Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

In Minnesota, Six Inches of Confusion (Minn. Supreme Court decision)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:35 PM
Original message
In Minnesota, Six Inches of Confusion (Minn. Supreme Court decision)
Source: Five Thirty Eight

A just-issued ruling by the Minnesota Supreme Court sets the stage for a scene similar to the one at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport right now: confusion, delays, heated tempers, and the possibility for everybody on the manifest to find themselves trapped. The 3-2 ruling, issued at approximately 5:30 PM this evening, orders the following:

1. The counties are prohibited from sorting through or counting any rejected absentee ballots on their own, or under the recommendations of the state's Canvassing Board;

2. Instead, the two candidates, the Secretary of State, and the county auditors and canvassing boards should implement a process for identifying and counting wrongfully rejected absentee ballots. But -- and here's the kicker -- both of the candidates and the local elections officials must mutually agree that any given absentee ballot has been rejected in error. If such a consensus emerges about a particular ballot, it will be opened, counted, and the revised results will be forwarded to the state's Canvassing Board.

The Court further requires that this process be completed by 4 PM on December 31st. Nothing in the ruling, however, would appear to preclude either campaign from challenging the results of the election at a later date.

Read more: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/12/in-minnesota-six-inches-of-confusion.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. Wait a minute, then Coleman wins. He has been saying all along nothing was rejected in error
So all he has to do is keep saying it and the ballots aren't counted. Right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Franken doesn't need the absentee ballots to win. All Franken needs is the challenged ballots. (nt)
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 08:49 PM by w4rma
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Let's hope so
What it looks like though is that the process is going to be drug out for at least another couple of weeks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Not necessarily. After today's counting, Coleman's lead is two votes.
At least that's what I heard on the radio. No way of knowing what the distribution of remaining Coleman challenged ballots is, but it narrowed from several hundred to two votes today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. It does seem to deny due process. Might prove interesting. /nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:35 PM
Response to Original message
6. I thought Bush v. Gore set no precedent?
The problem, it seems to me, is that if the candidates apply inconsistent standards from county to county and precinct to precinct, they set up an exceptionally strong Equal Protection argument for their opponent. In Bush v Gore -- a ruling cited extensively in the Coleman campaign's petition to Minnesota's court this week, the U.S. Supreme Court held as follows:

There is no difference between the two sides of the present controversy on these basic propositions. Respondents say that the very purpose of vindicating the right to vote justifies the recount procedures now at issue. The question before us, however, is whether the recount procedures the Florida Supreme Court has adopted are consistent with its obligation to avoid arbitrary and disparate treatment of the members of its electorate.


IIRC, Bush v. Gore is the only SCOTUS decision that the SCOTUS said could not be a precedent. WestLaw even made up a special designation for it and (hypothetical) cases like it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 09:02 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC