What do you think is most likely, if you saw a "I reget my abortion" bumper sticker?

[BlooInBloo]

Poll inspired by a GD thread here. It struck me as a "duh" that people with such bumper stickers have overwhelmingly-likely NOT had an abortion. Not that people who have abortions can't regret it - certainly that may happen. It just seems unlikely IN THE EXTREME to me that damn near anyone who's had an abortion would go out of their way to publicize it.

But I'm curious whether or not my default thought REALLY IS a "duh", or if it's just a "duh" to me.

[niyad]

1. that the person was an illiterate idiot (assuming the sign read as you posted)

[BlooInBloo]

3. I'm taking another DUers word for it - as risky as that is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=442525&mesg_id=442525

[Lint Head]

21. The American People

The American people regret George W Bush was not aborted.

[MADem]

33. Is there a subtitle to it, do you suppose?

If Maw had carried me to term, I'd be a better driver/Republican/person" perhaps?

[helderheid]

38. SNORT

:spray: :rofl:

[sanskritwarrior]

2. I voted yes

My sister had one and she has said bumpersticker....

Not that it matters but she votes liberal democrat on every issue except abortion.......She became pro life about 5 years ago. And no to answer the obvious question, she is not an evangelical, in fact she isn't christian at all, she is Hindu........

[kiahzero]

61. ... can you explain how she came to be pro-life?

I'm trying to imagine what confluence of beliefs could possibly result in a pro-life Hindu, and I can't come up with any.

[sanskritwarrior]

62. She got preggers when she was

21. She had the abortion shortly after, she got married at 25 to a nice guy. She is 36 now, at about age 31 or 32 (I don't exactly remember) she said that she had realized that the abortion she got at 21 was wrong and that she was a "murderer". We are an accepting loving family so we accepted this from here, even while we kept our own separate beliefs. In five years I have never asked for an explanation as she doesn't have to give me one. Maybe at our next family get together (we live thousands of miles apart) I'll ask her.

Honestly, I don't know why, but I saw this thread and wanted to chip in that I had seen someone with this sticker.......

[The Straight Story]

4. I want to see more 'I regret Barbara Bush not having an abortion' stickers :) (nt)

[Cabcere]

7. *snerk*

:spray: You're lucky I wasn't drinking anything when I read that, because you would've owed me a new keyboard. ;) Excellent!

[The Straight Story]

19. We need to market those :)

Cafe Press seems like a good choice....

[Cabcere]

23. Sounds like a plan!

:P (Although, living where I do, I'd probably get my car keyed/tires slashed/death threats left under the windshield wipers for having such a sticker on my car.) :eyes:

[Puregonzo1188]

5. I vote yes...I always find it offensive when freepers accuse of

antiwar vets or what not of not really being veterans or implying oh so subtly (by freeper standards) that aren't. "alleged veteran" "allegedly has a husband in Iraq." Remember what Rush said about Cindy? I thought that was work and this is the same situation, its just now not about an issue we agree with.

[lizerdbits]

6. If I had one I wouldn't be advertising it even in regret

I'd be afraid I'd get my head blown off my someone who believes all life is sacred and thought I was a murderer. Now maybe if you 'repent' they won't harm you.

I've wondered if some of them had abortions at a young age where they didn't want or couldn't handle the responsibility of a child and didn't want friends or family to know they were pregnant- years later were unable to conceive on purpose and THEN wished they'd had the baby. Just a thought.

[Colobo]

8. Why would someone have a problem with such a bumper sticker?

Free speech!

[BlooInBloo]

11. Where have I said word ONE about criminalizing such a bumper sticker?

If I haven't, then exactly what relevance is your "free speech" parrot-response?

[MADem]

30. You might want to reread the original question. You don't seem to understand the point. NT

[Madspirit]

41. Because of it's IMPLICATIONS...

It's not even subtle.
Lee

[stirlingsliver]

9. The Person Had One, But Doesn't Want Others To Be Able To.

My guess is that the person actually had an abortion, and was glad that she had the right to have one.

But she now feels that no one else should be able to have the right to choose that she once did.

[BlooInBloo]

12. Certainly that's *possible*. I'm just looking to get a feel for what folks think is *likely*.

[Deja Q]

10. Political gain vs regret over having one, haven't they noticed one other thing -

Those crackpots who like to go to abortion clinics and blow them up... now if some people are nutty enough to do that, chances are the same people would love to track down people who had abortions and tell 'em personally... for for "tell 'em" I doubt it'd always be words. If they'd explode buildings, I doubt they'd be any more kind to those who had the operation.

[Hekate]

13. What I think is really saddest: our culture doesn't have a way for women to grieve, except the fundy

Hard to put a complex thought into a subject line, isn't it?

