Tim Kaine?? Who TF is Tim Kaine? And, what is it he's going to bring to the DNC?

[thunder rising]

The only reason the DNC was as successful as it was (and hence, one PE Obama) is that Howard Dean was "my guy". He was the man that in 2003 stood boldly in front of the crowds and yelled "I'm Howard Dean and I'm here to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party." Remember this? Is Tim Kaine going to compete with and improve on that? Or, is he just another coattail riding southerner that did NOT stand up when he was needed?"


Don't get me wrong there is verifiable proof I've been with Obama since that cold day in Springfield. But somehow I think we are being sold something the ain't so 'fresh'.


A little disclaimer: I didn't produce that video and if the person that did wants credit I'll gladly give it. But that video captures the excitement that HD produced.

[David Ricardo]

1. Tim Kaine

Became a (D) governor in a historically red state. VA has an expanding economy and is growing well. Dean might be from the Northeast, but it was a 50 state strategy which included southern state (aka VA) which helped O win.

[thunder rising]

2. That's one non-answer ... who's next ... but welcome to DU

[Sebass1271]

3. a 50 state strategy created and planned by Howard Dean

[bigwillq]

5. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[joeybee12]

10. I can't tell if you're praising Dean or Kaine...

....I'm all for praising Dean.

[thunder rising]

20. Watch the video ... I've got an Orange ski cap that says "Iowa Perfect Storm"

I don't know Tim Kaine. Who is he to take the place of Dean and why has he not attempted to rope us in?

[Sebass1271]

13. When Obama won the primaries.. it was just too easy

for his people to come "home" to the DNC and be handed out a huuuuge database of new voters, smart voters, young voters with eagerness to implement Dean's mastermind.. Obama was lucky.

[thunder rising]

21. Absolutely. Ok Timmy ... let's see what you've got ... com'on.

[wyldwolf]

4. I can tell you've been paying attention for about 4 years or less

[Individualist]

6. He's a DLC member

[thunder rising]

7. Is Tim Kaine really DLC?

[wyldwolf]

8. yes

:)

[thunder rising]

12. Someone else want to answer that as well. It seems me and whoever answered didn't agree on something

in the past

[wyldwolf]

15. wjjks jrshsuj jfjdsusj sjsjhdkslls

:)

[Individualist]

14. He really is

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/4/16467/07961/248/680135

If you do a google search for Tim Kaine, DLC, you'll find numerous articles which make reference to his DLC membership.

:puke:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

26. Actually, more to the right than most DLCers, IMHO

[thunder rising]

27. Thanks ... Oh f!@#$B joy.

[Bluebear]

34. Anti-choice, horrible record on gay issues, socially conservative.

[thunder rising]

35. Allright ... anymore good news ... I'm about to break out in a song here.

[Bluebear]

42. Anti-union. Anti stem-cell research.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8057089&mesg_id=8057089

[thunder rising]

44. Tim Kaine is going corporate on us, isn't he? I feel it.

[Bluebear]

51. And with him the administration, perhaps?

[mitchtv]

48. besides signing the anti SS marriage/ anti civil union amendmnt

I know he is a Roman Catholic and I think he is anti sten=m cell research , too, He will complete the purge of pro gay influence in the party, started this election season

[thunder rising]

54. So, why do we call him a Democrat? Why are we not asking for better representation in the DNC?

[Bluebear]

55. The stories I read say "Obama taps Kaine", so I guess it's his choice.

[dflprincess]

66. In short - a Republican

The conversion of the Democratic party to the Republican-Lite Party is complete.

He also thinks he can consider this a part time job until his term as governor ends.

I hope Obama wakes up when the 2010 midterms go badly - though it might be too late - and figures out selling out the base might not have been the smartest move after all.

[Sebass1271]

9. DLC .. you know what that means.. Obama has completely

booted Dean. We should all forever be greateful to Dr. Dean.

[camera obscura]

11. Kaine will bring "Howard Dean's 50 state strategy on steroids"

The DNC will retain traditional responsibilities, like planning the convention and political research. But it will significantly expand its campaign organizing capacity and probably its staff; think of it as current DNC chairman Howard Dean's 50 state strategy on steroids.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/the_organizing_dnc.php

[thunder rising]

16. Watch that little video ... where was Timmy boy in '03 ... wetting his pants? waiting for HD to

clear the way? He better start doing something.

