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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:33 PM Original message |
The Big 3 have been fucking up since the 70's and some see fit to blame the unions |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. The UAW is their next target |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. The Unions should have forced Detroit to make better/more fuel efficient cars! |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 06:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
70. Amazing how the corporate news can blame the hourly laborers for management |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. The UAW Would Only Build SUVs |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Are you watching Donny D? |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
5. The Big 3's criminal executive management and boards and the UAW are both to blame....... |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Let's not leave out the American public...many bought the gas guzzlers...n/t |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Specially those GD lipstick laden Soccer Moms that need the HUMONGOUS....... |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Exactly! Many bought those vehicles and now they cry...you were part of the problem! n/t |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Those moms are none of UAW members, designers, engineers or CEOs. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Because the need is manufactured by advertisement |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. It was never a need, it was a want. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I blame advertisement for creating that want |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. I saw the entire SUV fad from the beginning |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. And the WWII Jeep was really hip where I grew up. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. They were also surplus |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. And who created the image of hip and outdoors? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Now personal attacks cute |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #44 |
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bluecollarcharlie (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 05:23 AM Response to Reply #31 |
66. Have you never heard of the off button? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Spryo Gyra! |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Nadin, you like cars. Now, why do you like cars? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. She drives a car too |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. You're not convincing me that advertising rules all. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. More personal attacks? What got into the water today? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Nadin, we have never gotten along. Never. So, there's nothing new. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. So why the personal attacks? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
74. The Japanese took 1/3 of the US market. Not with SUV's, but with cheap, |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. The Japenese labor costs are vastly less than American car companies |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. non-seq. The assertion was that "people want" big vehicles. |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Hey, those soccer moms had to protect their precious babies |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I don't like the tax write-off either. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I don't care about what you say about me, |
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dbackjon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Exactly |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. I agree with you, just like today the executives |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 05:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. Corporations Who Have Stolen Their Wealth From Their Workers |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't blame the unions for anything, but that being said |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. That is partially easy |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. I agree. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. 1500 to 2000 dollars, depending on the unit |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Exactamundo! |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Unions are all over the world, especially in car making |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. National Health Insurance would help, but the Big 3 and the UAW |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. Congress has the power |
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izzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
14. Did the unions tell them what type car to build? |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
15. Unions bear some of the responsibility with the management |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Bullshit. Unions represent workers. Management makes the decisions |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Unions make decisions too and influence the management |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 06:52 AM Response to Reply #25 |
71. UAW demands. . . The management was setting the example!! In |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
80. When the CEOs travel by commercial jet, and take home >$300K |
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bluecollarcharlie (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 05:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
67. Where do you people get this NONSENSE from????? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. This kind of predatory behavior of the big 3 towards its employees is nothing new. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
22. It's the war on the blue collar middle class ... organized labor in manufacturing. |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
26. unions were the only thing protecting us from the government and management |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
27. It is union busting at its finest. The mismanagement, millions of dollars salaries, |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
33. This time it's not just the Big 3 all of the Auto companies |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. That arguement undercuts the meme that the unions are at fault |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Ever seen the Nissan Armada or the Toyota Sequoia? Giant gas guzzlers. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #33 |
50. Stop making sense |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
47. I bought my SUV because I like having a big, gas-guzzling tank of a WEAPON |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. "Maybe tomorrow I'll go out and buy a Hummer." GM says thanks for your support! |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #55 |
73. I LOVE my GM vehicle. Thanks, Amanda. Sarcasm is the last refuge of SUV owners. |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
48. Many airline workers took 40 percent pay cuts in the last couple of years to "bail out" |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. You might find the 2007 UAW contract interesting reading. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
49. What, you mean it's not ACORN's fault? |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
58. The blame should be directed... |
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
59. A lot of people just hate to see working men and women live comfortable lives |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 03:02 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I'm a blue collar kid who ended up in a white collar career. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 03:41 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Yup. Ubetcha. I'm a retired white collar "management type" from a union family. |
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 04:47 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Walter Reuther and George Meany |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 05:02 AM Response to Original message |
63. Big Three CEOs fly private jets to Congress. THAT is why the management is the problem. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 05:13 AM Response to Original message |
64. The unions told Americans they were screwing up when they... |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
68. Huge perception problems. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
69. Anyone who is rooting for the destruction of the Big 3 & unions better get a clue |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
72. It took Detroit management almost 20 years to figure out that quality was important |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
77. It goes back even further than the seventies |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
78. lack of redundancy |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
79. Ignoring The Fact That UAW Bears Some Responsibility In This Is Wrong. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
82. workers have such control. they choose the designs and make all |
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