What I mean to say is this: Women are legitimately entitled to their own feelings about a decision, whether it be sheer relief or whether it be grief and regret that they had to do it given the circumstances of their lives.

What's so very sad is that since Roe vs. Wade the fundies have made it their business to identify abortion as an act of terrible sin -- murder, even -- regardless of the circumstances, and to make sure every woman gets that message pounded into her heart.

And in reaction to that, feminists and other pro-choice people have hardened their hearts and denied that the conceptus is anything more than a clump of cells. I don't think the pro-choice camp would have come up with that stance if it hadn't been for the public and radical nature of the anti-choice campaign.

Neither side is entirely right or entirely wrong in this. As any woman knows, pregnancy is a state of mind as well as a state of body, and it has ramifications for the whole of her life: her spouse/boyfriend, her finances, her other children if any, her health, and on and on and on.

My visceral reaction to such a bumper sticker declaration is "ugh." My spiritual reaction is sadness, not just for her but for all of us.

Hekate

edited to add: If you need me to spell it out: Yes I am a pro-choice Crone. No I have not personally had an abortion. Yes I am a mother and grandmother. And Yes, it is part of my spiritual practice to understand matters affecting all women.

[Madspirit]

43. It is complicated

Thanks for your post.
Lee

[hlthe2b]

14. I'd be asking if the driver had, indeed been aborted...

what miracle allowed for them to still be driving around with us? :rofl:

IT'S A MIRACLE!!!

[BlooInBloo]

18. (snarfle) BAD wutever-your-name-is - BAD! (lolol)

[niyad]

35. ohhhhh, you are soooooo bad!!

[SemperEadem]

15. I don't see how anyone who claimed a modicum of self respect

would do something so vulgar as to put that kind of personal business on her bumper sticker.

[Colobo]

16. It's their car. Let them put on it whatever they want.

[BlooInBloo]

20. You keep saying this. WHO HAS SUGGESTED THAT THEY NOT BE ALLOWED TO?

Why do you insist on making shit up? I just don't understand.

[Colobo]

22. Ok, relax...

My point is that some people here seem to have issues with such bumper stickers, and I have to wonder why. The intentions of the person with such bumper sticker should not even be important. It's not important if the person even had an abortion or not. It's just that the person, for whatever reason, wants to put that sticker on the car, and we are in a free country and everyone can put any sort of stuff on their car if they want to.

It is a non-issue in my view, and it seems like some people do have issues with those freakin' bumper stickers. There is no reason to.

[hlthe2b]

24. Nah... I challenge you to show me any DU post suggesting that

any particular bumpersticker be outlawed. We are simply questioning the point (motives) of someone doing so..

[BlooInBloo]

26. Fine - you can say what I said in fewer words - you want a prize or something?

:rofl:

:)

[hlthe2b]

29. As a matter of fact...

yes... Show me the FINE selections, please! lol

[BlooInBloo]

32. heh-heh

[Colobo]

27. Nobody here is talking about outlawing. I know I am not.

[Madspirit]

64. I don't get it still

The OP was simply asking our opinion about a bumper sticker. The OP suggested nothing about not allowing someone to have the bumper sticker. So if no one was talking about taking away someone's freedom of speech, why do you keep posting about Freedom of Speech? That is a legitimate question.

Perhaps it's some neurological disorder? A type of aphasia? "Freedom of Speech, I ate a peach, it's a hot day at the beach." How/why else would it have even made sense to SQUAWK about freedom of speech if no one else was talking about taking that freedom from someone? Must be aphasia.
Lee

[BlooInBloo]

25. Whether or not someone is lying about something so intimate, for political purposes...

... "should not even be important"?

(shrug) Fine. Opinion noted.

But your incessant "free speech" squawking is completely inappropriate in light of the fact that NOT A SINGLE POST has suggested that there should be a law against it. That's complete fictional strawman creation on your part.

As for the rest, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

[Colobo]

28. Where have I suggested people here want to outlaw anything?

[BlooInBloo]

31. "Free speech!" Squawk! "Free speech!" Squawk!

The only possible relevance of the response "free speech" is to a call for the criminalization of said speech. Or are you not familiar with the 1st Amendment? Here, I'll help you:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


It's funny watching people try to legalistically word-parse their way out of their own fuck-ups, rather than simply acknowledge error, and move on.

[Colobo]

34. You need to chill

I expressed my opinion, you expressed yours. I said exactly what I wanted to say, no error or "fuck-up", and you responded. End of the story. We can disagree. No need to be agressive.

I extend an olive branch. Feel free to take it or not.

