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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:39 PM Original message |
Dean is out as health secretary, sources say. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. Take a seat, kick your feet up, and watch our party close up again. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. This might be the straw that makes |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. Oh good God. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. AHA That's a new name. The Purity Brigade |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. The road to ideological purity usually leads through a concentration camp. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. I don't believe you said that to me. Unbelievable. Lieberman remains.. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
83. What memos? n/t |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #53 |
93. And this sort of rumormongering and nonsense is what I find ridiculous. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. The article was quite specific, written by someone I respect. |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
143. Everything you say is true, however, Dean is "my guy" not Obama |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #93 |
146. Cheers to You |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
154. I think we need to address these so-called "leaks" as to what they really are. |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #93 |
200. I agree. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
115. However, in a news article (Probably written by one of the wire bureaus) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
77. Get a life. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #77 |
94. This isn't GreenUnderground, and frankly I'd expect what you describe to work the opposite way. |
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prostock69 (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #94 |
116. Agree. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
126. Yeah, me too... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #94 |
163. Oh, I think the chances are pretty good that there'll be a Green Party President one day |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #94 |
201. Ah, the "there's never going to be a third party" |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
81. Howard is NOT a progressive. I love the guy. I think he would have made |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Sigh. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #81 |
180. Obama is not a progressive either. He is a centrist Dem. That is why he is drafting Republicans. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #180 |
191. Has done so since his Harvard Law Review days. (nt) |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
97. "The straw"? Are you shitting us? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #97 |
132. If you don't know what the straw means, let me inform you. |
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Alter Ego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
106. Dear God, do you REALLY think that the 50-state strategy is kaput |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Yes, I think it is. |
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Alter Ego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. Then you're all kinds of crazy. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Yes, I frequently get called "all kinds of crazy". |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #114 |
127. Tell that to Rahm Emmanuel |
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Alter Ego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Goddamnit, Rahm is the chief of staff. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #128 |
141. "It is worth noting, however, that the 50 state strategy's biggest opponent, for years has been |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
111. It sounds like you are suggesting that there is no place for Dean in an Obama administration. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
153. it has become very apparent |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm waiting until I hear an official announcement. And even so, do we know |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. What the hell ever. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Right, let me just wield my extraordinary power and clout as a non-Democrat and |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I told you I did not know. That was not my point. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. If you have a plan in mind, I am all ears. Dean and his team deserve better. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I don't feel enough a part of things anymore to have a plan. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. No, you are definitely right. Dean and what he has wrought have been swept under the rug. But I am |
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rucognizant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
189. Maybe .......... |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. Maybe when Leahy retires Dean can make a run for Senate. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. In Obama's defense... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. You are assuming a lot with that statement. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Well, if this quote is true... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Yes, that is what I said. Chewed up and spit out. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
7. Remember when the DNC chair was about to be filled? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. The major bloggers now are affiliated with Rosenberg and the NDN |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
190. The major bloggers are rich pricks. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. Would Dean have even wanted that job? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I have no idea, that is not my point. Insiders are leaking now. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. I guess I didn't expect to see meaningful healthcare reform in the first place |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
9. I can see this turning already into total repudiation of what I am saying. |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Unfortunately, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
91. Lieberman stands with the GOP, so he can be chairman of HS. |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
144. I've read the responses down to this point. I agree with what you have said. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. I agree. It is a dangerous pre-emptive leak....meant to harm Dean. |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
148. Politics is not a contact sport like football. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #148 |
158. The FL party is in real trouble now because of "insiders" pulling rank |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #158 |
171. Politics is about winning elections |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #171 |
173. Yes, it is. |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #173 |
199. What coup? |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
11. This is sad. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. After Dean's Success, This is How He is Treated |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
85. Voters elected Obama to bring change, not to reward party insiders |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
18. Those Delusional Lying Corporatists did not win this election |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