[wyldwolf]

19. lol. You really DID start paying attention four years ago or less.

[thunder rising]

43. And after all the discussion is looks like Dean's 50 state stratagy on crutches. Dead, no life

[Captain Hilts]

17. The Big Reason the DNC has been successful is...George W. Bush. nt

[Sebass1271]

22. Not enough.

Howard Dean had a lot to do with this.. He stood up against his own party.

[thunder rising]

23. Right ... which explains Kerry's success as well (troll above)

[wyldwolf]

25. Kerry lost in 2004. You are having difficulty with timelines in this thread

[know_your_enemy]

18. Gov. Kaine

Also stood up to the Department of the Navy when they planned to move a carrier down to Jacksonville, FL. He won the battle on the pretenses of the hurtful effects it would have on the economy to have 10,000+ sailors and personell leaving the Hampton Roads area.

I guess Obama realizes that the man has cajones and will stand up to Goliath no matter how small he may be.

On top of that he is one hell of an executive. I think he's done Virginia well.

[thunder rising]

24. Excuse me ... that means he can spend Fed tax dollars on a redundant Navy base.

[Captain Hilts]

28. Huh? Norfolk Naval Base? "Redundant?" Do you know what this word means?

[thunder rising]

30. Suppose I do .. I can spell it. JAX has a Navy base as well and combining bases is a good thing.

[Captain Hilts]

31. Except they'd have to spend $40m to build a pier to handle the carrier in Jax. nt

[thunder rising]

33. Somehow you think I give a shit. I'm sure all that was covered. VA is a red state for chists sake.

[Captain Hilts]

36. Your response has both vulgarity and profanity. Learn some 'big people' words!

[thunder rising]

41. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[onenote]

63. Virginia is a "red" state with two Democratic Senators and Democratic Governor

And which voted for Obama in November.

[Statistical]

38. Norfolk Naval Base is the largest naval facility in the world.

Norfolk Naval Base is the largest naval facility in the world.
Not the largest military base in the US.
Not the largest port in the US
Not the largest military base in the world BUT
the single largest naval facility in the world (even including Cold War Soviet assets).

Moving one carrier wouldn't change anything. It would be the largest Naval Base minus one carrier.

If we closed every single naval base in the United State except 1 on each coast Norfolk would be the remaining east coast base.

However moving the carrier would be massively expensive for taxpayers.
1) A new pier capable of handling a vessel that large would need to be built
2) There are only 2 locations that a carrier can refuel its reactor and neither are in FL meaning long maintenance cruises.
3) From a national security pov it makes no sense. The fleet in FL isn't large enough to support a carrier battle group. So the carrier would need to "link up" with the rest of it's support fleet out in the Atlantic Ocean?
4) Carrier refits are down across the bay in Newport news so every 5-6 years the ship would need to come back home to VA to have repair & refit done.

The only reason the carrier move was considered is Republicans wanted to move a national security asset to "redder" states as VA became more purple.
The largest pork project considered in the history of US politics, and done via the DOD by the Republicans.

I don't think Kaine is right for the DNC job but to considering the "carrier move" fiasco anything but a colossal waste of taxpayer money & manpower that would help NOBODY but FL Republicans is just being dishonest.

[thunder rising]

39. VA is (was) a red state. The families would have moved with the base (fact). 3. I don't care. What

did he do to stop the WAR. Stop the torture. Stop the spying.

[Statistical]

45. What?

You don't care that a carrier would have been moved at an asinine cost to taxpayers (when we are $10T debt)
would have INCREASED operating costs
would have INCREASED logistic costs
would have made NUCLEAR refueling a nightmare
would have LESSENED our national security

only so FL could gain a new "$5 Billion toy"?

Well in that case. :puke:

State First!

[thunder rising]

46. It was a local issue ... where was he on IRAQ? TORTURE? SPYING? ya'know? Hiding somewhere?

[know_your_enemy]

49. I guess he was hiding behind the interests of the STATE

which is what he was and is elected for.

He doesn't hold or hasn't ran for a federal office, I don't know if you've realized that yet or not.

[Statistical]

52. I already said Kaine is WRONG for DNC. I was just pointing out you were WRONG about the carrier

Honestly I have NO IDEA why Obama wants him?

I mean Kaine is good for VA. A far left candidate would simply lose in VA. No chance in hell of winning.
Some Kaine is good in the sense that he was right leaning enough to be elected.