[SemperEadem]

37. non sequitur

ownership of the car is not the point. It's about the insincerity of using a bumper sticker about a completely personal, private and genuine event that's being discussed. I would completely accept a women saying this to me in a one on one conversation; I completely doubt the sincerity of someone who would put that on their car bumper. Not many women who've gone through such an important event would advertise that they did because of the backlash and repercussion from dolts, even though they may harbor intense regret for doing it.

[Madspirit]

44. Once again...who said anything about not allowing something. Paranoid Much. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

45. It's clear that the person is just making shit up for no good reason.

[Colobo]

51. Why the hostility?

Ok, we disagree. Fine. As I said in another post, I extend the olive branch. I'm not interested in arguing about this any longer.

[BlooInBloo]

54. Not hostile. If you wanna make shit up, that's fine - at least now I'll be aware of it in the future

EDIT: You've got a comrade in your shit-making-up - downthread. Maybe you two will get together and make beautiful little made-up-shits. :rofl:

[ContraBass Black]

55. I think it would take a lot of courage to admit something like this

Though the back of a car is indeed an odd place to do it.

[gollygee]

17. It's hard to say

I don't doubt in many cases it would be a woman who had an abortion, then found religion and did regret it. Or maybe regretted it and through that found religion. It's a choice women need to come to on their own - I knew a girl in high school whose parents "strongly encouraged" her to have an abortion. She wouldn't have made that choice on her own and might very well regret it now and she might be the sort who would have a sticker like that. But I agree that women in that position seem less than likely to want the fact that they've had an abortion written on the back of their car.

On the other hand, it could be just another anti-abortion activist trying to get attention.

[BlooInBloo]

36. 10:1 ? I'm satisfied - thanks everyone!

[Oeditpus Rex]

39. I think the owner most likely has not had an abortion

because he's a guy.

[Madspirit]

40. NOT had one. n/t

[HockeyMom]

42. My Aunt never regretted her abortion

Until the day she died when she was 84 years old. She had it back in the day when it was illegal, but she was a middle class, middle aged, faithfully married, grandmother, who didn't want any more children.

I posted her story on the Freeper site and they IMMEDIATELY banned me. I guess it goes against everything they want to believe.

[ScreamingMeemie]

46. I would say it didn't concern me enough to think about it either way.

[BlooInBloo]

49. You're welcome to your opinion, naturally, but abortion rights DO concern the rest of us...

... and the notion that the bumper sticker has NOTHING whatsoever do with abortion rights is asinine.

[ScreamingMeemie]

52. It's a bumper sticker.

Freedom of speech and all. :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

53. Not a single person has said a single word about criminalizing the bumper sticker...

... so the "free speech" response is apropos of nothing but a made-up fictional strawman.

[ScreamingMeemie]

56. Then you should have had no problem with my first post.

Correct?

[BlooInBloo]

57. Not on the "freedom of speech" squawking. My response to your 1st post reflected that.

[ScreamingMeemie]

58. I'm not squawking. You are. Hence your responses to my posts.

it's a piece of paper on the back of a car. Not worthy of much thought from me. You made it an Issue when you responded as you did to my first post. Any number of posts referring to further "squawking" will not change that.

[ScreamingMeemie]

60. and *crickets*

Of course.

[rocktivity]

47. Just because YOU regretted it doesn't mean EVERYONE ELSE might.

If you regret it THAT much, get pregnant again and concentrate on doing a better job of running your OWN life.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Jamastiene]

48. I would think too bad I don't have a bumper sticker that says

"I Don't. I'm glad you didn't multiply, you reactionary dumbass."

I wouldn't believe for a minute that anyone who regretted having an abortion would put it on a bumper sticker. People who feel guilty or regret something probably don't find any humour or practical reason to put it on a bumper sticker.

[gravity]

50. Well I know girls who had an abortion

but still believed it should be outlawed because of their fundy beliefs.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

59. Yes there are websites about that.

There are websites with stories about women who are out on picket lines in front of abortion clinics, and then suddenly when they get pregnant, all of a sudden they decide that they need an abortion, but nobody else should have one. I even read about a girl who was screaming at the doctor that he was a murderer and they told her to get off the damn operating table and put her clothes on and LEAVE.

[IChing]

63. Her parents regret they didn't have an abortion

These people that place these on their cars are
to the most part liars(they never had one)
and are trying to promote their agenda

[baldguy]

65. I have a very good freind who had an abortion when she was very young.

She now regrets having that abortion, but she still supports choice. Because every person's situation is different, and it is a PERSONAL choice.

Abortion should be legal, safe and rare. Anti-choicers want it to be none of these.

[Balbus]

66. Probably not - just a new pro-life strategy.

[Corgigal]

67. I would think it's too much personal

information being placed on a bumpersticker for all to read.

I would think it was a con.