my gut tells me that bushco will blink on the subpoenas

[still_one]

Not because he wants to, but because the repugs will force him to. They are afriad if it goes to the Supreme Court, and they lose, the Democratic president in 2008 will then have the same powers bush has

As they say what comes around, goes around

[C_U_L8R]

1. Can't wait to hear their excuses

should be some whoppers

[Disturbed]

4. Busholini will not back down.

This issue will go to the Courts and drag on for several years until Busholini has moved to Paraguay.

[still_one]

9. I don't think so, they already blew it

They cannot declare executive privledge since they already said they would meet behind closed doors, not under oath

This has nothing to do with any security issues, and is solely focused on obstruction of justice

The repukes do NOT want this ruled on by the Supreme Court

We will know shortly

[hang a left]

14. Actually I think it will be quick.

They got in front of the SC on a constitutional issue very fast in 2000. There will be a constitutional emergency and we will get there fast.

Even with Alito and Roberts on the court, I doubt that they will win. It is pretty clear cut.

[chelsea0011]

2. No way. He will take this to the SJC and get them to side with him

[thereismore]

3. they will cave in when Kyle Sampson tells his story next Th. nt

[emulatorloo]

6. Can't wait to hear Sampson's testimony -- sounds like he knows quite a bit EOM

[EST]

5. Think so? I don't and here's why-

Bush never tells the truth so the chance that this is all an innocent political move is vanishingly small. If he bows to subpoenas, there is little doubt some very important people are going to wind up in jail.
I expect a battle to the death because KKKarl rove would not fare well in prison.

[kimmerspixelated]

13. I think he would find some new butt buddies there in prison.

Make him Sqeeeeeel like the pig he really is!!!

[still_one]

21. I agree bush never tells the truth, but this is not about him anymore

in addition, so they put rove and others under oath, all they have to do is say they don't remember

Frankly, I think it would be very interesting if this got to the Supreme Court, but I also think they are shaking in their boots, because the court is still 5 to 4 slightly in our favor

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

7. They'll blink only if they are squeaky clean on this

If anything of a criminal nature is revealed in either the documents or testimony following the subpoenas, then I think the floodgates will open and no one will tolerate Bush opposing subpoenas on anything else. Chimp hunting season will be officially open.

And since I don't think this bunch in the White House can even take a leak without breaking the law somehow, I'm pretty sure that wrongdoing will be revealed if their go under oath and testify, and I think they're making their final stand now because they frankly have no choice.

I also don't think that Bush cares about the state of the Republican Party after he's gone. I think he's destroyed his own party, as well as virtually everything else around him. Bush thinks he is a political party of one.

[helderheid]

8. SCOTUS is stacked - why would he blink?

[renate]

11. maybe I'm just being naive, but...

... maybe they're concerned about their legacy?

Three of them are directly responsible for this clown being in the White House. Their decision was pretty much unanimously declared to be a legal abomination and a smear on the judicial system. Could this be their chance to redeem themselves and, by a happy coincidence, do the legally correct thing?

Getting rid of this administration prematurely is the only way (except for those pesky voting machines) of making it even remotely possible for a Republican to get elected in 2008. So it serves that purpose of theirs, too.

[helderheid]

12. I soooo hope you're right!!

[sendero]

27. At some level..

.... the SCOTUS is going to try to follow the law. After all, this is right on their territory - how much power over the judiciary does the executive branch have?

It is not a slam-dunk win for Bush if this gets to the SCOTUS.


Now, I heard a talking head this morning claim that this could be killed outright by the same level of court that Bush was firing folks in.

If that is true, then Bush has a chance.

[hang a left]

16. Seperations of powers is pretty cut and dried and spelled out

without ambiguity in the Constitution. I don't know how they could with out facing impeachment themselves.

[still_one]

22. One more justice and it is definitely stacked, right now I see it as 5 to 4

slightly in our favor

[Warpy]

10. Stupid doesn't listen to anyone but Cheney and Rove

so don't bet on it. My gut tells me he'll try to pull that time honored act of having the Secret Service forbidden to accept the subpoenas. They've done it before.

However, refusing subpoenas from Congress isn't the same as refusing civil lawsuit subpoenas, so it'll be fascinating to see what happens.

[Balbus]

15. Because he's blinked on everything else before this?

[Crabby Appleton]

17. My gut tells me the WH won't blink, will challenge in court.

[rasputin1952]

18. There is precedence in the USSC decisions where people have

been called to account for contempt of congress for refusing subpoena.

The problem is, once decided, and if in favor of congress, what do you do to compel the individuals to appear?

Some 70 years ago, US Marshals were dispatched and forced the appearance of some politico...(caveat, can't recall the name/charge), but w/bush in charge of the Federal Marshals, how could they "arrest/compel" these people to appear?

This could actually cause a Constitutional crisis, if taken to the line bush might be willing to go.

However...I do believe that the American people want this to take place, regardless of party. It goes back to the old saw, "if you have nothing to hide, why won't you take an oath?". Americans actually are pretty forgiving to those who own up to past/present situations if they are upfront with the situation. This whole thing will make R's look like they have everything to hide because of extensive misdeeds. It would put the GOP back 50 years, and the powers that are behind the curtain know this. bush pulled a poor choice when he drew this line in the sand, he should feel some pretty serious heat because he is The Decider, and his decisions are spectacularly inappropriate.

[cassiepriam]

19. How are the repugs going to force him? Bush doesn't take direction well.

[still_one]

23. I agree he is a bull, my appologizes to bulls, but the pukes are scared of 2008 I think

[cassiepriam]

24. I agree they are scared, but what can they do about Bush? Not much.

[still_one]

26. Interesting, I doubt the republicans would go along with impeachment

[cassiepriam]

29. LOL But who knows? If Bush continues they just might!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

20. I don't follow your reasoning at all.

If it goes to the supreme court, they will most likely lose, but it's not going to be any sort of earth-shattering precedent.

As for the President in 2008 having the same powers Bush has, he/she will have them, unless Congress strips them. It's got nothing to do with whether or not Rove, etc. are compelled to appear before the Senate.

[still_one]

25. Good point, I was not thinking properly, you are right they would probably lose

if it went to the Supreme Court

[Jacobin]

28. Its all about stalling for time

[opihimoimoi]

31. AKA stalling for 1., a lucky break: 2, an Excuse., 3,. a Major Distraction, 4,. Dems Effen up. 5,

5., Gathering Courage to RESIGN en masse

6., a bailout by Pub Masters and/or Rove Solutions R US

7., God to Intervene(see #1)

8., In Delusion that they can weather the STORM....refuse to donn lifevests even....

[Jacobin]

33. only less than two years to go and he's retired

courts can be slow

[opihimoimoi]

35. KHRAMA can be TORTURE TOO......Slow death of his Legacy

and his GOP Party

[Individualist]

30. I disagree

I do agree with John Dean's take on the situation: "He will not let Fielding strike a deal, as Fielding did for Reagan. Rather, Bush feels that he has his manhood on the line."
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x479230

[NewJeffCT]

32. I wouldn't be surprised since Bush is a coward at heart

He has not been really pushed yet on much of anything these past 7-8 years.

[EstimatedProphet]

34. I think you're right

Gut feeling about his 'personality'. He's all bluster. The more weak his position is, the more bullying and loud he gets. I think when he realizes his bluff has been called, he'll fold up like a tent with no supports.