes. If experts like , or , are right, the Republicans are about to lose another 20 to 34 seats in the House and at least seven seats in the Senate.

That is gigantic. It will take decades - maybe even generations - for the Republicans to recover from that. Political tsunamis like this don't come along very often - and we are about to have two, back to back. In 2006, the total tally between the House and the Senate was an astounding 36-0 seat change in favor of the Democrats.

This is an enormous story and yet hardly a peep has been heard from the press about this. In fact, quite to the contrary Newsweek just wrote a cover story on how this is . On which planet? Could you have imagined the press declaring after the 1994 Republican "revolution" that it meant nothing because this was still a fundamentally liberal country?

The problem is the Washington bubble. Inside the Washington bubble, the Republicans are always right, the Democrats are always cowed. Every issue is framed from the conservative perspective and liberals are some fringe group outside of the "mainstream of America." Wake up press, mainstream Americans are about tell you for the second election in a row that they are definitely not conservative.

You see, every member of the traditional press that just read that last sentence will rebel. "Come on, how can you say the country is not conservative? That's outrageous." Watch, I'll outrage you even more - the United States of America is a liberal country.

Compared to some Western European countries, we could be a little more liberal. But compared to the rest of the world, it's not even close. We are one of the bastions of liberalism. In fact, the United States has almost always led the world in being progressive. We created the United Nations, we rebuilt our enemies through the Marshall Plan, we pushed for human rights throughout the world, we established the idea of freedom of speech and of the press, and the list goes on and on. We are a liberal country and proud.

Now, these last two elections will show that a short-term flirtation with the conservative movement was a gigantic failure. We gave the country over to our conservatives for the last eight years - and we hated what they did with it.

That's because Americans are not fundamentally conservative. They believe that when there is a disaster like Katrina, we should help one another and it is the government's job to be there for its citizens. They believe it is the government's job to regulate the markets (which simply means to establish some fair rules by which everyone has to play) so that the free markets are not left unfettered. They believe that first strike wars in foreign lands turn out to be a bad idea. They don't like torture. They believe in a minimum wage. And they fundamentally believe in a social safety net, as established in programs like Social Security.

Since the national press has been brainwashed by the conservatives for several decades now, it will take them some time to adjust to this. But adjust they must, because the Democrats will have control over Congress for along time to come if any of these projections are accurate. I know it's really hard to get it through their heads, but James Dobson does not represent us, Nancy Pelosi does. How long and how forcefully can the American people say that before the press acknowledges it?
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NOTE: I agree with Cenk on this, and before you disagree let me give you some information (rather than just opinion) as to why.

. Again, rather than just basing this on their opinions, they gathered a bunch of great non-partisan polling data on several core issues. Here is an excerpt/summary provided from the link above...

"...The issues covered in this report include the following:

The role of government - Americans support an active government that tackles problems, provides services, and aids those in need.

The economy - Americans support increasing the minimum wage and strong unions, and believe the wealthy and corporations don't pay their fair share of taxes.

Social issues - Americans support legal abortion and embryonic stem cell research; opinions on equal rights for women and gay Americans have grown dramatically more progressive in recent years.

Security - Americans support a progressive approach to national security, emphasizing strong alliances and diplomacy over the indiscriminate use of military force. On domestic security issues, progressive approaches to crime and gun control enjoy wide support.

The environment - By enormous margins, Americans favor strong environmental protections, a core progressive belief.

Energy - Americans support energy conservation and the development of alternative fuels.

Health care - Americans clearly favor universal coverage and are more than comfortable with government solutions to the health care problem..."


PS---I would only add that since this report is from June of 2007 we can probably assume that the numbers are even *higher* now in favor of progressive stances on these core issues. And on an unrelated note, don't miss tomorrow's . You can also check out previous guests like John Cusack, Rachel Maddow and Michael Moore in the section (and keep an eye out for upcoming guests like Margaret Cho).
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 12:41 PM
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1. The Constitution reflects a liberality of thought
Underlying the foundational documents of this nation is a philosophy that is considered liberal by right-wing radicals. Remember when KO X'd out articles from the Bill of Rights to show what we've been left with thanks to the * administration?
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Azlady Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:47 PM
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9. K&R This is good!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:53 PM
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11. Our constitution was a round house right to the conservatism that
was dominant for its time. We are a liberal country when the press tells the truth. Witness this election.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 07:44 PM
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27. I like that way of putting it
:)
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 12:57 PM
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2. "All politics is local" Tip O'Neil
America is a center-right country because the majority of citizens pay little attention to politics unless it affects them personally or locally.

It's all very nice to say that Americans "favor" energy conservation, diplomacy rather than war, universal health coverage, big government, minimum wage and abortion.

It is however, a very different thing, when applying any of that costs them personally through taxes, property loss, the NIMB (not in my backyard) intrusions, or any other inconvenience.

As far as "diplomacy rather than war", an erection of a threat by some bogeyman, some flag waving and a parade of politicians and generals promising, as always, a quick and bloodless war, a few bars of teary-eyed "God Bless America" and some yellow ribbons, dispel any notion of peaceful cooperation.

People today aren't becoming "liberal". They are throwing out the conservatives because they made such a mess of everything did. And, they will throw out the "liberals" (actually, moderates), if they make a similar mess, or perceived mess when they are in power.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:21 PM
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6. But that doesn't mean that most Americans are somehow inherently conservative
A good deal of the problem you describe is a result of weak Democratic leaders and strategists who've done a terrible job of framing the issues and standing up for what they believe in.

Instead they've backed down on issue after issue (see last 8 years for a good reference). They've bought into conservative frames on taxes and just about every other critical issue and that's why they lose...or at least why they've lost in the past.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:56 PM
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13. Agreed. And also
I think Americans are Liberal if they're INFORMED. It's not a coincidence that educated people tend to be more liberal than conservative. They've experienced more social strata than your typical conserviative, and thus they are less afraid of "others".
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 02:10 PM
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14. I agree. Somewhat.
If, for instance, universal health care (aka - Socialized Medicine) becomes a fact for the average citizen, they will then become "liberal" on that issue. Just as the NHS in the UK and similar programs in Europe have now become institutionalized "liberalism".

Abortion is relatively "safe" because so many women use it.

The same with the environment. People are likely to be "liberal" if environmental programs actually are instituted and produce results at the local level. i.e. clean water, clean air, and pretty trees.

The problem, of course, being that "our" politicians will be influenced (or, bought) by the lobbyists for the corporations and powers that be.

I don't believe that most people are inherently liberal or conservative (or, for that matter socialist, fascist, communist, monarchist,or any other brand), but are more concerned about what happens to them under any form of government.

If it delivers, whatever name it goes under, is what counts.

i.e., If the invasion and occupation of Iraq had produced a "victory" and, more importantly, cheap oil, they'd probably be clamoring for a Bush third term.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 05:19 PM
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22. I would really like to see taxes reframed as investments in
our society. Ensuring that citizens are well (Soc. Sec., safety nets), fed and educated, and that infrastructure is intact as opposed to spending so damned much on wars and the war machine.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 09:20 PM
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31. Framing on taxes is a HUGE issue
Dems have been losing that argument since Reagan and it's about damn time they take it back.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:02 PM
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3. Also, the so-called analysis only considers
those who vote. If they assessed the opinions of those who don't, or can't vote, they would also see that it is a liberal country. Of course, these people would need to be educated on the issues, consequences, etc., but most people are indeed "liberal".
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:30 PM
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8. I know quite a few who would disagree with this, but I am not one of them
Edited on Thu Oct-23-08 01:33 PM by Juan_de_la_Dem
Edit note: I meant to thread to the main article/post...sorry ejbr
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:54 PM
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12. No worries. :) n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:14 PM
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4. Boomarked for later....
K&R
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:17 PM
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5. From What I Have Read of our Forefathers... it was their intent
I know the right wing loves to believe different, but they are wrong.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:22 PM
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7. K&R and bookmarked. Excellent, thanks! n/t
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:48 PM
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10. Proud to k&r.
As Colbert says, "The truth has a liberal bias."