22. Why is there no author of the article? I usually don't trust something where |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. That is your decision. The word is being sent out through Politico and the NYT |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I can't find your NY times link? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Here. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Well, I didn't see that he is out in that article |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I did NOT say that at all. Nowhere near that in that post. |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
122. Patience, grasshopper. :) |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
27. ever cross your mind that the President elect does not like Dean? nt. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
84. After Dean helped engineer large Dem majorites in Congress |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
28. If we wanted a GOP lite White House, we would have nominated Clinton. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. During the primaries, people said there was no difference between Clinton & Obama |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Well, there was, and that's why he won. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Because of who is surrounding him as he heads into the WH bubble. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #37 |
92. Why he's letting himself get streamrolled by the Clinton crowd is beyond me. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
30. I was right when I said this. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
38. My thoughts tonight....for 5 years we worked and cared. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
88. I feel the same way. |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
39. Dean is NOT a DLCer |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Hear, hear! |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
68. I am right and it makes me sick ;-( |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:18 AM Response to Reply #39 |
181. I'm waiting for Obama to appoint one person who is not DLC or Republican |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #181 |
192. Very well said |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
40. Good idea I have.. Look for those who have never stood up to Republicans.. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
41. How ungrateful! Dean turned our party around, and this is the way |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. You made my point better than I did. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. So you bought this whole story from Politico? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Yes. |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Dean has enemies but I really haven't seen it coming |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I don't know you personally, but it sounds like you probably ARE too partisan. nt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Then so am I. Color me partisan if we try to become Republicans. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. its not a bad thing, youd be great in the HoR, but there is a different temperament needed for |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Yes, not ever offending Republicans. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Dean stirs up very strong feelings with Republicans, and they dislike him quite a bit |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. So he is shut out because he stood up to them. That is just what I said. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. stop twisting my words. im not saying get someone the republicans like, i am saying |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Those are the words in the article I posted. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. yes. i know. thats what we have been talking about. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I don't give a damn if he got it. That's not the point. Good Lord... |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
118. "... he wouldn't necessarily be good at negotiating this legislation with them." |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. You got it!! It's good for Rahm to be an a**hole...bad for Dean to be partisan. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #118 |
169. That is Rahms ability, and Rahm isn't a negotiator, he is an enforcer |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:24 AM Response to Reply #169 |
183. I think that folks in the Obama campaign and Rahm are jealous of Dean. |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #183 |
193. That's it. Don't know about Obama, but I'm sure that Rahm knows he's outclassed by Dean. |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #169 |
194. Dean is both. Exhibit A ... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
182. Everything you said about Dean, rch35, is even more true of Rahm Emmanuel |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. I hear ya. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
197. 'Reasons' sound reasonable to me; |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
47. I hope Dean will not be marginalized. :( |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
57. So far, "sources" have been wrong about everything during the transition. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Actually several times the sources were said to be wrong. |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Seems to me you actually hope the "sources" are right so you can keep posting threads like this. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I am worried. Sincerely so. For the direction we go in now. Make fun... |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. You really need to move out of Florida |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
62. another.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Like your picture of "we have no base" emanuel. |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. thank you, rahmbone is cute, isn't he?..... |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
69. Gotta just LOVE that Rahm! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. BUT Lieberman is warmly embraced after all. And DUers are slamming me for griping? |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. MF, hon, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Thanks,. Bullying is what it is. Lieberman in, Dean out. Don't you love it? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
73. So now I am an ideological purist for supporting someone is not ideological at all. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
78. Jeanne Cummings wrote the Politico article. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
79. Dean out, Lieberman loved and embraced. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
80. Hubby and I have decided we are just plain stupid to have thought we mattered. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
86. Let me guess- this leak came from Clinton? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
87. i'm not sure i believe this |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Jeanne Cummings is pretty reliable. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
90. Wow, Obama staffers are even blaming him because.... |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #90 |
108. Howard Dean was great in supporting the change to the stadium. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. There is no one defending Dean, not even at DU. |
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ProfessorG (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
