All you ever needed to know about same-sex marriage as explained by the black community.

[readmoreoften]

http://equalitymaryland.org/mocc/jump_broom1.pdf

And good night.

[babylonsister]

1. Post (a .pdf?) and run? Why post it. nt

[Toasterlad]

3. Try Reading It Before Jumping to Conclusions

[babylonsister]

I don't 'do' .pdfs. And I haven't jumped to any conclusion, but

asked a question. Try reading yourself.

[Toasterlad]

35. Your "Question" Would Have Been Answered By the .PDF...Which You Don't "DO"

Since you can't be bothered to read the damn thing, what possible justification could you have for questioning it?

[Buzz Clik]

7. Read the goddam pdf, sister.

[Toasterlad]

2. Proud To Be The First Rec.

This should be required reading...for EVERYONE (especially in California).

[MNDemNY]

6. Maybe more Californians should have read it before last Tuesday.

(especially the Black ones)

[readmoreoften]

12. No. Especially ALL of them.

Don't you think white/latino/asian homophobes use the meme that all gay people are rich and white to their own advantage? There are a hell of a lot of people on DU who keep asking silly questions. I bet most of them are white and I wish to god they'd read this.

[populistdriven]

42. we have no one to blame but ourselves

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6460/img5166mz3.jpg

As Progressives of all races we still have lots of work to do
to get equal rights for our GLBT brothers and sisters if our
own base, who understand much more about civil rights than
the descendants of slave owners do, came out in droves to
strip away the rights of someone else because some bigoted
preacher told them to. 

They clearly didn't see this as a civil rights issue and as
activists that is our fault. 

It is not the fault of any particular ethnic group that it
passed but it is surprising at the support it did have
among blacks because of religion. We didn't work hard enough.

Thanks for the pamphlet.  I wish we had been distributing
this at all our base polling places.

[readmoreoften]

52. No, I refuse to take the blame for the bigotry of others. The blame is always on the bigot

not the one who "failed to explain well enough."

No one ever had to explain racial equality to me. Not that there shouldn't be outreach and education, but I refuse to blame victims.

[populistdriven]

54. true but honestly i could have and should have done much more nt

[MtUpWithWngsAsEgles]

8. I second that...

[MikeE]

4. Thanks for that

Great post!

[Buzz Clik]

5. Racism lives and breathes at DU.

I was sick of this shit during the primaries, and I am sick of it now.

Yes, there is work to be done. But blaming the "black community"? Christ.

This is a good opening post, but it won't cure anything.

[Pab Sungenis]

9. You didn't read the pamphlet, did you.

This isn't criticizing the black community, it's countering the criticisms of them mounted here.

[Buzz Clik]

19. I read it cover to cover.

"This is a good opening post, but it won't cure anything." Did that phrase mean nothing to you?

[bluedawg12]

24. Pamphlet publ. by the National Black Justice Coalition

"The National Black Justice Coalition, www.nbjc.org, continues the dialogue of equality and equal justice with a historic and nationwide forum on Black Church Homophobia."

The NBJC sponsored a seminar in 2007

http://blacknews.com/pr/black_church_summit101.html

Over three hundred people from across the nation will gather to debate the issue of homosexuality and its role within the Black Church as well as provide solutions on how to create a welcoming and gay affirming church.
.........

That pamphlet originally came from the NBJC web site in pdf format. and there are other good pamphlets at NBJC.

http://nbjcoalition.org/

"The National Black Justice Coalition is excited about this historic moment, and we look forward to working with his administration on issues of importance to the LGBT community and African American communities and to ultimately bring about an end to discrimination for all Americans."

[readmoreoften]

26. Thank you.

Good stuff.

[Speck Tater]

10. Which PDF did YOU read? Racism? I didn't anything like it in there. NT

[Buzz Clik]

20. Read my post. I made no suggestion that it is racist.

[Speck Tater]

46. My apologies. I misread what you posted. My bad. NT

[readmoreoften]

11. No it won't. But it's a start. Homophobia and racism live and breathe on DU.

Who suffers most? Queer people of color.

Edited to add: they live and breathe everywhere and human equality demands that we get rid of both.

[Buzz Clik]

21. Two thumbs up to your last sentence.

I guarantee that one will not get rid of homophobia by fanning the flames of racism.

[readmoreoften]

23. Nor vice-versa. Actually, I take that back. It might work.

If you can get everyone to agree on a new enemy, there will be "unity and harmony." My guess is that the "new enemy" would be latino undocumented workers, LGBT people of all races, and arab/persian men.

[bluedawg12]

30. The pamphlet is from the The National Black Justice Coalition

And that is fanning the flames of racism?

[Buzz Clik]

37. No. Nor is that what I said.

[bluedawg12]

13. Blaming the gay community for speaking out?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hZmLBrL36NObNyMR0ghXN7vB5hYwD94ADAB80
Calif. win emboldens coalition of religious groups
......

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gayblack8-2008nov08,0,1601616.story
Gays, blacks divided on Proposition 8
For many African Americans, it's not a civil rights issue.
........

