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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 06:42 PM
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If Bush is impeached for pardons to protect himself, are the pardons voided?
By the constitution, impeachment is required, not optional, when a president uses pardons to protect himself from prosecution for crimes that he has committed.

If congress fails in its duty? It the MSM fails in its duty? If the justice department fails also?

Then lawbreaking is endorsed at the highest levels, and we should just open all the prisons and can all the policemen because we have given up on the rule of law? Any sane judge would have to rule such, and you can just toss those pesky jury summons?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 06:45 PM
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1. No
if so, every law an impeached and convicted president signed would be void. There is no "ex post facto" factor to an impeachment and conviction.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 06:50 PM
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3. That's correct.
The president's power to pardon is not something that can be revisited.

I DO hope, however, that Bush ends up in prison. Doubt it, though, no matter how well deserved.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 06:45 PM
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2. What specific
part of the Constitution are you refering to?
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 07:35 PM
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5. High crimes and misdemeanors -"shall be removed"
"Article II
Section 2

-and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Section 4 - Disqualification

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Was it not the intent of the framers to keep this elected official especially not above the law by allowing the crime of obstruction of justice to be defined as just such an offense?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 07:32 PM
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4. The Hague Does Not Accept Presidential Pardons
Send them to the Hague!
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