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Wed Dec-24-08 07:34 PM
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Will Obama change is mind about the Rick Warren thing.... |
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BEFORE 01/20/2009?
If not, can he still pull off the presidency America deserves? :patriot:
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:36 PM
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why cave in to us faggots
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:23 PM
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17. do you actually believe that is how he feels? |
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Wed Dec-24-08 09:32 PM
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:37 PM
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Fight H8, and you fight Warren
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Wed Dec-24-08 09:34 PM
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28. and fight the enablers |
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like Obama and the rest of the people who tell us to shut up and sit down
no one should be giving this bigot any kind of stage
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Thu Dec-25-08 12:19 AM
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38. No circular firing squads |
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Eliminate the policy
And you eliminate the codified prejudice
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Thu Dec-25-08 02:04 AM
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39. the only people getting shot right now are the gays |
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Obama is coming out of this smelling like roses, when in fact he should be smelling like the stuff you put on roses
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Thu Dec-25-08 01:06 PM
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42. And that needs to stop |
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I'm just saying divided we fail
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:38 PM
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he's no longer campaigning and won't throw Warren under the bus.
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:40 PM
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4. What a question.................... |
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He's made a mistake, as far as I'm concerned. I'm hoping he'll learn from it, but I'm also curious to understand - maybe someday - why he chose Warren. He's a smart politician who's always been at least three steps ahead of everyone, so I'll keep my trust in Obama and see what happens.
The premise of your post - that he might already be some kind of failure - is heartbreaking. He's not even sworn in yet. He's not yet the President, and your question presupposes that you're ready to write him off.
He IS the President we deserve, and while we might not agree with everything he espouses - for instance, I think gay marriage is a fine idea, Obama doesn't - we fought long and hard for this, and one wrong move, a ceremonial one, at that, is hardly enough - in my world - to give up on hm.
He is going to be our President, and, yes, oh, yes, he is, indeed, the President we deserve. It's been a long, horrid eight years.
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Thu Dec-25-08 10:54 AM
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I called Obama a FAILURE?!?!? I meant nothing of the sort!
That's the problem with posting in GD: Always somebody to twist the OPer's words around and make the OPer look bad! :eyes:
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:43 PM
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5. Hope springs eternal... |
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but with age the idealism fades...
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:44 PM
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6. Just let it go- I'm so tired of these threads. This Warren thing |
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in no way means Obama is a secret neo con wing nut George Bush III. I almost dread logging in to DU these days
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:46 PM
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8. "This Warren thing" is a serious matter to millions of people - |
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and not only gay and lesbian people. It needs to be vented and discussed for as long as people want to, and nobody forces anybody to log onto DU
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Wed Dec-24-08 09:33 PM
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:44 PM
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7. I share your disillusionment |
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And I was crazy about Obama, gave money, canvassed - but this Warren decision is absolute bullshit.
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:50 PM
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11. IMO, it isn't just the Warren thing |
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His foreign policy is myopic and dangerous (surging in Afghanistan). That's the next huge thing we should be blogging about all over the net. Ågain, JMO.
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:56 PM
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:17 PM
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14. "His foreign policy is myopic and dangerous (surging in Afghanistan)." |
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Obama's foreign policy is the same as when he ran. You objected to it before the election?
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:39 PM
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:45 PM
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22. Did you vote for him? |
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Even though you "strongly" believe that his foreign policy is "dangerous"?
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Wed Dec-24-08 09:44 PM
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I thought would most likely bring peace - and who wouldn't escalate.
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Wed Dec-24-08 10:00 PM
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31. Clever? Was that the person whose foreign policy you thought was "dangerous"? n/t |
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Wed Dec-24-08 09:19 PM
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10 posts and no profile, but I agree, they seem all too prepared to swallow the trad.foreign policy line...still awaiting the 'change' and 'hope'
so far has been strangely retreading middle of the road weirdness.
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Wed Dec-24-08 09:46 PM
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to do a profile? I don't even know how to edit posts. :-) I'm hoping s/o will start a thread on the *surge* in Afghanistan so we can have a national discussion and get Rachel and Keith in on it.
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Wed Dec-24-08 10:19 PM
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Wed Dec-24-08 10:53 PM
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Thu Dec-25-08 02:27 AM
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40. nt means no text in the actual message so |
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when people are just reading the subject lines they don't feel compelled to open your response expecting more and then find out that there isn't anything else.
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:23 PM
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18. I agree - it changes my entire perspective on this presidency. |
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It will be great if some good things happen for the country as a whole, but for the gay community, it is obviously going to be the same old heterosupremacist crap. There aren't many of us who feel so hopeful no, and sending a marching band down Pennsylvania Ave. with "gay and lesbian" on it just seems like an offensive, token pretense of a gesture.
I won't be watching the event at all.
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:48 PM
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9. Why don't we wait and see what he does? |
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I mean through the levers of government, Justice Dept. especially. If he is really doing the Warren thing to "reach out" what will his actual policy be when it comes to carrying out the law and equal justice.
Now we're disappointed and mad. Let us see what his actions in government will be. I will be watching along with you...
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:49 PM
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10. Absolutely not. He knows how many voters he's pandering to by picking Warren |
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and how many he'll lose.
It's triangulation, red in tooth and claw.
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:19 PM
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Warren giving the invocation has nothing to do with policy so how is it triangulation?
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:42 PM
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21. I think of the selection of Warren |
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as being Obama's kick-off to the 2012 campaign.
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Wed Dec-24-08 07:58 PM
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:17 PM
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15. He damn well should, but I think he's thrown gays/progressive dems under the bus. |
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:31 PM
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19. Maybe Obama wants to lull the rightwing into complacency, |
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like we were with Clinton.
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Wed Dec-24-08 08:51 PM
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23. He has time to do the right thing...we shall see.nt |
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Wed Dec-24-08 09:05 PM
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24. He will not change his mind. |
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Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 09:06 PM by Blue_In_AK
I'm hopeful that he will be a good president, but seriously he must take steps to assure equal rights for all.
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Wed Dec-24-08 10:12 PM
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32. No, he will not change his mind |
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No, I don't believe he will pull off the presidency that ALL Americas deserve. W/his rightward appointments and now this blantant fuck you to millions of Americans, he is already losing loyalty and trust from many that once supported him.
The real question should be: Will he make as a good a republicon president as Clinton did?
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Wed Dec-24-08 10:22 PM
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34. You mean like Bush revoking the pardon? |
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Wed Dec-24-08 10:25 PM
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35. No, and he shouldn't. |
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Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 10:26 PM by dmesg
This is the "reaching out" he talked about. Warren is an awful man in a lot of ways, but better in most ways than Ahmadinajad, and we pretty much all want him to reach out to him.
He's asking for an opponent to pray for him. Maybe I'm a naive sentimental Christian, but I don't think any harm can ever come of having someone else pray for you.
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