-Laelth
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 02:42 PM
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15. I do, indeed, think that the truth has a liberal 'bias'
I wish I could agree with Cenk on this, but my non-scientific, depressing-as-hell sampling of the 'people' I know offline says that America is selfish, short-sighted, reactionary, racist, belligerent ... just utterly worthless.

Sorry. (Really sorry, because I don't want to live in the cesspool of GOP madness that I do, in fact, live in.)
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 02:49 PM
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16. You need to MOVE!
;)
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 02:53 PM
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17. Yes ... AND get a new family!
:hi:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 03:04 PM
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18. K&R
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 03:34 PM
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19. Bookmarked for after work
:hi:
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matthewf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 03:46 PM
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20. Agree, K&R
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 03:56 PM
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21. k*r Your are so on targed, so is he.
This has been the truth for decades.

The story is how race, superstition, irrational fear, false flag operations, etc. are used
to keep this majority from emerging.

Terrific.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 06:19 PM
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23. Right the F' On!
Now, these last two elections will show that a short-term flirtation with the conservative movement was a gigantic failure. We gave the country over to our conservatives for the last eight years - and we hated what they did with it.


Republicanism is without a doubt a colossal failure!

The "media" is not a reflection of reality. Funny how Matthews is all up in the Republicanista's asses... NOW! Where the fuck was he for the last seven years?

I Do Videos for Change:
Privatize Profits and Socialize Failure - REPUBLICANISM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWxTQbfsEA8


Obama the Baby Killer -or- When Morons Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1SrQiHHPAk


Barack Obama - Never In a Beauty Pageant! Can He Lead?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHGu33jtXtc


Frank Weighs in on the Biden v. Palin VP Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n754FjvGKGQ


Republicans Blame Clinton, N*ggers for Wall Street Failures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAvhWKp0N4M


It Appears Obama is a Terrorist... If You're a Moron!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CunxzR5_8FU
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 06:27 PM
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24. Thanks for the links, these are all great videos! n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 06:49 PM
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25. Democrats are winning votes by moving Right.
Edited on Thu Oct-23-08 06:54 PM by Romulox
The same people who used to espouse greed, and war, and "free trade" with authoritarian regimes...

The same people who said "we can't afford universal healthcare!" but cheered at the $2.2 trillion bailout of Wall Street...

The same people who support the War on Drugs, the for-profit prison industry...

These are the "New" Democrats that are dragging the party to the Right. It's transforming the party, all right... :puke:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 07:16 PM
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26. Oh and Jesus is a liberal too!
:evilgrin: K & R
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 07:51 PM
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28. Of Course, Cenk Is Correct
The country never "moved right". The right made the country tougher for the real people and created an internal animosity toward others.

But, nobody ever adequately defined "others". The problem is that the appearance of moving to the right has simply given voice the radical right and raised the volume.

The percentage of people who listen to and think like Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, and the rest of that troglodyte crowd has never changed. It's a few percent. It always has been and always will be.

NOBODY and i mean NOBODY wants to follow the Norquistians and dismantle the society created. It's a liberal society, based upon liberal ideas, and it's been that way for 70+ years.
The Professor
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 07:56 PM
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29. The Constitution was also written by Liberal Elites, the best educated and
Edited on Thu Oct-23-08 07:56 PM by cliffordu
some of the richest people in the colonies....


Thank God for small favors.....

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 08:01 PM
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30. K/R. Excellent!
:kick:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 09:28 PM
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32. American is definitely a liberal country
Unfortunately, we are also an ignorant and easily manipulated country.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:58 AM
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33. I 100% agree with you that this country is way more liberal leaning than MSM wants us to believe...
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 02:58 PM
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34. That doesn't mean they don't buy into and promote conservative framing of issues
The latest Newsweek cover is just the latest example.

Bowing down to Bush & Co year after year and helping sell the war is another more tragic one.
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