96. The guy would have been great! |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
98. With as tightly run a campaign as Obama ran |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Yes. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #98 |
195. I don't think the campaign was run as tightly as everyone claims. |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
99. I'm going to wait until the official announcement before I get my tizzy in an uproar |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
100. Liberalism is dead; the Corprocrats are ascendant. nt |
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Liberal Dose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
101. Right now it's all about "Sources say" or "Some people are saying"... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Sure. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
104. Why don't we just wait and see who is appointed to what rather than follow rumors? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. My point IS the talking points going out. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
110. Message to all partisan Democrats... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
112. Obama had better start bringing DFA folks into his administration or there is going to be a war.(nt) |
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chiefofclarinet (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
113. Had Dean wanted the job? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Sorry, but I am talking about these "pre-emptive" attacks on him... |
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chiefofclarinet (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Hey, get off my case! I'm trying to help you! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Thanks, then we mostly agree. |
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chiefofclarinet (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. I normally ignore Politico if I can help it |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. And what would that be? Cummings does/did write for the WP as well. |
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chiefofclarinet (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. My bad, I don't know journalists well |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #137 |
142. I agree about Politico. I have seen some real hit pieces from there. |
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99 Percent Sure (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
120. Geez, every rumor, every unnamed 'source' who drops a maybe is cause for obsessive |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. Jeanne Cummings wrote the Politico article. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
130. WTF? NO leaks from Obama's campaign, now supposedly, eveyone's talking! |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
133. Dean is not qualified for the position as the job description is written |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #133 |
139. Donna Shalala never served in Congress, either. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #139 |
151. Clinton obviously did not require Congressional experience |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:30 AM Response to Reply #133 |
184. For either HHS or Surgeon General, experience in medical service delivery |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
134. I'm sorry, but I feel Dean should be chairman until he wants to retire or we wheel him out feet- |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. He did just step down. |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #135 |
149. Dammit then, we need a new Dean NOW!! |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
136. Whoa! Why is he leaving DNC?? |
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secretoftheoldclock (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
138. Ah, who cares? Could he be Surgeon General? Do you actually have to be a surgeon? |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
140. Howard hasn't yet made any noises in either direction |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #140 |
147. They have not mentioned his name at all. It was very noticeable. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #147 |
187. I very much agree |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #187 |
196. I so much agree...DFW |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #196 |
202. You can still donate to the DNC |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
150. This blogger says it far better than I have. The "partisan" angle. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
152. Fuck bipartisanship. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
155. OK, then, what about Surgeon General? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. I agree. He needn't be named to ONE particular slot, but the Obama admin would be foolish |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
157. I do think this is odd....Obama had to be partisan to WIN the nomination, didn't he? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #157 |
177. I notice the stuff about Kerry.. and wondered what was up? He sure worked for Obama very hard. |
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antimatter98 (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
159. Obama will never do anything radically good..he's chicken. |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
160. I don't see how they would even consider anyone else. |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
161. it's politics, and politics ARE important |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Good you will get "post partisan"....no disagreement. |
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Borgnine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
164. It's up to us to make sure our party doesn't throw away Dean. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. DU is too busy saying it is okay to toss him, and urging us to fall in line. |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
166. MadF, I am a long-time fan of yours and a fellow Deaniac |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. The point is not the HHS post...it is the harmful leaks by the Obama staff. |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. I am one of the partisans myself. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. That may be my problem. Those groups are not strong here... |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #168 |
203. Dean and Gore--what a team THAT would have been |
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nickgutierrez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
170. Dean should stay right where he is. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:33 AM Response to Reply #170 |
185. The DNC Chair should be partisan. It is a party post, after all. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
172. It's Early Days |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. Agreed about Obama's professionalism. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. I Agree. And It's Most Likely Rahm, The Man We Love To Hate |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
178. Buzzflash gives Wings of Justice award. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
179. Dean would be perfect because he |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
186. I call 'Rahm' out on this one |
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vanderBeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
188. :( |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
198. We have to have someone who works well with Republicans |
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