It is better have a right leaning Dem gov than a extreme (off the chart) right leaning Rep gov? Right?

As far a chairman to represent the entire DNC. I don't see it.

[thunder rising]

56. We're good ... thanks. I didn't get that.

[know_your_enemy]

57. Maybe Obama Simply Wants Equilibrium

Choosing the old warts from the Clinton era, sprinkle some conservatives in the cabinet, throw some progressives around and put a moderate in charge of the party so it doesn't go POLARIZE the nation like the last president did.

I for one agree with his decision. Tim Kaine is a very reasonable man fiscally, could use a lot of work socially but he has drug Virginia out of the pits to be one of the best states in the nation. In all honesty the only thing I hate about this place is the weather.

[thunder rising]

59. Please understand the DNC ... IS A PARTISAN POSITiON. It defines who we are.

Tim Kaine is a very reasonable man fiscally ... great put him charge of a budget. But for the DNC, I want Mother Theresa with the fortitude of Richard Marcinko (seal team 6). I want a Democrat!

[know_your_enemy]

60. Well You Are Getting A Democrat.

Mr. Obama is putting him there because he feels that Kaine best fits the direction the party needs to take. If he wanted the DNC to be more progressive, I'm very sure that he would have acted accordingly.

Then again who is the Democratic Party?

Is it the auto worker in Detroit?
Is it the Farmer in Tennessee?
Is it the Vintor in California?
Is it the Poet in Oregon?
Is it and unemployed man in Ohio?
Is it a GLBT activist in New York?

It certainly isn't Only YOU and people like you that determine these things. You have to think about the others out there that may disagree with you.

Isn't our whole creedo tolerance for all?

I'm sure our agenda will be ground through the senate, and I think Kaine will be a stabilizing factor in our party, and it will cause the conservatives to rethink getting their asses back to middle ground.

Just my two cents.

[alarimer]

61. If that's the direction he wants, then he (and ALL dems) have lost my vote forever.

How many anti-choice DINOS is he going to send money to? I guess the grassroots will have to mount primary challengers everywhere now that the DINO wing has taken control of the DNC.

[know_your_enemy]

62. So I Take It You Are For

A Sectarian society whose grudges will run deeper for 4-8 more years? The polarity of our political scene is at a point of no return. It's coming to the point where either one side will have to give up or fight, and knowing the tendencies of our red voters across the nation, I think they will do the latter. Violently.

Obama sees this and he is putting someone both sides can identify with. Kaine speaks with clarity about issues and will be up front with the people.

If he gets out of line, then he will be cut down like anyone else.

It's a bit too soon for the United States to achieve the worker's utopia we all dream of. Let's lick our wounds and make amends with each other and gain a freaking moment of clarity for the sake of all of us.

[onenote]

65. go right ahead.mount them away

I'm sure you would've preferred Harris Miller over Jim Webb. But guess what? In the primary, Webb beat Miller. And its a damn good thing too, because there is no chance in the world that Harris Miller would've beaten George Allen.

If a primary challenge produces a progressive candidate who can win, I'm all for it. But I'm grounded in reality enough to realize that the type of candidate who can win in some parts of the country has no chance in other parts.

[thunder rising]

50. "I'm Howard Dean, and I'm here to represent the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party"

vs. "There's a better way"

Web had a great response.

[Sparkly]

29. A good friend of Obama's, iirc. nt

[thunder rising]

32. I think this is the winner! I hope we're not getting into another crony situation. DNC is important

It's not a "cuppy doll"(sp?) to be handed out to somebody's nephew.

[SoCalDem]

37. Mr. Excitement with a kitchen step-stool haircut

watching him speak, is like...like.like..

watching latex paint dry:yawn:

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[thunder rising]

40. I think I remember his response to the State of the Union ... "There's a better way" flop

[librechik]

47. Overprivileged stuffed shirt with no real connection to ordinary Americans

why????????????????????????


9/11 !Non! investigation enabler

[LeftyMom]

53. He's a homophobic douchenozzle.

And anti-choice too.

[thunder rising]

58. He's from Va ... I'd have guessed that :-)

[Fearless]

64. You're not stereotyping at all.

[Pastiche423]

67. I think I finally know what Obama meant by CHANGE

He's changing all of the good Dems w/repubics wearing donkey jackets. (Thank you Rev. Sharpton).