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-cannick8-2008nov08,0,5044196.story
By Jasmyne A. Cannick
November 8, 2008

Iam a perfect example of why the fight against Proposition 8, which amends the state Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, failed to win black support.
...........

[Buzz Clik]

22. I'm blaming the select members of the gay community who are taking racist stands.

Prop 8 is horrid, but it is a system-wide failure. If somebody wants to target one specific group for not defeating Prop 8, then I suggest that we blame those people who did such a shitty job in educating and mobilizing against it -- those people with the most to lose.

[readmoreoften]

25. No. Sorry. Incorrect. You can't mobilize against hate and hysteria.

Reason trumps hysteria and that's why this lost. I'm sure the YES side made a million mistakes, but in the end, they said gay people were going to make the bible illegal and convert their children and fear won out. Not to mention that some people are just supremacists and they want to feel superior to others regardless of sense or logic. Hence the "civil unions not marriage" argument that makes no sense whatsoever and itself rewrites the history of marriage in America.

[bluedawg12]

28. Prop 8 is over, but the sentiments linger about gays.

"shitty job in educating and mobilizing against it"

mobilizing against cultural values in time for Prop8?

Our opponents, the wealthy churches, didn't "educate", they simply pulled out the latent prejudices from voters.

Next, we can't go into black communities, as gays, especially as white gays, and ask for a little time on Sunday do do some speaking. We need the black community to do this. It ain't happening when everytime we say that there is a homophobia problem there- we are then called racist.

[bluedawg12]

31. Why are you bringing this crap to a thread about marriage

from a pamphlet published by The National Black Justice Coalition, that works towards an end to discrimination for all Americans.

The National Black Justice Coalition is excited about this historic moment, and we look forward to working with his administration on issues of importance to the LGBT community and African American communities and to ultimately bring about an end to discrimination for all Americans.

[Buzz Clik]

39. Do you think that the pamphlet was posted here devoid of any context?

Have you missed the hundreds of threads specifically blaming "the black community" for the success of Prop 8?

[readmoreoften]

49. Actually that wasn't my intention. It was to show that there are BLACK GAY PEOPLE

and BLACK ALLIES of ALL GAY PEOPLE who hold wisdom and answers on this issue.

[donco6]

55. Blaming tthe gays for losing? Great.

Thanks - that's helping.

[gorbal]

14. I can't read it

PDF's are awful, I wish I could read it.

I hear you saying it's insightful so I will hold back the comment that just popped into my head.

[readmoreoften]

15. I wish it wasn't a PDF. If someone can convert it, that'd be awesome. I don't know how.

[foo_bar]

17. Google's html translation:

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:-za3qVEERUUJ:www.nbjcoalition.org/jump_broom1.pdf

[readmoreoften]

18. I wish there were photos in it... :(

But thanks!

[foo_bar]

27. the formatting's a little weird but this one has images

http://24.188.234.205/jb/index.html

You have to fill out a two line survey, but you can do it yourself here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/access_onlinetools.html

[Voice for Peace]

33. Free Adobe reader

If you don't have Adobe reader on your computer, you can get it here.
http://www.google.com/search?q=free+adobe+reader&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Most new computers come with some .pdf reading programs.

It's very safe and won't complicate your computer.

[populistdriven]

43. I cant stand that bloatware, use the free foxit reader

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

[Voice for Peace]

34. Get the free adobe reader, it's a great universal program

http://www.google.com/search?q=free+adobe+reader&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[populistdriven]

44. I cant stand that bloatware, use the free foxit reader

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

[crispini]

16. Good pamphlet.

:kick:

[bluedawg12]

29. Excellent pamphlet and covers the questions

that come up 1,000 times, or so it seems, over and over again.

The answers are well laid out.

[cwydro]

32. Good post.

K & R.

[nichomachus]

36. Boy, I wish we had something like this in CA before the vote. Excellent

[readmoreoften]

38. And to think, a simple link would've done the trick.

[nichomachus]

40. I was thinking more along the lines

of a CA-specific one and also one geared toward other ethnics groups. This is the sort of information we need to flood people with.

[Turn CO Blue]

51. Exactly what I was going to post...a beautifully done

substantive pamphlet. The quotes from community leaders are striking.

[annabanana]

41. excellent pamphlet... highly recommended. . . .n/t

[plaintiff]

45. Too bad Maryland is so far from Colliefornya

:shrug:

[kiva]

47. Excellent information.

I didn't know that Maryland had a requirement as late as 1963 that marriages ceremonies had to be performed in Christian churches to make the marriages legal--very eye-opening.

[readmoreoften]

48. Guess where we'll be returning if the fundies keep it up.

[kiva]

50. This is why I think we need to separate the legal act of

marriage completely from churches. Anyone who chooses to marry should go to the courthouse, fill out the paperwork, say whatever vows are required in front of a government representative, then celebrate however they choose--a church blessing, a party with family and friends, or just go home.

[readmoreoften]

53. That I agree with. It's sort of the opposite of the whole "civil unions for all" thing.